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FBI Raids Mar-A-Largo but ignores Pop Pop's much more egregious violations

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17 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Yeah, I mean, if that poll is accurate, it basically means at least two thirds of GQP voters have an undiagnosed mental illness. 

Then there's the GQP voters who believe Biden won the election but would still gladly vote for Trump again in 2024. Mental illness almost surely a factor there as well. Many such cases.

it's possible that they're just really f'n stupid and gullible. i mean...maybe they're not all mentally ill.  

maybe.

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    Just saw this.  Brought it back from the dead.   @Procus Don't delete very active threads because your feelies got hurt.

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Thursday hearing on unsealing the affidavit

 

3 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Every liberal in this thread rn:

Mental illness is sky high man and yes I do see it with my liberal friends.  Some of them you have to tip toe around because everything is offensive, older ones caught in the endless CNNN cycle which is at least 80% as poisonous as the crap Fox dumps out, and lastly others who haven't updated their thinking since the 80's and can't admit they are now conservative, stuck in an identity crises.  I'd say the left has gone crazy but then I see 10's of millions of conservatives junked out on conspiracy theories and the institutional church bowing to the decadent falseness of Trump and it's like , well, the world kinda went mad.

 

Oh btw I hate to break it to you, but if YOU haven't been diagnosed with a mental illness yet, chalk up another conservative who can't deal with self analysis.

6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Let's recap why we're here in this thread...

 

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Yeah, I know. They really have him this time! :lol: 

Just now, dawkins4prez said:

Mental illness is sky high man and yes I do see it with my liberal friends.  Some of them you have to tip toe around because everything is offensive, older ones caught in the endless CNNN cycle which is at least 80% as poisonous as the crap Fox dumps out, and lastly others who haven't updated their thinking since the 80's and can't admit they are now conservative, stuck in an identity crises.  I'd say the left has gone crazy but then I see 10's of millions of conservatives junked out on conspiracy theories and the institutional church bowing to the decadent falseness of Trump and it's like , well, the world kinda went mad.

 

Oh btw I hate to break it to you, but if YOU haven't been diagnosed with a mental illness yet, chalk up another conservative who can't deal with self analysis.

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24 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

The Wyoming primary is today and most Republicans in Wyoming think the election was stolen.  Liz Cheney is expected to lose.

She's down 30 points. All indications is that she will lose and run for the gop nomination. She has no chance, but if there's any chance they don't cancel the primaries, and if they have a debate, that would be must watch tv 

29 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

To you? I'd rather choke to death on vomit.

Something drunks often get to look forward to.

10 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

Mental illness is sky high man and yes I do see it with my liberal friends.  Some of them you have to tip toe around because everything is offensive, older ones caught in the endless CNNN cycle which is at least 80% as poisonous as the crap Fox dumps out, and lastly others who haven't updated their thinking since the 80's and can't admit they are now conservative, stuck in an identity crises.  I'd say the left has gone crazy but then I see 10's of millions of conservatives junked out on conspiracy theories and the institutional church bowing to the decadent falseness of Trump and it's like , well, the world kinda went mad.

 

Oh btw I hate to break it to you, but if YOU haven't been diagnosed with a mental illness yet, chalk up another conservative who can't deal with self analysis.

Still huffing the copium. That scientific data really hit you hard, bro. Hate to see it. :lol: 

1 minute ago, Kz! said:

Still huffing the copium. That scientific data really hit you hard, bro. Hate to see it. :lol: 

Easy there Galileo, it's just a poll.  

7 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

Something drunks often get to look forward to.

I'm sure you'd know. Being drunk is responsible for your conception in the first place.

satan! 

32 minutes ago, Gannan said:

She's down 30 points. All indications is that she will lose and run for the gop nomination. She has no chance, but if there's any chance they don't cancel the primaries, and if they have a debate, that would be must watch tv 

I’d pay to see her debate Trump.

5 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

satan! 

So Procus is the satan worshipper? Plot twist!

40 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Thursday hearing on unsealing the affidavit

 

If they're building a case against Trump to charge him then I don't know why anything else needs to be unsealed

 

24 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

They are afraid to take it to CVON because this is me in there the last few days

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hazleton thinks he is the Bruce Lee of CVON

5 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

 

:roll:

trump would stab his own family in the back if it would save him. 

 

and this is the kind of person these cucks worship. :roll:

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

hazleton thinks he is the Bruce Lee of CVON

more like bruce vilanch

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

hazleton thinks he is the Bruce Lee of CVON

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5 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

 

Odds on Meadows being the leak just went up bigly

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https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/trump-raid-mar-a-lago-precedent-20220815.html

The raid on Trump’s house could set a dangerous precedent

A nation can move pretty quickly from one where no ex-president has ever gone to jail to one where every ex-president goes to jail. That's a dark path for a republic.

