6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Nope.  You celebrated how the offense looked (and hurts) against their Patriots #9 ranked offense in a practice.  You’re denying posting any of that?  Nothing of the sort.  Is that what you’re going with?

Dude, we straight up slaughtered people in joint practices last year.  Reagor was a legit #1.  Teams will be afraid to practice against us this year.

Think of the nfl as the pga tour.  You’ve got the masters, US open, British open, PGA championship.  The NFL has joint practice season, regular season, and playoff season.  And Siri already won a major in his first year.  Joint practice champs is not something to scoff at.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Nope.  You celebrated how the offense looked (and hurts) against their Patriots #9 ranked offense in a practice.  You’re denying posting any of that?  Nothing of the sort.  Is that what you’re going with.   

I'm sure I probably used the term "offense." But please show me where I was praising Hurts. I was excited about the plays Smith, Reagor, and Watkins were making. I've already acknowledged that my excitement for Reagor based on practice highlights proved to be premature. I mean, if you want to shame me for that, go ahead. But I was not high on Hurts last offseason, nor was I praising him specifically. He did surprise me in week 1, but then he was beginning to lose me again in the next 6 weeks or so (see my post history for verification). I was ready to see what Minshew had to offer at that point. But Hurts, IMO, finally began showing encouraging signs and I'm somewhat optimistic about him right now. 

 

Even though I wasn't high on Hurts at this time last year does not mean I didn't support him. Wentz was gone and I moved on. Hurts didn't do anything in his rookie season that made me think he should have started games over Wentz --- even if Wentz was having his worst season. But those decisions aren't mine to make.

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

 

Most of us primarily follow the salary cap from an arm chair gm perspective.  It’s fun to allocate resources to solve a puzzle.

I wonder if the nfl is developing a wage gap problem.  We hear all the sob stories about most NFL players having nothing in the bank a few years after retirement…and the brevity of a typical career.  I wonder how the gap between the 10 highest salaries on the roster vs the next 43 has evolved over time.  (My suspicion is that a gap is widening somewhere between top and bottom). That’s an issue for the players union to sort out.  They advocate for players over owners (which is their job to do), but no one looks out for the interests of the lesser players versus the stars.  It’s fine to just leave it to the free market too, but if anyone gets sick of qbs just eating up the entire cap, I could see players advocating for some change there.

 

Oddly, the new WR salaries could be the tipping point. If your QB and top 2 WRs eat up say, 40% of your cap, when do the other positions say enough?

I have to imagine that youth would want to funnel into being a QB and WR more than ever, which is what the owners are hoping for

2 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I'm sure I probably used the term "offense." But please show me where I was praising Hurts. I was excited about the plays Smith, Reagor, and Watkins were making. I've already acknowledged that my excitement for Reagor based on practice highlights proved to be premature. I mean, if you want to shame me for that, go ahead. But I was not high on Hurts last offseason, nor was I praising him specifically. He did surprise me in week 1, but then he was beginning to lose me again in the next 6 weeks or so (see my post history for verification). I was ready to see what Minshew had to offer at that point. But Hurts, IMO, finally began showing encouraging signs and I'm somewhat optimistic about him right now. 

 

Even though I wasn't high on Hurts at this time last year does not mean I didn't support him. Wentz was gone and I moved on. Hurts didn't do anything in his rookie season that made me think he should have started games over Wentz --- even if Wentz was having his worst season. But those decisions aren't mine to make.

What signs would that be, exactly?

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Oddly, the new WR salaries could be the tipping point. If your QB and top 2 WRs eat up say, 40% of your cap, when do the other positions say enough?

I have to imagine that youth would want to funnel into being a QB and WR more than ever, which is what the owners are hoping for

The fall of the salary cap era, brought down solely because of Christian Kirk 

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

Hurts is 24 years old so apparently this is his "Kobe year"

What a disgrace to the name. 

To Kobe?  Nah - I’d say he was good enough to be mentioned in the same breath as Hurts

9 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

To Kobe?  Nah - I’d say he was good enough to be mentioned in the same breath as Hurts

I wonder if he is going to yell "KOBE!" every time he runs it this year.

