4 minutes ago, ShutDownDB said:

He gets credit for the moves he made before and during the SB run. That's where it ends for me simply because is cannot stand that little weasel.

Call me crazy but I'd have more faith in some of the blog regulars making draft picks over him.

Yep, put @Outlaw @Ray75 @HazletonEagle and myself in the war room, and this team has a top 10 roster in the NFL

Based on the consensus of who we wanted, our skill guys right now would be Kamara, DK and Jefferson.

1 minute ago, justrelax said:

They both changed their approaches a lot. The offense more so, but it had more to work with. When you have slow LBs, slow safeties, and only one good corner, your back seven can't do a whole lot. Our best LB was an undrafted free agent, not Ray Lewis.

Agree, but we could have taken a more aggressive approach.

- Blitz-more
- Play more-press man (which does fit all our CBs).
- More single high

Of course, that comes with risk. We choose the safe approach.

2 minutes ago, justrelax said:

They both changed their approaches a lot. The offense more so, but it had more to work with. When you have slow LBs, slow safeties, and only one good corner, your back seven can't do a whole lot. Our best LB was an undrafted free agent, not Ray Lewis.

And You didn’t even discuss the parts where the best defensive end on the roster who’s a 33-year-old Brandon Graham. And they lost him. And then your second best one is sweat. And then you have Derek Barnett who is a walking penalty and really should just be a rotational player. And as much as I love Fletcher Cox he is nowhere close to the level he was at 2 to 3 years ago. 

I find it amazing people are fawning over Fangio just gonna automatically assume if we lose Gannon he would go to the eagles. But then we talk about their defense severely lacking talent and believe fangio doesn’t look at that and choose a better option? 

 I’m not sure why anyone questions how much control Strong had over Nevada’s offense, he’s the only top 5 ranked QB in this draft that had control of the 10 other players on offense when he wanted it.  
 

In almost all of his scouting reports reads this

 

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

So watched some Carson Strong stuff, gotta say it's pretty impressive. Not sure why he's not getting more hype??? Maybe some posters more familiar with him know???

He's got a lot of impressive throws though.

The first throw on one of his highlights was against cal on about a 50 yards post to the end zone, the ball just explodes out of his hand and gets there accurately really quick 

He makes more than a fair amount of throws standing tall in the pocket staring down the rush and delivering accurate throws with dudes in his face and hitting him, reminded me of Kurt Warner who was really good at throwing accurately with guys in his face 

Howie used to talk about functioning in a chaotic pocket as one of the reasons they liked foles and I could see that same quality with strong, his accuracy doesn't seem to be negatively affected by pressure.

There were a few throws that he fit in against really tight windows, against K St. He fires a ball over the middle and threads it on point between 3 defenders, another throw against Fresno St. He fires a laser to his TE down the seem whose covered by two defenders then very next throw hits his TE in the end zone on a touch throw.

He's not super mobile but he has a few throws fading or rolling to his right where he kind of diets a little jump throw accurately, reminds me of Zach Wilson or mahomes , just not as quick or fast.

Plenty of deep throws in take where he just takes his 3 step drop and with a flick of the wrist launches it on point , he's got a real compact quick delivery.

I think if he were in a bigger conference playing against better competition he'd be more highly regarded and maybe some knock him down a bit because of that but not me, Mahomes played at Washington st, josh Allen at Wyoming, and though both those guys are definitely more athletic than strong all 3 of them have elite arms and GMs and coaches and scouts will always take chances on guys who can spin it especially with accuracy and Strong can spin it.

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Mahomes played at Texas tech 

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Yep, put @Outlaw @Ray75 @HazletonEagle and myself in the war room, and this team has a top 10 roster in the NFL

Based on the consensus of who we wanted, our skill guys right now would be Kamara, DK and Jefferson.

I actually do a notebook every year of the pick i would make and the pick the eagles made. It’s a good exercise so you can go back and look at how good or bad you are doing comparatively to the eagles. Granted players go to different teams might not be the same here as there as a variable. 

