13 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah I’ve been saying this for months now. I don’t think they have to go get a quarterback at any cost. But if there is a quarterback out there that you believe is going to be a franchise quarterback and you love then you better go do it and not just think we can wait til next year. 

You might not have the assets next year to move up to get the quarterback in a draft (see Zach Wilson this year), in the trade market a team could have better assets for the same player and you lose out. there might not be a quarterback you love next year in the free agent/trade market or draft. Heck for all we know we can get to next year in that quarterback draft class reminds people of this one even though we think it’s gonna be better now.

I haven’t even touched on if they use these picks defensively and they aren’t hits, the  you still have to build up the defense and you’re not gonna want to give up picks next year either to get a QB. 

Again my belief has always been don’t just go get a quarterback because you want a quarterback this offseason. If you actually covet and love one whether it be the trade market, free agency or the draft in this off-season then you better go get it. You might not have the requisite assets to get the guy next year or might not be someone you love and you get stuck in a QB purgatory 

 

Yup. Too many peoples strategy is just hope Hurts takes a massive leap of just hope a guy falls into your lap next year. That’s not a strategy to build a winning team. It’s just wishcasting . 

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yup. Too many’s people strategy is just hope Hurts takes a massive leap of just hope a guy falls into your lap next year. 

The just hope someone falls into their lap is the more annoying of those two. Because they tried to trade up to get Zach Wilson this past year and they didn’t have the assets to do it nor a team willing to make that move for them to get high enough up. 

I personally don’t think they’re gonna be able to acquire that quarterback this off-season. But I don’t think it’s gonna be from a lack of trying. I trust Joel Corry (agent) who put his name to what he put out there that Zach Ertz wasn’t traded sooner because they were trying to get a Watson deal done. 

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The just hope someone falls into their lap is the more annoying of those two. Because they tried to trade up to get Zach Wilson this past year and they didn’t have the assets to do it nor a team willing to make that move for them to get high enough up. 

I personally don’t think they’re gonna be able to acquire that quarterback this off-season. But I don’t think it’s gonna be from a lack of trying. I trust Joel Corry (agent) who put his name to what he put out there that Zach Ertz wasn’t traded sooner because they were trying to get a Watson deal done. 

I’m starting to think if they can’t land someone big they are going to panic and take a QB in the first and have them "drafted to be the backup” to keep the factory going. 

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The Eagles are in QB purgatory. They aren’t bad enough to get a top pick next year, they aren’t good enough to seriously compete in the post season either. They have the picks now to get out of it. "Building the team” and "sticking with Hurts” should be the dead last options because you weren’t able to pull the trigger in acquiring a proven commodity. 
 

And I’m tired of the "next years class will be great!” narrative. This time last year the talk was how this was going to be a stacked draft class and Spencer Rattler was the flavor of the month. Even if Stroud or Young turn out to be good prospects, pick #15 - #20 isn’t going to be enough to jump other teams. 

If Hurts is so bad, then why would we believe the Eagles win so many games to pick 15-20? That seems like contrary to what the general belief is about Hurts in here.  Only AFan seems to rank him as a 20 or better QB.  

The Eagles are only in QB purgatory if they go chasing QBs.  They have a young developing QB that has taken them to the playoffs in his first year as a starter.  They should show patience and trust the process.  

22 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

If Hurts is so bad, then why would we believe the Eagles win so many games to pick 15-20? That seems like contrary to what the general belief is about Hurts in here.  Only AFan seems to rank him as a 20 or better QB.  

Easy. The Eagles have one of the best O-lines in the league with the best O-line coach that they can plug in UDFAs while barely skipping a beat. If they want to maximize wins, which I’m sure will be the approach, they will feature the run game again which is good enough to bully the bad teams, be competitive in the middle of the pack and get blown out by the good teams. The definition of purgatory. He does enough with what he has to be middle of the pack and put in no man’s land. Assuming he doesn’t pick up some injury which takes away his only useful asset. 
 

I haven’t heard or seen anyone say Hurts is so bad he doesn’t belong in the league. He’s good enough to be a backup. Or be a stop gap QB for a bad team. He’s not someone to hitch your wagon to or buy in and be patient in the hopes of him making some unprecedented leap.
 

Plus the NFC as a whole is weak, the NFC East is still weak. Eagles with Hurts will be in the mix again for the 7th/6th seed which puts them right in the range of missing the playoffs or barely making it based on one win or loss. 

23 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

The Eagles are only in QB purgatory if they go chasing QBs.  They have a young developing QB that has taken them to the playoffs in his first year as a starter.  They should show patience and trust the process.  

They literally got Hurts by chasing QBs 

7 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Big E

RLC

AFan

RTK 

All walk in a bar.  What do they say?  

