35 minutes ago, austinfan said:

But there is no alternative, no one other than a few posters here thinks Minshew is a starting NFL QB. Heck, he's not in the same league with Fitzpatrick

Maybe you should go look at both players stats their first two years they started multiple games, assess those teams, and get back to us.

5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Further more, @austinfan, you want facts? 

How's this (and I'm not even pushing for Minshew to start, I think he's a good backup)

Minshew, with the same team around him that Hurts had:

20/25 242 yards, 2 TDs, 0 Ints, and 11.28 adjusted yards/attempt. 

But go on, tell us how Minshew's ceiling is Hurts floor.

Like, Hurts against the Giants:

14/31 129 yards, 0 TDs and 3 INTs.

Equally terrible teams. 

You can step off your high horse now. 

That high horse comment takes me back.

4 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

You’re probably flying that cowboy flag from your trailer 

It’s a mobile home, not a trailer 

5 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

From reading the beats camp notes, it sounds like the offseason messaging got through to Reagor.  We will see if it sticks.  Supposedly came into camp in good shape and working hard on routes.  Now the tell will be on plays where he isn’t the target.   Trust must be earned.  

Or when he is the target and the ball hits him in the hands.

I'm interested to see how the Eagles pass defense performs in the preseason, as their struggles against the pass in the preseason last year was an early signal of what was to come:

PIT -- 29/37 for 258 yards

NE -- 23/31 for 278 yards

Jets -- 20/31 for 219 yards and 3 TDs

 

Hopefully we'll see signs of a more robust pass defense tomorrow.

Dude can definitely put touch on the passes. 

Playing Jets the first pre-season game feels weird. It was always the light at the end of the tunnel for training camp, and the day or two after would be 53 cut down day. 

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

These are interesting points.  Jared Goff, despite not being a running QB, is a very interesting comparison here.  Jared Goff, 2017 & 2018, was a no doubt about it top 11-15 QB...and, frankly, probably higher.

People will argue that Mcvay and the Rams weapons made Goff better than he was.  They'd be right.  And guess what...arguably the best OL in the NFL, a caretaker offense, and lots of shiny weapons also make Hurts better than he is.  History showed that Goff, despite those gaudy stats from ages 23-24, was holding the Rams back.  With a year of improvement, seasoning, this OL, and the new weapons, Hurts might move into a surprisingly good statistical range.  But I think his passing acumen and deficiencies will always be what is holding this team back.  

A team can only go so far building around a QB whose weakness is all aspects of passing.  All the athleticism in the world, attitude, leadership, and continued marginal improvement are not good enough when we are on a relentless, agonizing march towards adequate as a passer.

 

Goff is a good comparison for hurts in that everyone including the Rams could see that Goff was holding them back.

I think the eagles probably view hurts the same but they're not going to publicly say it.

Maybe hurts takes a bit of a statistical jump this year gets bounced in the playoffs again and has enough trade value to fool a stupid franchise, much like the lions to trade for him🤷‍♂️

I think it's pretty obvious to all but a few that Hurts isn't the guy.

I'll eat my hat if he is.

11 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Further more, @austinfan, you want facts? 

How's this (and I'm not even pushing for Minshew to start, I think he's a good backup)

Minshew, with the same team around him that Hurts had:

20/25 242 yards, 2 TDs, 0 Ints, and 11.28 adjusted yards/attempt. 

But go on, tell us how Minshew's ceiling is Hurts floor.

Like, Hurts against the Giants:

14/31 129 yards, 0 TDs and 3 INTs.

Equally terrible teams. 

False.

The Jets had the worst defense by DVOA (32). Giants were 18th. Not remotely the same thing.

16 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup.

I want to see if dean can shed a block.

In college he either out ran blocks or got real skinny and slipped them 

What's going to happen when a pulling tackle or guard gets up on him, will Dean be able to shed that block get off him and make the tackle.

Having said that will be nice having a guy like Davis to keep him clean.

Sinnett I'm Interested to see.

He has good size at 6'4" and a pretty good arm.

Pascal don't really care about at all, Siri has said he really likes speed from the slot Watkins and reagor ( if not traded) fit that bill, Pascal not so much.

I think he's redundant in that he's best with short stuff over the middle in traffic where that role will be filled by AJ brown and goedert.

 

 

Won't hurt to have another big target in the redzone in Pascal to go along with Brown and Goedert who is also someone who cna effectively run block. 

6 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Goff is a good comparison for hurts in that everyone including the Rams could see that Goff was holding them back.

I think the eagles probably view hurts the same but they're not going to publicly say it.

Maybe hurts takes a bit of a statistical jump this year gets bounced in the playoffs again and has enough trade value to fool a stupid franchise, much like the lions to trade for him🤷‍♂️

I think it's pretty obvious to all but a few that Hurts isn't the guy.

I'll eat my hat if he is.

Just in case, I found this on Amazon:

7 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Dude can definitely put touch on the passes. 

My pick this year. 

33 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

What does that have to do with anything?  I was asking why it seems that's the type the go for.  The entire RB room is small.  Also, no one in this RB room could sniff Westbrooks jock.  

Because big RBs talented enough for the NFL are a very small population. And when that stud RB goes down, it greatly impacts what part of the offense a team can run.  The key is bursting through the hole and the vision to see the hole.  Holyfield was huge and strong but no burst, for example.  Do you really think Sanders 12 pound on six inches of height make him a much bigger back than Scott?  Now Gainwell struggled a bit with vision last year but showed flashes.  Scott shows vision.  The two UDFAs they brought in show vision. Heck, I thought that Sanders biggest issue last year was vision although I suspect his ankle made him a bit slow on his react.  Huntley has yet to display his vision so I am curious how he does on Friday night. 

