Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

He doesn't care now.  Until he does...again.  

I don't care because you turned it in to a stupid argument.

For me it was never about which side had more extreme takes, it was simply to prove that all the whiners were just that....whiners.

All the belly aching every day and no real solutions to fix their perceived problem.

So, you guys can go back to your crying now.

2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I may be wrong, overall I think most want an upgrade at the Position, most would want an elite QB, the problem is availability.  So the main point, most see Hurts as a below avg QB with little chance of becoming a really good QB.

 

Most of us are still willing to see how high his lid is.

Even more so because there aren't really any other (realistic) alternatives that are guaranteed upgrades.

Some of us just choose not to whine about it every day.

35 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Why don't you believe that? I've seen a few Bengals games, and their o-line isn't all that good, honestly. 

I watch them quite a bit also for fantasy football purposes, they are probably in the 20-25 range.

Our rooting interests this weekend for draft positioning (based on a quick look at records):

Broncos to beat Chiefs

Jags beat Colts

Vikings over Bears

Ravens over Steelers

Browns over Bengals

49ers over Rams

Patriots over Dolphins

Falcons/Saints I'm not sure

 

2 hours ago, The Blackfish said:

 O’Brien over Caldwell or Pederson?  Not that it matters with Khan keeping Baalke but he can’t be stupid enough to think those two could get along.  

Keeping Baalke ensured they were going to make a stupid decision.  Trevor Lawrence should be trying to leave town now.  

1 hour ago, Desertbirds said:

Well, in recent posts Afan has opined that the Eagles lack talent on offense and on defense.

Perhaps he will admit that the Eagles lack talent at GM.

Nah.

Howie should be given credit for his decisions in 2021 to help fix the mess he created from 2017 to 2020. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I know a team who has the ammo to trade for him.  

I can't believe Khan would be that stupid except for all of the other stupid decisions he has made.  

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

And almost all of the regulars in here acknowledge the fact that it's not a sound move to go after Wilson, Watson or Rodgers.

I think people confuse that we would love to have them over whether or not it is a sound move.  Depending on the compensation, they would all be a massive upgrade over Hurts.

Currently, the Eagles are a wild card team, and the Packers are the #1 seed in the NFL, and without even trying should beat the Lions and be 14-3.

Defensively, Eagles and Packers have given up the same 334 points, Eagles give up 4 less yards per game.  

Sure, the capital to get Rodgers may be an issue, but as the team is currently constructed, Aaron Rodgers would give this team a legitimate shot to win a Super Bowl.  We have a superior offensive line, a run game, Goedert is a better TE.

9 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Howie should be given credit for his decisions in 2021 to help fix the mess he created from 2017 to 2020. 

I do not give him much credit.  Everyone talked about the 73 million in cap space we will have in 2022 at the start of this offseason.  With all of the restructuring here is the future cap impact.

2022 - had 73 million in cap space, now have 14.1 million ( plus 24.6 in rollover ).  

2023 - had 136 million in cap space, now have 50.7 million

2024 - had 207.5 million, now have 91.7 million.

That is a negative 261 million in cap space over 3 years.  Yes, we extended some players, and signed some rookies, but that is not 261 million worth of talent.  And sure, that 50.7 million looks good in 2023, but that is with 31 players under contract.  And who knows how much of that will be wasted on dead cap and any additional restructures for the aging veterans on the roster.

Eagles rank 22nd in 2022 cap space, 30th in 2023 cap space, 32nd in 2024 cap space.

If the Eagles had not made a cap mess, and actually have a successful draft, they may have been in a position to add a premier FA in 2023 to put them over the top.  All just my opinion obviously, but he has extended the mess, he has not fixed it in the slightest.

14 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

So would Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes.  And neither one of those is coming here either.  So it's useless to even consider it.  

Rodgers, Wilson and Watson are legitimate options.  Rodgers seems to be softening his stance on leaving, but I am sure he could be had.  I live in the Pacific Northwest, and all the local talking heads are convinced this is it for Wilson in Seattle, and Watson, no one knows what his situation is.  

Personally, and I know you do not like him, but if Picket was available without a trade up, I would be all over him.