"Which one of us was the last to get off 4for4’s mama”? 😁

33 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Easy. The Eagles have one of the best O-lines in the league with the best O-line coach that they can plug in UDFAs while barely skipping a beat. If they want to maximize wins, which I’m sure will be the approach, they will feature the run game again which is good enough to bully the bad teams, be competitive in the middle of the pack and get blown out by the good teams. The definition of purgatory. He does enough with what he has to be middle of the pack and put in no man’s land. Assuming he doesn’t pick up some injury which takes away his only useful asset. 
 

I haven’t heard or seen anyone say Hurts is so bad he doesn’t belong in the league. He’s good enough to be a backup. Or be a stop gap QB for a bad team. He’s not someone to hitch your wagon to or buy in and be patient in the hopes of him making some unprecedented leap.
 

Plus the NFC as a whole is weak, the NFC East is still weak. Eagles with Hurts will be in the mix again for the 7th/6th seed which puts them right in the range of missing the playoffs or barely making it based on one win or loss. 

Man, if you think plugging in Herbig and then Opeta was barely missing a beat, you are misguided.  Love the OL but those and Smith don’t make a dynamic offense on their own.   But you said pick 15-20.  That was teams that just missed the playoffs to third wildcards.  Now you are saying that losing 4-6 starters on defense, quite possibly Howard, Jackson out well into the season so Stoll is the current #2 TE again and neither Driscoll or Seumalo being sure to recover and rookies at a number of positions that the Eagles, with the worse QB in the league, are going to be a playoff team.  That seems contrary to likely reality.  I expect both the giants and commies to improve this year. Hopefully the Eagles stay as healthy as in 2021:but the reality is that is unlikely. Eagles may well be picking in the top 10, even top 5.  

On 2/16/2022 at 2:05 PM, downundermike said:

Such a baby, I was the one that made the bet offer, you then drastically changed the terms because you realized you were wrong.

@Moderator6 time to do something with this clown.  Reporting people for responding to posts, ridiculous.

@Bacarty2 replying to posts with relevant on-topic replies isn't stalking. Use the ignore feature. 

Everyone in here stop whining and being dramatic like 12 year old girls. It's a football forum, on the internet. Grow up and get some thick skin.

6 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

With what? You’re giving up the ammo you have.

And now you are trying to address QB, along with most teams trying to address QB this year, along with more teams like Falcons, Lions, Vikings, Giants etc that will be looking to address QB as well. 

 

You trade out one of the 3 firsts for a future 1 & maybe a 2 this year, Birds have a bunch if picks in later rounds & can probably move up here & there to get players of need.

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Man, if you think plugging in Herbig and then Opeta was barely missing a beat, you are misguided.  Love the OL but those and Smith don’t make a dynamic offense on their own.   But you said pick 15-20.  That was teams that just missed the playoffs to third wildcards.  Now you are saying that losing 4-6 starters on defense, quite possibly Howard, Jackson out well into the season so Stoll is the current #2 TE again and neither Driscoll or Seumalo being sure to recover and rookies at a number of positions that the Eagles, with the worse QB in the league, are going to be a playoff team.  That seems contrary to likely reality.  I expect both the giants and commies to improve this year. Hopefully the Eagles stay as healthy as in 2021:but the reality is that is unlikely. Eagles may well be picking in the top 10, even top 5.  

I’m not saying Herbig or Opeta are great but the line was still good enough with them. Compare that to teams around the league. How would the Bengals look with their 4th team RG?
 

Eagles should lose 4ish starters on D. They aren’t good. They have a little bit of money to upgrade them this year. Howard, JAG. Jackson is a completely unproven project who shouldn’t even be counted on for anything. Yes they could be worse next year for some reason or more injured but the likely outcome is this team with $24M in space and multiple picks should be good enough to be status quo. Again, Hurts deserves a spot somewhere in the league but counting on him as your starter is going to limit the team to being nothing but average at best. 

4 minutes ago, roadagain65 said:

 

You trade out one of the 3 firsts for a future 1 & maybe a 2 this year, Birds have a bunch if picks in later rounds & can probably move up here & there to get players of need.

This is also more wishcasting. If the QB class sucks and the first round is nothing but solid players, who is trading up high enough for a pick in the middle of the 1st that nets you a second and a future first? And for what? Linderbaum or Karlaftis? IF they can pull that off, it’s absolutely the right move. But I don’t think it’s that easy. Precedence doesn’t suggest it either. 

You go with Hurts until someone better (not marginally better, and not a 1-2 year fix) comes available. And they eventually do.

If he doesn't improve, he'll be easy to upgrade, if he does improve, there will be no urgency to upgrade.

These things tend to resolve themselves over time.

The first order of business is to finish the rebuild - Eagles need to build up their core of young players before they worry about finding THE QB. Walk, then run.

Finding a franchise QB resolves itself over time. Might be my favorite and first signature ever. 

