2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

 

That means absolutely nothing. No two knees are the same and you know that. We literally know nothing about Strong's knee.

28 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

It is flat out false.

 

How so?  Who has been attracted here as a better player since McNabb getting TO here than Hurts getting AJ Brown here?  

43 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

It begs the question, why wasn’t he drafted if he’ll be 100% by camp?

i heard he was kind of a dick in his interviews, (called out Zack Wilson) during his interview with the Jets etc.

9 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

For reference, Myles Jack had an OCD lesion in his knee. He missed the remainder of the college season with it in 2015. He was not able to do any workouts. It dropped him from a sure top 10, to round 2. An "NFL source" called his knee a timebomb. 

He played his rookie contract, and got a 4 year 57 million dollar extension in 2019. He plays one of the most physical positions and is going on year 7. 

Carson Strong had this injury. He had a surgery. Teams actually got to see him play after the surgery. And work out during the pre-draft process. He went undrafted. Who the heck knows?

 

But he was still drafted with a premium pick despite not playing a premium position. 

If Strong were as good as many believe, I find it impossible to believe a team wouldn’t have rolled the dice in the draft to ensure they had him on the roster. QB is just too valuable, even if the knee is bad enough that he might only be able to cap out as a backup who can play well in spot duty. 

It’s all just a long-winded way of saying I don’t think NFL teams thought he was that good of a prospect to begin with. 

With that out of the way, I’m happy as well we signed him. I’d be happy if all he turned out to be was a good backup. 

2 minutes ago, DoWorx said:

i heard he was kind of a dick in his interviews, (called out Zack Wilson) during his interview with the Jets etc.

He called out Wilson? Got a link?

There is an article from 2021 that studied NBA player performance when returning from an OCD lesion of the ankle. Not a knee, but same injury. I would say every position in the NBA is more demanding than playing QB. 

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/2325967120970205

After arthroscopic debridement of an OLT without drilling or microfracture, there was a high rate of return to the NBA, with improved points scored, assists, and steals made after surgery when compared with preoperative performance. There was no statistically significant change in any performance factors when compared with uninjured matched controls. Lesion size did not affect player career length. These data should be used to manage patients’ and teams’ expectations regarding players’ ability to return to elite levels of athletic performance after surgery of an OLT.

 

8 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

How so?  Who has been attracted here as a better player since McNabb getting TO here than Hurts getting AJ Brown here?  

Nick Foles, the guy who won a Super Bowl.

Brandon Brooks, Malcom Jenkins.

As expected, Dillard's 5th year option wasn't picked up.  I really hope the Eagles are doing everything they can to see if he can be the RG.  Not only would it be nice to see him contribute, but if he is now a RG, his 2nd contract is going to be a lot less than if he was getting starting LT money.  

4 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

How so?  Who has been attracted here as a better player since McNabb getting TO here than Hurts getting AJ Brown here?  

How soon things change and how quickly memories are wiped clean of the past.

https://insidetheiggles.com/2017/03/10/alshon-jeffery-im-excited-play-carson-wentz/

https://www.espn.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/20274/carson-wentz-making-eagles-an-attractive-destination-for-free-agent-wide-receivers

 

BTW... did McNabb bring TO here?  Or did the team finally realize that they needed to bring in a WR?

 

But hey, even if he did.  Seems BOTH the TO/McNabb and the Jeffery/Wentz connections worked for one year and then the situation turned very sour, very fast.  So, this may not be the positive you are presenting it to be.

Just now, bpac55 said:

As expected, Dillard's 5th year option wasn't picked up.  I really hope the Eagles are doing everything they can to see if he can be the RG.  Not only would it be nice to see him contribute, but if he is now a RG, his 2nd contract is going to be a lot less than if he was getting starting LT money.  

Back to back 1sts.  LT that is becoming a guard. WR that may be 5th in the depth chart.  

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

But he was still drafted with a premium pick despite not playing a premium position. 

If Strong were as good as many believe, I find it impossible to believe a team wouldn’t have rolled the dice in the draft to ensure they had him on the roster. QB is just too valuable, even if the knee is bad enough that he might only be able to cap out as a backup who can play well in spot duty. 

It’s all just a long-winded way of saying I don’t think NFL teams thought he was that good of a prospect to begin with. 

With that out of the way, I’m happy as well we signed him. I’d be happy if all he turned out to be was a good backup. 

 

I agree. Thats the weird thing. There was major panic over his knee pre-draft. I still remember it because I had hope the eagles might actually get him then. 

Though back then LB was viewed as more important than it is today. But QB is still QB. Always the #1 position. And for some reason no one wanted to take a chance on an excellent QB. But the LB only fell to round 2. 