11 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I think people confuse that we would love to have them over whether or not it is a sound move.  Depending on the compensation, they would all be a massive upgrade over Hurts.

Currently, the Eagles are a wild card team, and the Packers are the #1 seed in the NFL, and without even trying should beat the Lions and be 14-3.

Defensively, Eagles and Packers have given up the same 334 points, Eagles give up 4 less yards per game.  

Sure, the capital to get Rodgers may be an issue, but as the team is currently constructed, Aaron Rodgers would give this team a legitimate shot to win a Super Bowl.  We have a superior offensive line, a run game, Goedert is a better TE.

I don't think Rodgers will want to come to the Eagles even if he's available.  I am not convinced the Packers will move on from Rodgers.  I think a lot of it depends on how this season plays out. If the Packers win it all, I think Rodgers stays and the Packers trade Love.  If they lose in the Super Bowl, I think Rodgers is still likely to stay in GB.  If they lose in the Championship game or before that again, I think he gets traded.  Maybe Rodgers will look at the Eagles as a good landing spot if he wants to win.  I think he's likely to end up in the AFC in either Denver or Miami. It's possible if he wants to win it all, that he would think the NFC East is a better landing spot for him.  I would have to think the Packers wouldn't want to trade him inside the NFC.  

13 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I think I just found a timewarp of about a decade.   Didn't we already have this conversation back in about 2012?  Maybe it was earlier than that.

I think we need to redefine 'mobile' again too.

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't think Rodgers will want to come to the Eagles even if he's available.  I am not convinced the Packers will move on from Rodgers.  I think a lot of it depends on how this season plays out. If the Packers win it all, I think Rodgers stays and the Packers trade Love.  If they lose in the Super Bowl, I think Rodgers is still likely to stay in GB.  If they lose in the Championship game or before that again, I think he gets traded.  Maybe Rodgers will look at the Eagles as a good landing spot if he wants to win.  I think he's likely to end up in the AFC in either Denver or Miami. It's possible if he wants to win it all, that he would think the NFC East is a better landing spot for him.  I would have to think the Packers wouldn't want to trade him inside the NFC.  

Not talking about what Rodgers wants, this is the elite QB v rolling with Hurts discussion.  It is quite clear this team could win several playoff games with an elite QB, and Rodgers is the perfect example as we have the same defense statistically.

44 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I want a house on the beach....and all of my loans paid off.  But I know that's not gonna happen.  That's not the discussion.  It's either/or right now.  And almost all of the regulars in here acknowledge the fact that it's not a sound move to go after Wilson, Watson or Rodgers.  Not sure what other "elite" QB's would even be in the discussion.  Which is why it's a silly discussion in the first place.  

 

We're in an unenviable spot.  

where we differ,. 

 Rodger and Wilson will be playing somewhere next year.  SO it's not 100% out of the realm of possibility

36 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Howie should be given credit for his decisions in 2021 to help fix the mess he created from 2017 to 2020. 

Sure, of he has indeed fixed things.  That is debatable, but getting credit for fixing mistakes is normal.  

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I do not give him much credit.  Everyone talked about the 73 million in cap space we will have in 2022 at the start of this offseason.  With all of the restructuring here is the future cap impact.

2022 - had 73 million in cap space, now have 14.1 million ( plus 24.6 in rollover ).  

2023 - had 136 million in cap space, now have 50.7 million

2024 - had 207.5 million, now have 91.7 million.

That is a negative 261 million in cap space over 3 years.  Yes, we extended some players, and signed some rookies, but that is not 261 million worth of talent.  And sure, that 50.7 million looks good in 2023, but that is with 31 players under contract.  And who knows how much of that will be wasted on dead cap and any additional restructures for the aging veterans on the roster.

Eagles rank 22nd in 2022 cap space, 30th in 2023 cap space, 32nd in 2024 cap space.

If the Eagles had not made a cap mess, and actually have a successful draft, they may have been in a position to add a premier FA in 2023 to put them over the top.  All just my opinion obviously, but he has extended the mess, he has not fixed it in the slightest.

You get so bent out of shape about the cap all the time, but unless you are talking about 2022, it really doesn't mean much.