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This is also more wishcasting. If the QB class sucks and the first round is nothing but solid players, who is trading up high enough for a pick in the middle of the 1st that nets you a second and a future first? And for what? Linderbaum or Karlaftis? IF they can pull that off, it’s absolutely the right move. But I don’t think it’s that easy. Precedence doesn’t suggest it either. 

Best and most realistic option I’ve seen suggested on here is trade back #19 to CIN for picks #31 and 63.  That would give the Eagles 3 first round picks and two second round picks.

With that ammunition you could draft DE at #15, CB at #16, Carson Strong at #31 (if his medicals check out), and still be able to draft LB at #51 and S at #63 (or vice versa).  3rd round pick at #83 can be the best big WR on the board to augment a FA WR signing.

Strong can backup Minshew for 2022, Hurts would be shipped off for a 2023 3rd round pick …. and the retool is further ahead 

21 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This is also more wishcasting. If the QB class sucks and the first round is nothing but solid players, who is trading up high enough for a pick in the middle of the 1st that nets you a second and a future first? And for what? Linderbaum or Karlaftis? IF they can pull that off, it’s absolutely the right move. But I don’t think it’s that easy. Precedence doesn’t suggest it either. 

 

It's all 'wishcasting' to some extent - you sell the farm for Wilson & are hoping he doesnt start regressing the day he walks in the building, you bring in Watson & hope he hasn't lost his confidence & doesnt start feeling up the female training staff, & on it goes. 

 

This team has major requirements beyond QB & packaging up high draft picks & blowing out the cap to bring in a high profile guy does nothing to address them.

8 minutes ago, roadagain65 said:

 

It's all 'wishcasting' to some extent - you sell the farm for Wilson & are hoping he doesnt start regressing the day he walks in the building, you bring in Watson & hope he hasn't lost his confidence & doesnt start feeling up the female training staff, & on it goes. 

 

This team has major requirements beyond QB & packaging up high draft picks & blowing out the cap to bring in a high profile guy does nothing to address them.

Fair enough. I just feel drafting some guys and hoping they turn out to be building blocks is by far a riskier proposition long term than trading for someone established. 
 

Agree that the team needs far more than a QB, but a QB is the most important part and should be addressed when the situation is favorable and allows it. 

11 hours ago, Swoop said:

I see the title of court jester has been taken from me. 

I saw you create the Sam Bradford thread in IWTEG forum the other day 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

They literally got Hurts by chasing QBs 

 

Doesn't mean they should keep doing it.  Look what happened the last time they did, their freshly signed franchise QB had a mental breakdown and now he's about to become a full on Ryan Fitzpatrick style journeyman QB.  

28 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Fair enough. I just feel drafting some guys and hoping they turn out to be building blocks is by far a riskier proposition long term than trading for someone established. 
 

Agree that the team needs far more than a QB, but a QB is the most important part and should be addressed when the situation is favorable and allows it. 

If I’m reading you correctly it seems like you’re suggesting Hurts and a 3rd round pick in exchange for Jared Goff

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

If I’m reading you correctly it seems like you’re suggesting Hurts and a 3rd round pick in exchange for Jared Goff

Wrong. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

Two firsts and Hurts for Goff and Duce Staley.

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

You go with Hurts until someone better (not marginally better, and not a 1-2 year fix) comes available. And they eventually do.

If he doesn't improve, he'll be easy to upgrade, if he does improve, there will be no urgency to upgrade.

These things tend to resolve themselves over time.

The first order of business is to finish the rebuild - Eagles need to build up their core of young players before they worry about finding THE QB. Walk, then run.

So we need to rebuild after Howie failed to sustain a team good enough to consistently contend by missing on high end draft picks?

So we lack a core of good young players because Howie extended aging vets starting their downturn and failed at drafting their younger quality replacements?

Seriously not trying to be an ahole, but just wanting to check my facts before moving forward.

And I agree, the QB situation will resolve itself over time since Hurts' ceiling is only a career backup and he won't improve enough to prove he's a top 12 level quality starting QB (aka Playoff level QB).

But, hey, he's possibly top 20, so if we bulk up the D and the OL and we go to pound town on the ground and don't have to throw the pigskin much then we can be contenders/pretenders.

Wonderful shite, that is.

OK, I am an ahole.  But I'm a FUN ahole.

 

14 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Wrong. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

Two firsts and Hurts for Goff and Duce Staley.

You owe @HazletonEagle a royalty.  This is his trademarked reply. 

 

2 hours ago, BigEFly said:

If Hurts is so bad, then why would we believe the Eagles win so many games to pick 15-20? That seems like contrary to what the general belief is about Hurts in here.  Only AFan seems to rank him as a 20 or better QB.  

Because we will run the ball like this year, which will enable us to beat bad teams. Plus, look at our schedule. NFC East is 3 wins. NFC north is at least 2. Same with the AFC South. So there’s 7 wins with the Steelers (no QB), Cardinals (depends on when we play them) and Saints (no QB and new coach).