35 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I wonder if he is going to yell "KOBE!" every time he runs it this year.

Pretty good comparison, cause Kobe never passed either 

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

I’m cheering for Hurts to develop, but everything he’s saying and doing through OTAs and training camp indicates he will be the same player as last season.

I don’t think I’d go that far. By all accounts he’s targeting the middle of the field. That in and of itself shows growth. 

2 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Who's defending it? I'm defending it in 11v11. The 7v7 (runs) is something I believe your crowd has invented. Got any clips or tweets to back up the alleged 7v7 runs by Hurts?

What crowd am I in?  

 

BTW, its bad in 11v11 as well.  He needs to learn how to pass from the pocket, not run out of it.  He needs to learn how to move in the pocket without looking at the pass rush.  

 

And I repeat... the 2nd play in that series you posted was a 'sack', not a TD.  So that play wasn't even a positive thing at all.

2 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I doubt that.  Their O line isn’t great.  I suspect they go to a more run based offense.  

Yeah.  But that’s not the point.   That poster is saying that we were making up that Hurts is taking off and running during 7v7 drills.  

I feel like the Steelers are very similar to the Eagles in which they have talent surrounding the QB.  Eagles have the better OL, Steelers have the better stable of RB.  Both teams will go as far as their QBs take them.  Trubisky is in a situation like Carson Wentz where he hasn't had this much talent around him.  I think the Steelers have a good coaching staff and yeah they could go run heavy but if they can protect Trubisky, he could put up numbers. 

Their RB room is what I would love the Eagles to look like. 

Najee Harris- nothing needs to be said.  Straight up beast.  We'll see how he holds up physically. 307 carries as a rookie, all other RB combined had 40 carries.

Benny Snell- would instantly be #2 here, not used much because of Najee.

Anthony McFarland- speed out of backfield if needed, again Najee is their RB.

Master Teague- Steelers version of Kennedy Brooks.

Connor Heyward (listed as TE/FB) was primarily FB in college and he's the kind of guy the Steelers tend to get the most out of.   I see him and think Kimble Anders/Larry Centers type of player but not on their level. 

1 hour ago, TorontoEagle said:

What signs would that be, exactly?

gang signs

34 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I don’t think I’d go that far. By all accounts he’s targeting the middle of the field. That in and of itself shows growth. 

It's a step in the right direction.  

24 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It's a step in the right direction.  

Yeah. It’s not gonna propel him into franchise QB territory or anything, but it’s certainly not nothing (if it carries over to the regular season). And we’ll need Hurts to target Brown on those slants and digs since that’s where he does his best work. 

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

I feel like the Steelers are very similar to the Eagles in which they have talent surrounding the QB.  Eagles have the better OL, Steelers have the better stable of RB.  Both teams will go as far as their QBs take them.  Trubisky is in a situation like Carson Wentz where he hasn't had this much talent around him.  I think the Steelers have a good coaching staff and yeah they could go run heavy but if they can protect Trubisky, he could put up numbers. 

Their RB room is what I would love the Eagles to look like. 

Najee Harris- nothing needs to be said.  Straight up beast.  We'll see how he holds up physically. 307 carries as a rookie, all other RB combined had 40 carries.

Benny Snell- would instantly be #2 here, not used much because of Najee.

Anthony McFarland- speed out of backfield if needed, again Najee is their RB.

Master Teague- Steelers version of Kennedy Brooks.

Connor Heyward (listed as TE/FB) was primarily FB in college and he's the kind of guy the Steelers tend to get the most out of.   I see him and think Kimble Anders/Larry Centers type of player but not on their level. 

Benny Snell is the JAGgest JAG who ever JAGged

I don’t understand this concept that growth/improvement are sufficient to maintain both a starting job and a spot in the long term plans at qb.

There are 1,000 quarterbacks in high school that consistently improve every year.  Lots of practice squad players show growth from year 1 to 2.  Do these players get starting jobs in the nfl simply for improving?  
 