4 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Won't hurt to have another big target in the redzone in Pascal to go along with Brown and Goedert who is also someone who cna effectively run block. 

True, he's a pretty good blocker too, and since JJAW isn't in that role at WR anymore Im guessing Pascal can do it.

22 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Further more, @austinfan, you want facts? 

How's this (and I'm not even pushing for Minshew to start, I think he's a good backup)

Minshew, with the same team around him that Hurts had:

20/25 242 yards, 2 TDs, 0 Ints, and 11.28 adjusted yards/attempt. 

But go on, tell us how Minshew's ceiling is Hurts floor.

Like, Hurts against the Giants:

14/31 129 yards, 0 TDs and 3 INTs.

Equally terrible teams. 

You can step off your high horse now. 

Yeah but were you a science major as an undergraduate then went into public policy and law? 

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Playing Jets the first pre-season game feels weird. It was always the light at the end of the tunnel for training camp, and the day or two after would be 53 cut down day. 

It's still weird to me that there's only 3 games now

The burning question to be answered in the coming weeks is will JJAW finally be cut?

2 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

The burning question to be answered in the coming weeks is will JJAW finally be cut?

Can’t wait for him to open up his own umbrella shop in center city… right next to the new sixers arena 

 

 

 

@EaglePhan1986

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Because big RBs talented enough for the NFL are a very small population. And when that stud RB goes down, it greatly impacts what part of the offense a team can run.  The key is bursting through the hole and the vision to see the hole.  Holyfield was huge and strong but no burst, for example.  Do you really think Sanders 12 pound on six inches of height make him a much bigger back than Scott?  Now Gainwell struggled a bit with vision last year but showed flashes.  Scott shows vision.  The two UDFAs they brought in show vision. Heck, I thought that Sanders biggest issue last year was vision although I suspect his ankle made him a bit slow on his react.  Huntley has yet to display his vision so I am curious how he does on Friday night. 

Yup, Sanders I think has the worst vision of the backs on the roster and was his biggest issue last year, not much help if one has burst to and through the hole if one can't find the hole.

I'm not sure Huntley so much lacks vision just seems he has the tendency to ignore or not trust those Inside holes and bounces it outside, and when he does he can really scoot.

Jordan Howard was valuable In that he had such great vision to get through the hole, he didn't have the burst to out run guys or the wiggle to make guys miss but he would consistently get the positive yards blocked for him where as Sanders at times was a detriment to the offense as he was going backwards or getting no gains.

I think Gainwell showed surprising inside running for a smaller guy, and Boston as you say has good vision but hes not a guy whose going to push a pile, he gets hit in the hole he's down.

Know nothing about the new guy except that he's small and caught a fair amount of passes in college 

Which seems Sirianni values in his backs.

Nyheim Hines has 40+ catches 4 years in a row 

Could see Gainwell being that guy in this offense 

26 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Well, how the hell would any of us know this? It's not like there's been any kind of open competition, it's been Hurts job since the day they drafted him in round 2. He pushed Wentz out the door, he's done nothing to "earn" a starting role, and for all the hooplah of Sirianni being a guy who oozes competition, he refuses to allow one at the most important position on the team.

There's something rotten in the state of Denmark. 

Wentz pushed Wentz out the door.  He got the yips and pushed away the coach when they tried to fix it.  It got to the point where they had to bench him and then instead of manning up (if I am allowed to say that in the 2020s), he became more petulant and demanded a trade.  Wentz cost the Eagles and cost Indianapolis in their decisions to trade him.  Maybe he’s matured but the past is his to own.   Now Hurts, being sort of the antiWentz, good work ethic, strong locker room leader, accepting of coaching, was probably easy for the Eagles to embrace, especially with Howie’s reach for him.  (Eagles under Howie and Lurie have shown a tendency to react like that, one need not look further that Pederson replacing Chip, Pederson being the antiChip).

37 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Or when he is the target and the ball hits him in the hands.

Well, I did say the other day that other than Smith, the Eagles receivers will have drops this year.  Brown, Watkins, Reagor and Pascal all have their share of drops.

27 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah but were you a science major as an undergraduate then went into public policy and law? 

 

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

I was a science major as an undergraduate, before I went into public policy, economics & law. I believe in following the evidence, changing your mind as new evidence becomes available, and that applies to politics as well as sports. I don't respect people who blatantly ignore facts in favor of their own prejudices.

As far as Hurts, he's the QB, moan all you want, we'll know by December whether he's improved enough to go forward with him. But there is no alternative, no one other than a few posters here thinks Minshew is a starting NFL QB. Heck, he's not in the same league with Fitzpatrick, who has built a nice career as a #21-32 type, good enough to start on bad teams, but ideally suited to #2 on good teams. That's Hurts' floor, that's Minshew's ceiling.

Jergens is a Kelce clone, with one difference, Jergens is significantly bigger and stronger and almost as athletic at 23 lbs heavier (weights when tested).

Kelce  6-3 280, 4.89   1.70    ---     4.14   7.22   30     9'2 [40, 10 split, reps, SS, cone, VT, LJ]

Jergens 6-3 303, 4.92   1.71    25     4.48   7.19   33   9’11

I think the transition to Jergens next season, if Kelce retires, will be seamless. The one thing Jergens will add is a stronger anchor against the pass rush. Of course, he's years away from having the experience and smarts of Kelce, but he has the raw tools to excel.

57 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

He didn't push Wentz out the door.  The Eagles and NS were prepared to go into last season working with Wentz.  Wentz decided he wanted out.  

Yes agreed Wentz wanted out....I think drafting Hurts in the 2nd, instead of using that valuable draft capital to actually help Wentz played some factor in that. Wentz isn't blameless, and I don't pretend that he is.