A police car is seen outside former president Donald Trump's residence in Mar-A-Lago, Palm Beach, Fla., on Aug. 8.
A police car is seen outside former president Donald Trump's residence in Mar-A-Lago, Palm Beach, Fla., on Aug. 8.GIORGIO VIERA/AFP / MCT
by Kyle Sammin, For The Inquirer
Published 
Aug 15, 2022

The FBI raid on former president Donald Trump’s Florida home forces into the foreground several norms of American culture that, at times, contradict.

We have the idea that all criminals, no matter their social status, should answer for their crimes in court. But we also have the custom — separating us from many failed republics — that politicians should not use the justice system to punish their political enemies. Both of these norms have frayed in recent years; now, they threaten to fall apart completely.

The offense of which Trump is accused involves the Presidential Records Act, which requires the preservation of presidential documents. Allegedly, 15 boxes of presidential records ended up at Trump’s property in Mar-a-Lago, instead of the National Archives, where they belonged. If he may have broken the law, shouldn’t he be investigated? To say that he should not, simply because he once held high office, suggests a double standard, a separate set of rules for the rich and powerful. That answer cannot be satisfying to the American people.

» READ MORE: Hey, Trump GOPers, we don’t have to imagine what cops can do to everyday citizens

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But at the same time, when the Department of Justice under Joe Biden takes up the flag of "lock him up” against Biden’s 2020 opponent, it is not conspiratorial to question the motivation. Biden’s press secretary, Karine Jean-Pierre, says that the DOJ "conducts investigations independently and we leave any law enforcement matters to them.” No one at the White House "was given a heads up” about what happened on August 8 at Mar-a-Lago,” she also said.

But where was the decision made? How high up the chain of command did the discussion reach? If the buck does not stop with Biden, where does it stop? On Thursday, Attorney General Merrick Garland told the press that he personally approved the search warrant. That makes sense. When the FBI wanted to tap Martin Luther King’s phones in 1963, it required the Attorney General — Robert F. Kennedy — to approve the action (which he did). But did Biden know, or just his AG?

The question is important. Transparency is vital. If the people can see that Trump’s actions were so egregious as to require discarding a longstanding norm, then the action becomes more acceptable. And if they know who else knew of and approved the action, they can judge for themselves whether the decision-making was impartial.

As it stands now, even some who are unfriendly to Trump question the raid. Former New York governor Andrew Cuomo tweeted, "DOJ must immediately explain the reason for its raid & it must be more than a search for inconsequential archives or it will be viewed as a political tactic and undermine any future credible investigation & legitimacy of January 6 investigations.” Andrew Yang thought the raid would likely backfire on the administration. "It looks increasingly like the FBI raid was to find mishandled classified documents and not some other DOJ investigation which was my first thought,” he wrote on Twitter the following day. "Mishandling documents doesn’t seem like raid material. It does however seem like excellent campaign material for Trump.”

"Even some who are unfriendly to Trump question the raid.”

Kyle Sammin

How it looks politically is less important than what it actually is, but when we talk about trust in our nation’s institutions, we are talking about both perception and reality. For the justice system to be trusted, it must be fair and impartial, and it must be seen to be fair and impartial.

The solution should be one familiar to us for the past 50 years: the appointment of a special counsel. If Trump’s crimes are serious, the implications of that mean that they must be elevated from the ordinary level of bureaucracy and into the hands of someone better equipped to weigh all of the factors. The special counsel is also more isolated from political pressures in the way that Garland and other high-ranking DOJ political appointees are not and can thereby avoid conflicts of interest.

ADVERTISEMENT
 

Is mismanagement of records enough to justify all that? We cannot say for sure without getting more of the facts from DOJ. The warrant is now unsealed — a good first step — but many more questions remain about what led the DOJ to take such drastic action.

The Mar-a-Lago raid raised the temperature in an already boiling political climate. Not everyone reading this will be willing to extend a great deal of sympathy to Donald Trump — fair enough. But if Trump’s toppling of norms bothered you, this raid should, too.

If this becomes the normal course of affairs, do not be surprised when the next Republican Attorney General authorizes a raid on Biden’s house to investigate any number of plausible allegations involving Biden’s son Hunter. The same justifications would apply, and partisans would quickly reverse their previous positions to protect their own side.

A nation can move pretty quickly from one where no ex-president has ever gone to jail to one where every ex-president goes to jail. That’s a dark path for a republic, and one America has managed to avoid until now.

 
 
 
 

Kyle Sammin is editor-at-large at Broad + Liberty.

Published 
Aug. 15, 2022
KS
Kyle Sammin, For The Inquirer
Just now, DEagle7 said:

Odds on Meadows being the leak just went up bigly

let them take each other out from within. 

2 minutes ago, Procus said:

 

A nation can move pretty quickly from one where no ex-president has ever gone to jail to one where every ex-president goes to jail. That's a dark path for a republic.

Only one issue, only one ex president is a serial law breaker.

2 minutes ago, Procus said:

https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/trump-raid-mar-a-lago-precedent-20220815.html

The raid on Trump’s house could set a dangerous precedent

A nation can move pretty quickly from one where no ex-president has ever gone to jail to one where every ex-president goes to jail. That's a dark path for a republic.