To me, the bigger question than "why would they want Gannon?" is "Who the hell is he pitching as his OC?"

11 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Also Avonte Maddox.  

Nickels are far easier to find than outside CBs.  I'm not impressed by finding a nickel.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

To me, the bigger question than "why would they want Gannon?" is "Who the hell is he pitching as his OC?"

Maybe he’s pitching he can get pro bowl alternate jalen hurts as his QB. 

16 minutes ago, justrelax said:

They both changed their approaches a lot. The offense more so, but it had more to work with. When you have slow LBs, slow safeties, and only one good corner, your back seven can't do a whole lot. Our best LB was an undrafted free agent, not Ray Lewis.

I'd argue that the eagles had the worst group of LBs and safeties in the league and I'm not sure I'd get much pushback league wide or here.

Always be grateful for McLeod for 2017 but that dude didn't just lose a step he's lost several steps.

Harris while not complete trash wouldn't be a starter in any other team.

Epps I think was the best safety and he's a back up on this team and any team.  Kevon Wallace has been disappointing.

As stated the LBs are a bunch of backups as well and while I appreciate a good underdog story and try hard lunch pail guys ones whole LB crew can't all be try hard lunch pail scrubs.

Tough to call a functional defense when 2/3 of ones defense are backups 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

And You didn’t even discuss the parts where the best defensive end on the roster who’s a 33-year-old Brandon Graham. And they lost him. And then your second best one is sweat. And then you have Derek Barnett who is a walking penalty and really should just be a rotational player. And as much as I love Fletcher Cox he is nowhere close to the level he was at 2 to 3 years ago. 

I find it amazing people are fawning over Fangio just gonna automatically assume if we lose Gannon he would go to the eagles. But then we talk about their defense severely lacking talent and believe fangio doesn’t look at that and choose a better option? 

Yeah I can't imagine any really good DC would look at the eagles defensive talent and say yeah that looks enticing, but Fangio would be an upgrade over Gannon imo.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I actually do a notebook every year of the pick i would make and the pick the eagles made. It’s a good exercise so you can go back and look at how good or bad you are doing comparatively to the eagles. Granted players go to different teams might not be the same here as there as a variable. 

Well according to Lurie, that is why the picks Howie made can't be criticized, the players he wanted were picked before the Eagles picked......which is f'ing moronic.  So you mean Mr. Lurie, Howie didn't have a back up plan?  And....I'm sorry, if he picked a WR (in Reagor and JJAW) and immediately after you have Jefferson and Metcalf, how is that not an unmitigated failure by Howie?

Looking forward to this boxing match

6 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Mahomes played at Texas tech 

Right Texas tech not Washington st.

Red and black not red and grey.

Still Texas tech isn't a power house school 

Watched some plays from the bucs game again for some reason. It seems like the majority of passes from Hurts come after the receiver has already run the route and are improvising. He can't find the open receiver in the structure of the offense, it isn't until the play has broke down and he's playing sandlot football that he can find them. He also already knows who he wants to throw the ball to and stares them down the entire time.

1 minute ago, wussbasket said:

Watched some plays from the bucs game again for some reason. It seems like the majority of passes from Hurts come after the receiver has already run the route and are improvising. He can't find the open receiver in the structure of the offense, it isn't until the play has broke down and he's playing sandlot football that he can find them. He also already knows who he wants to throw the ball to and stares them down the entire time.

That's what happens when you cant throw with anticipation or throw someone open. 

11 minutes ago, Utebird said:

So watched some Carson Strong stuff, gotta say it's pretty impressive. Not sure why he's not getting more hype??? Maybe some posters more familiar with him know???

He's got a lot of impressive throws though.

The first throw on one of his highlights was against cal on about a 50 yards post to the end zone, the ball just explodes out of his hand and gets there accurately really quick 

He makes more than a fair amount of throws standing tall in the pocket staring down the rush and delivering accurate throws with dudes in his face and hitting him, reminded me of Kurt Warner who was really good at throwing accurately with guys in his face 

Howie used to talk about functioning in a chaotic pocket as one of the reasons they liked foles and I could see that same quality with strong, his accuracy doesn't seem to be negatively affected by pressure.