Doesnt make sense. Thats why I said, who knows?

 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

How soon things change and how quickly memories are wiped clean of the past.

https://insidetheiggles.com/2017/03/10/alshon-jeffery-im-excited-play-carson-wentz/

https://www.espn.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/20274/carson-wentz-making-eagles-an-attractive-destination-for-free-agent-wide-receivers

 

BTW... did McNabb bring TO here?  Or did the team finally realize that they needed to bring in a WR?

 

But hey, even if he did.  Seems BOTH the TO/McNabb and the Jeffery/Wentz connections worked for one year and then the situation turned very sour, very fast.  So, this may not be the positive you are presenting it to be.

Especially if Hurts does not take the next step and they find his replacement.  How is his buddy who struggles with depression going to react ??

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

If Strong were as good as many believe, I find it impossible to believe a team wouldn’t have rolled the dice in the draft to ensure they had him on the roster. QB is just too valuable, even if the knee is bad enough that he might only be able to cap out as a backup who can play well in spot duty. 

 

Generally, I agree, but the entire QB class didn't go as expected.

Sadly, the best value may have been Howell to the Redskins.  When he was surrounded by talent at UNC in 2020 he was a top QB.  Now he has Terry McLaurin, Curtis Samuel, Dyami Brown, Jahan Dotson as his top 4 WR plus Logan Thomas and Cole Turner at TE.  That's a ridiculous top 6 targets to throw to.  He also has Antonio Gibson and Brian Robinson at RB.  Robinson and Turner should contribute a lot as rookies.  Watch the Carson Strong highlights and what pops out is how good Cole Turner is.

Man, that's a scary offense.  Even Cam Sims and Antonio Gandy-Golden as WR5/WR6 have serious potential. 

Even with the addition of AJ Brown and DeVonta Smith, the Eagles don't come close to the depth of that offense.  Wentz has no excuse this year.

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Especially if Hurts does not take the next step and they find his replacement.  How is his buddy who struggles with depression going to react ??

I think thats a legit concern based on the most probable outcome. But wrs want a qb that can get them the ball and win games

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

How soon things change and how quickly memories are wiped clean of the past.

https://insidetheiggles.com/2017/03/10/alshon-jeffery-im-excited-play-carson-wentz/

https://www.espn.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/20274/carson-wentz-making-eagles-an-attractive-destination-for-free-agent-wide-receivers

 

BTW... did McNabb bring TO here?  Or did the team finally realize that they needed to bring in a WR?

 

But hey, even if he did.  Seems BOTH the TO/McNabb and the Jeffery/Wentz connections worked for one year and then the situation turned very sour, very fast.  So, this may not be the positive you are presenting it to be.

 

 

AJ Brown is a much better WR than Alshon Jeffery was by the time he got here.  

 

And yeah McNabb did get here.  TO was dead set on getting to Philadelphia.  He wanted to play here and wanted to play with McNabb who he hit it off with at a prior Pro Bowl.  TO took the league to court to win in arbitration his right to go to where he wanted.  

 

 

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Back to back 1sts.  LT that is becoming a guard. WR that may be 5th in the depth chart.  

painful.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Generally, I agree, but the entire QB class didn't go as expected.

Sadly, the best value may have been Howell to the Redskins.  When he was surrounded by talent at UNC in 2020 he was a top QB.  Now he has Terry McLaurin, Curtis Samuel, Dyami Brown, Jahan Dotson as his top 4 WR plus Logan Thomas and Cole Turner at TE.  That's a ridiculous top 6 targets to throw to.  He also has Antonio Gibson and Brian Robinson at RB.  Robinson and Turner should contribute a lot as rookies.  Watch the Carson Strong highlights and what pops out is how good Cole Turner is.

Man, that's a scary offense.  Even Cam Sims and Antonio Gandy-Golden as WR5/WR6 have serious potential. 

Even with the addition of AJ Brown and DeVonta Smith, the Eagles don't come close to the depth of that offense.  Wentz has no excuse this year.

What are you,  some kind of Wentz and Redskins apologist

Here is what I think is a somewhat realistic path to Strong starting.

At rookie camp, impress coaches with mobility, and arm talent. Make them start to think they uncovered a gem.

In pre-season have a good grasp of a large portion of the offense. Play well. Earn QB3.

Continue showing that natural talent all year in practice. Make the staff feel comfortable with a Minshew trade by the deadline. Someone will be looking. Now QB2.

Wait for a Hurts injury. As a running QB he will be due. Take that opportunity to shine. 

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Generally, I agree, but the entire QB class didn't go as expected.