You are not taking into account the $100 billion broadcasting deals that take effect in 2023. You are also not taking into account the deals that the NFL has made with gambling organizations as well. Each one of those things are going to blow the cap up tremendously. Howie is obviously hedging his bets against all of this, which is why dead money is going into future years. Is it a risk? Yes, but it is risk that actually has very little consequence to it. The worst thing that could ever happened, happened in 2020 and the Eagles were able to wade through it.

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Especially don't want Wilson.  I don't like his face.  

7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Rodgers will be playing in GB.  Please.  

Wilson's wife has already listed her demands.  And she leads that twink around by his collar.  Philly isn't happening.  

 

I don't want either one anyway.  Especially don't want Wilson.  I don't like his face.  

Agreed, they ain't coming here, though I like Wilson.  

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Man.  This is getting good.  
 

 

Talk radio down here is going berserk. 

14 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Not talking about what Rodgers wants, this is the elite QB v rolling with Hurts discussion.  It is quite clear this team could win several playoff games with an elite QB, and Rodgers is the perfect example as we have the same defense statistically.

Well sure this team would be better with an elite QB.  People differ on whether Hurts may be that QB.  I don't think anyone is credibly arguing he's currently an elite QB.  

3 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

You are not taking into account the $100 billion broadcasting deals that take effect in 2023.

People keep bringing this up, but these future numbers are based on the projected cap with those deals.

When we discussed 2022 earlier in the season, people kept talking about "the cap is going up massively", even though these discussions were based on the projected cap of 208.1 million, which is exactly what it will be.  2023 discussion is based on the projected cap of 225 million, 2024 discussion is based on the projected cap of 256 million.  These numbers may fluctuate a few million dollars, but this discussion is all based on very accurate numbers.

And, regardless of what the final cap number ends up being, the Eagles still currently rank 22nd in 2022 cap space, 30th in 2023 cap space, 32nd in 2024 cap space.

If you are going to jump into this discussion, at least understand what the point you are trying to make actually means.

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Man.  This is getting good.  
 

 

I will forever love AB if he can ruin Tampa Bay this season.  

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Where are you?

Sarasota

27 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I do not give him much credit.  Everyone talked about the 73 million in cap space we will have in 2022 at the start of this offseason.  With all of the restructuring here is the future cap impact.

2022 - had 73 million in cap space, now have 14.1 million ( plus 24.6 in rollover ).  

2023 - had 136 million in cap space, now have 50.7 million

2024 - had 207.5 million, now have 91.7 million.

That is a negative 261 million in cap space over 3 years.  Yes, we extended some players, and signed some rookies, but that is not 261 million worth of talent.  And sure, that 50.7 million looks good in 2023, but that is with 31 players under contract.  And who knows how much of that will be wasted on dead cap and any additional restructures for the aging veterans on the roster.

Eagles rank 22nd in 2022 cap space, 30th in 2023 cap space, 32nd in 2024 cap space.

If the Eagles had not made a cap mess, and actually have a successful draft, they may have been in a position to add a premier FA in 2023 to put them over the top.  All just my opinion obviously, but he has extended the mess, he has not fixed it in the slightest.

But what if Howie lands Rodgers in the offseason???? I meant the post as a joke but it sounded funnier in my head.  

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

People keep bringing this up, but these future numbers are based on the projected cap with those deals.

When we discussed 2022 earlier in the season, people kept talking about "the cap is going up massively", even though these discussions were based on the projected cap of 208.1 million, which is exactly what it will be.  2023 discussion is based on the projected cap of 225 million, 2024 discussion is based on the projected cap of 256 million.  These numbers may fluctuate a few million dollars, but this discussion is all based on very accurate numbers.

And, regardless of what the final cap number ends up being, the Eagles still currently rank 22nd in 2022 cap space, 30th in 2023 cap space, 32nd in 2024 cap space.

If you are going to jump into this discussion, at least understand what the point you are trying to make actually means.

A helluva lot can change between now and 2023, nevermind 2024. And if we have $91 million in cap space, and are 32nd, that just, doesn't even seem right. I assume that your projections don't take into account teams signing players? Because Burrow, Herbert, et al will sign massive deals which will affect things. For all the doom you project with the cap, it really doesn't seem to affect us all that much.