There were a few throws that he fit in against really tight windows, against K St. He fires a ball over the middle and threads it on point between 3 defenders, another throw against Fresno St. He fires a laser to his TE down the seem whose covered by two defenders then very next throw hits his TE in the end zone on a touch throw.

He's not super mobile but he has a few throws fading or rolling to his right where he kind of does a little jump throw accurately, reminds me of Zach Wilson or mahomes , just not as quick or fast.

Plenty of deep throws in take where he just takes his 3 step drop and with a flick of the wrist launches it on point , he's got a real compact quick delivery.

I think if he were in a bigger conference playing against better competition he'd be more highly regarded and maybe some knock him down a bit because of that but not me, Mahomes played at Washington st, josh Allen at Wyoming, and though both those guys are definitely more athletic than strong all 3 of them have elite arms and GMs and coaches and scouts will always take chances on guys who can spin it especially with accuracy and Strong can spin it.

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Watch the full games as much as you can, rather than the highlights.   He's going to get knocked for medical (possibly) and for those that are enthralled by the 'mobile' QB craze... he's going to get a BIG knock.  He's just not the guy.   Foles is a decent comparison for him.  I'd say that Strong appears to be 'functionally' mobile in the pocket... mostly.  He does appear a little stiff at times, but that might be related to the recovery from the knee surgery... I don't know when the games I've watched were played compared to the surgery.  

But, I am always an ARM FIRST evaluation at QB.  He's got a few things to clean up with his feet, but generally always is in position to throw, even if its not 100% proper mechanics.  He's got no real chance of being a guy who is going to break off a 20 yard run.  But, that doesn't matter to me at all.

 

This works for me.

 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 Rodney McLeod and Harris are not that good. Watch the safety play for the Packers this weekend and tell me the Eagles have anything remotely close to what Amos and savage at the position and can do what those guys do. As much experience those guys have they are on the decline and not what they once were. You can only do so much with the players you have. If this was Rodney McLeod 3 to 4 years ago before his first ACL you would be right. But he’s not  he’s two acls removed and not the player he once was.

also if you go out and sign a guy like Bates or sign a guy like Marcus Williams I will guarantee you he trust them more the  the two safeties they had out there this year. you wanna know why? better players at this stage of their career. They can do more things at this stage of their career at a higher level than Rodney McLeod and Harris. 

and if we are gonna talk about rookies well it depends on if howie and the Eagles go to him and understand what guys he likes that he believes fits his system then I would bet you we trust him a lot more then the guys he inherited that he probably doesn’t like but was forced to use. 

I have no disagreement with you on Schwartz  and Fangio would be better. However they’ve also been in the league for about 30-40 years so they have way more experience. And they didn’t just magically overnight in one season as a defensive coordinator become great. Additionally you assume that Fangio is only gonna go to the Eagles. There are teams out there with much better defensive personnel that i would bet he would choose to go to over the Philadelphia eagles. Because the Eagles we’ve been talking about this since the end of 2018 needing to rebuild his defense and they kept refusing to do it.  Theres this assumption that fangio is just automatically going to be a Philadelphia eagles defensive coordinator if Gannon leaves. He’s going to have a whole bunch of options.  other teams that are going to have their openings and there’s a highly likely chance 2-3 of those teams have better personnel that he’d rather coach. 

I am not assuming Fangio is coming to the Eagles.  I am just saying he would be better than Gannon.  There's also plenty of coordinators where a lot of time doesn't make a difference.  Again, I am not saying the defense was talented enough to be better.  I am saying they were veteran enough to run more disguised looks and to execute better blitzes.

You hit on one of the big concerns with Howie and the draft philosophy. They over value certain positions especially on defense. The easy pick in 2020 was Jeremy Chinn and he is who Schwartz wanted.  They could have taken Nassir Adderly or Juan Thornhill in 2019.  The team has repeatedly undervalued secondary and LBs on defense while over drafting at DE.  That philosophy needs to change.  If the team does not add young talent through the draft it won't matter who the coordinator is.  