Sadly, the best value may have been Howell to the Redskins.  When he was surrounded by talent at UNC in 2020 he was a top QB.  Now he has Terry McLaurin, Curtis Samuel, Dyami Brown, Jahan Dotson as his top 4 WR plus Logan Thomas and Cole Turner at TE.  That's a ridiculous top 6 targets to throw to.  He also has Antonio Gibson and Brian Robinson at RB.  Robinson and Turner should contribute a lot as rookies.  Watch the Carson Strong highlights and what pops out is how good Cole Turner is.

Man, that's a scary offense.  Even Cam Sims and Antonio Gandy-Golden as WR5/WR6 have serious potential. 

Even with the addition of AJ Brown and DeVonta Smith, the Eagles don't come close to the depth of that offense.  Wentz has no excuse this year.

I like Terry but the rest don’t wow me (TBD on Dotson at next level). I do think that Turner will be a good player though. He stood out on every Strong highlight video.

3 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

I like Terry but the rest don’t wow me (TBD on Dotson at next level). I do think that Turner will be a good player though. He stood out on every Strong highlight video.

If Samuel is healthy and can be the player he was in Carolina then they have a Deebo light who can catch and run the ball.  Important to note that Dyami Brown was Howell's #1 target in 2020.  I think that familiarity can go a long way.  You're right, TBD about Dotson but he has a great skillset despite his size.  I think they've done a very good job building that roster.

11 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

AJ Brown is a much better WR than Alshon Jeffery was by the time he got here.  

And yeah McNabb did get here.  TO was dead set on getting to Philadelphia.  He wanted to play here and wanted to play with McNabb who he hit it off with at a prior Pro Bowl.  TO took the league to court to win in arbitration his right to go to where he wanted.  

Try again.

Check Jeffery's first three years compared to Brown's... very comparable.   Jeffery's next two years were injury plagued.  Every one of Brown's has been injury plagued.  Jeffery's first 5 years, he averaged missing 4.8 starts per year.  Brown's first 3 years, he's averaging 4.3 starts missed per year.    Do we know that Brown isn't going to follow his injury trend?  He's missed a lot of games every year.  What makes us so sure he won't miss extra games this year?

 

So, like I said... it's happened more recently than you want to remember.   Get your facts straight. 

3 hours ago, bitbased said:

I had the same thing. I mowed/weedwhacked them, sprayed them so it went to the roots and killed everything. Unfortunately now a bunch of weeds grows where they were so I need to till everything up and probably just fill it in with rocks.

I think you have to pull them out by hand because they can propagate from leaves. It’s a pain.  We put in some shrubs and mulched over it.

10 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Here is what I think is a somewhat realistic path to Strong starting.

At rookie camp, impress coaches with mobility, and arm talent. Make them start to think they uncovered a gem.

In pre-season have a good grasp of a large portion of the offense. Play well. Earn QB3.

Continue showing that natural talent all year in practice. Make the staff feel comfortable with a Minshew trade by the deadline. Someone will be looking. Now QB2.

Wait for a Hurts injury. As a running QB he will be due. Take that opportunity to shine. 

He became the starter his RS freshman year after starting 7th on the depth chart as a freshman by playing scout team so well that true freshman year.   It's possible.  

3 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

I've seen interviews with both Howie & AJ and while AJ is happy to be playing with Hurts he didn't accept the trade because of Hurts he accepted it because of the contract.

You mean he wouldn't have come here for the same contract that the Titans offered?  You mean he wouldn't have signed here for the same contract that he announced he would have accepted from the Titans to stay there?  ($22M/year there vs the $25M/year he's getting here)

 

In other words, it cost the Eagles MORE to bring him in (plus the draft picks to acquire him) than he would have signed for with the Titans.  Did Hurts bring him here?  Sure.  The $25M/year wasn't a factor at all.    

From an alleged anonymous scout. 

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Try again.

Check Jeffery's first three years compared to Brown's... very comparable.   Jeffery's next two years were injury plagued.  Every one of Brown's has been injury plagued.  Jeffery's first 5 years, he averaged missing 4.8 starts per year.  Brown's first 3 years, he's averaging 4.3 starts missed per year.    Do we know that Brown isn't going to follow his injury trend?  He's missed a lot of games every year.  What makes us so sure he won't miss extra games this year?

 

So, like I said... it's happened more recently than you want to remember.   Get your facts straight. 

 

Try again.  Seriously, try to read my post again.  Especially the part that you bolded.  "AJ Brown is a much better WR than Alshon Jeffery was by the time he got here."

 

AJ Brown is a better WR right now than Alshon Jeffery was when Alshon came to Philly at that stage of his career.