Of course not.  They are not talented enough and lack the upside for simple improvement to meet criteria to keep the job.  That’s one extreme.  The other extremes are Trevor Lawrence and Josh Allen.  With their prototypical talent and upside, sub par play through 2 years with the silver lining of gradual improvement…that’s adequate.

Meanwhile…Dak Prescott, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady…they were not prototypical talents.  When they were thrown onto the field out of necessity, they explosively secured their jobs…because they likely would not have had sustained opportunity if they didn’t.

Hurts may not be a high school extreme, but the onus is on him to leave zero doubts about this being his job.  The talent just isn’t there for "patience.”  He doesn’t have the talent, investment, or luxury of Josh Allen, Zach Wilson, or Trevor Lawrence patience.

Yet here we are, after 2 years of absolute bottom of the barrel nfl passing, talking about settling for continued improvement in year 3.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

I don’t think I’d go that far. By all accounts he’s targeting the middle of the field. That in and of itself shows growth. 

I’ve had this type of opinion on the matter for a while now. I think hurts’ ceiling is top 15 type QB. Probably in the 11-15 range. Will he ever reach that? That becomes the question then is that good enough to get the eagles another Lombardi. I think he can still get better. I’d hope he could somewhat improve because he has a good work ethic and i believe he wants to be better.

My concern comes down to do i think we can win a super bowl with him at QB? This means beating the Bucs, rams, bills, chiefs and teams of that ilk. I get the defense sucked last year and is part of this equation. But if you are asking me do i see the eagles being able to beat one of those teams/QBs even if we get a top 5 defense with hurts at QB, tough for me to see it at the moment.  I hope to god he proves me wrong. I’d be thrilled. I saw josh Allen have a top 5 defense last year and he (imo is a top 5 Qb) and yet he wasn’t able to do it and he put up 35+ against the chiefs. You can build up the team around hoping to get that super bowl. But you might just be the rams who did build up the roster around goff and Goff was still their biggest hurdle to winning a SB. Mcvay and the rams knew it. It’s why they made the move they did. 

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Benny Snell- would instantly be #2 here,

 

Didn’t read the thread yet, but posting for anyone interested. A full YouTube vid at the end. 

2 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

Benny Snell is the JAGgest JAG who ever JAGged

Reno Mahe of the modern nfl

Watched all the clips in that thread. The issues are Jalen not keeping his eyes downfield, leaving the pocket too early, and not synching his dropback to the play. Seems like it's all on Jalen to me. There's a wide open receiver in every clip except one.

23 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Watched all the clips in that thread. The issues are Jalen not keeping his eyes downfield, leaving the pocket too early, and not synching his dropback to the play. Seems like it's all on Jalen to me. There's a wide open receiver in every clip except one.

 It’s not the only reason, but it’s one of the reasons Howell went from a top 10 pick, to a 5th rounder.  He was always a little shaky in the pocket when he had NFL talent at the WR and RB positions, but last season he consistently watched the rush, left the pocket early and became a running QB.  
 The NFL didn’t see it as adding another dimension to his game, they saw a guy taking off from clean pockets trying to make a play on his own and missing open pass catchers.  
 It says the same thing on Hurts scouting report from Oklahoma and it’s a tough habit to break. 
       
 On Josh Allen’s scouting report it says that keeps his eyes downfield when he’s scrambling, and that was considered a big strength of his game since he can throw the ball anywhere on the field, plus at 6’5” he can see the field.

 

16 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Take your divisive hate to CVON.  

How do you get hate from a post that preaches tolerance?

55 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Not being able to "deal with” a particular part of society is the exact opposite of tolerance.  😂 And his post was filled with slanted hypocrisy’s and slights.  Regardless, the political ish doesn’t belong here.  I don’t care how self righteous you and the rest of your arrogant pillars think you are.  It doesn’t belong.  Take it there.
 

BTW, I’d say the same thing (I have) to someone who was defending another poster who posted "crazy liberals”.  

well they are crazy, those people