6 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Right Texas tech not Washington st.

Red and black not red and grey.

Still Texas tech isn't a power house school 

You know who did play at Washington State

 

8 minutes ago, RLC said:

Agree, but we could have taken a more aggressive approach.

- Blitz-more
- Play more-press man (which does fit all our CBs).
- More single high

Of course, that comes with risk. We choose the safe approach.

I don’t disagree with you that they could’ve went and changed up scheme and approach at times. But I have a feeling some of that comes down to him being inexperienced and some of that comes down to he doesn’t trust the talent he inherited. 

I think some of this is fans believe we can just scrap our defense and run a different scheme the next week and our inferior talent would just have success. he implemented his system off-season, all training camp, all preseason. So the Eagles did that all off-season and the talent they had wasn’t good enough to grasp that scheme or played effectively. So you’re going to implement a new scheme with even less time with the same inferior talent and somehow they’re gonna wind up being more consistent or better? 

This is not to be an excuse for Gannon. I think there’s times where he could’ve tried some different things. Because that’s his job to add and put some new wrinkles into the defense. But this whole we should totally just change it completely and it would’ve made the defense good i think is a fallacy. They probably still would’ve been bad just in a different scheme due to crap talent on defense. 

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

To me, the bigger question than "why would they want Gannon?" is "Who the hell is he pitching as his OC?"

Hopefully Steichen. 

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yeah I can't imagine any really good DC would look at the eagles defensive talent and say yeah that looks enticing, but Fangio would be an upgrade over Gannon imo.

He would for sure being upgrade. But I can’t see Fangio being like yeah the Eagles my best option that’s where I want to go. There’s gonna be other teams that have better personnel and talent on defense that he much rather coach. That’s what this comes down too

4 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Watched some plays from the bucs game again for some reason. It seems like the majority of passes from Hurts come after the receiver has already run the route and are improvising. He can't find the open receiver in the structure of the offense, it isn't until the play has broke down and he's playing sandlot football that he can find them. He also already knows who he wants to throw the ball to and stares them down the entire time.

Watched a highlight tape of him at Oklahoma too.  Care to guess what his highlights are?  Almost exclusively that same thing - plus long runs, either designed or improvised.  

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That's what happens when you cant throw with anticipation or throw someone open. 

He can't even throw when someone is open.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

He would for sure being upgrade. But I can’t see Fangio being like yeah the Eagles my best option that’s where I want to go. There’s gonna be other teams that have better personnel and talent on defense that he much rather coach. That’s what this comes down too

Let's say they lose Gannon to a HC job. Perhaps the lure to Fangio would be we have 5 picks in the first 83, and we'll use 3 or 4 of them on D if you come here to be our co-ordinator. And you get a say in who you want. 

I don't know if Lowie would concede that, but that would be a big part of the pitch, I imagine. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Watch the full games as much as you can, rather than the highlights.   He's going to get knocked for medical (possibly) and for those that are enthralled by the 'mobile' QB craze... he's going to get a BIG knock.  He's just not the guy.   Foles is a decent comparison for him.  I'd say that Strong appears to be 'functionally' mobile in the pocket... mostly.  He does appear a little stiff at times, but that might be related to the recovery from the knee surgery... I don't know when the games I've watched were played compared to the surgery.  

But, I am always an ARM FIRST evaluation at QB.  He's got a few things to clean up with his feet, but generally always is in position to throw, even if its not 100% proper mechanics.  He's got no real chance of being a guy who is going to break off a 20 yard run.  But, that doesn't matter to me at all.

 

This works for me.

Lol love the music to that foles video 

I'm an arm first guy as well 

Too many gms get enamored with athletic traits of qbs, how fast they can run and extend plays yet the best rookie QB this year was Jones who was the least mobile qb of all the top drafted rookie qbs.

If a qb can run and extend plays that's great but he better be able to stand in the pocket and throw on time with accuracy and velocity or all you have is jalen hurts Tim Tebow or any other run first QB that never won anything.