A police car is seen outside former president Donald Trump's residence in Mar-A-Lago, Palm Beach, Fla., on Aug. 8.
A police car is seen outside former president Donald Trump's residence in Mar-A-Lago, Palm Beach, Fla., on Aug. 8.GIORGIO VIERA/AFP / MCT
by Kyle Sammin, For The Inquirer
Published 
Aug 15, 2022

The FBI raid on former president Donald Trump’s Florida home forces into the foreground several norms of American culture that, at times, contradict.

We have the idea that all criminals, no matter their social status, should answer for their crimes in court. But we also have the custom — separating us from many failed republics — that politicians should not use the justice system to punish their political enemies. Both of these norms have frayed in recent years; now, they threaten to fall apart completely.

The offense of which Trump is accused involves the Presidential Records Act, which requires the preservation of presidential documents. Allegedly, 15 boxes of presidential records ended up at Trump’s property in Mar-a-Lago, instead of the National Archives, where they belonged. If he may have broken the law, shouldn’t he be investigated? To say that he should not, simply because he once held high office, suggests a double standard, a separate set of rules for the rich and powerful. That answer cannot be satisfying to the American people.

» READ MORE: Hey, Trump GOPers, we don’t have to imagine what cops can do to everyday citizens

ADVERTISEMENT
 

But at the same time, when the Department of Justice under Joe Biden takes up the flag of "lock him up” against Biden’s 2020 opponent, it is not conspiratorial to question the motivation. Biden’s press secretary, Karine Jean-Pierre, says that the DOJ "conducts investigations independently and we leave any law enforcement matters to them.” No one at the White House "was given a heads up” about what happened on August 8 at Mar-a-Lago,” she also said.

But where was the decision made? How high up the chain of command did the discussion reach? If the buck does not stop with Biden, where does it stop? On Thursday, Attorney General Merrick Garland told the press that he personally approved the search warrant. That makes sense. When the FBI wanted to tap Martin Luther King’s phones in 1963, it required the Attorney General — Robert F. Kennedy — to approve the action (which he did). But did Biden know, or just his AG?

The question is important. Transparency is vital. If the people can see that Trump’s actions were so egregious as to require discarding a longstanding norm, then the action becomes more acceptable. And if they know who else knew of and approved the action, they can judge for themselves whether the decision-making was impartial.

As it stands now, even some who are unfriendly to Trump question the raid. Former New York governor Andrew Cuomo tweeted, "DOJ must immediately explain the reason for its raid & it must be more than a search for inconsequential archives or it will be viewed as a political tactic and undermine any future credible investigation & legitimacy of January 6 investigations.” Andrew Yang thought the raid would likely backfire on the administration. "It looks increasingly like the FBI raid was to find mishandled classified documents and not some other DOJ investigation which was my first thought,” he wrote on Twitter the following day. "Mishandling documents doesn’t seem like raid material. It does however seem like excellent campaign material for Trump.”

"Even some who are unfriendly to Trump question the raid.”

Kyle Sammin

How it looks politically is less important than what it actually is, but when we talk about trust in our nation’s institutions, we are talking about both perception and reality. For the justice system to be trusted, it must be fair and impartial, and it must be seen to be fair and impartial.

The solution should be one familiar to us for the past 50 years: the appointment of a special counsel. If Trump’s crimes are serious, the implications of that mean that they must be elevated from the ordinary level of bureaucracy and into the hands of someone better equipped to weigh all of the factors. The special counsel is also more isolated from political pressures in the way that Garland and other high-ranking DOJ political appointees are not and can thereby avoid conflicts of interest.

ADVERTISEMENT
 

Is mismanagement of records enough to justify all that? We cannot say for sure without getting more of the facts from DOJ. The warrant is now unsealed — a good first step — but many more questions remain about what led the DOJ to take such drastic action.

The Mar-a-Lago raid raised the temperature in an already boiling political climate. Not everyone reading this will be willing to extend a great deal of sympathy to Donald Trump — fair enough. But if Trump’s toppling of norms bothered you, this raid should, too.

If this becomes the normal course of affairs, do not be surprised when the next Republican Attorney General authorizes a raid on Biden’s house to investigate any number of plausible allegations involving Biden’s son Hunter. The same justifications would apply, and partisans would quickly reverse their previous positions to protect their own side.

A nation can move pretty quickly from one where no ex-president has ever gone to jail to one where every ex-president goes to jail. That’s a dark path for a republic, and one America has managed to avoid until now.

 
 
 
 

Kyle Sammin is editor-at-large at Broad + Liberty.

Published 
Aug. 15, 2022
KS
Kyle Sammin, For The Inquirer

Thanks for this.  I'll be ready this hurricane season.

2 minutes ago, Procus said:

https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/trump-raid-mar-a-lago-precedent-20220815.html

The raid on Trump’s house could set a dangerous precedent

A nation can move pretty quickly from one where no ex-president has ever gone to jail to one where every ex-president goes to jail. That's a dark path for a republic.

A police car is seen outside former president Donald Trump's residence in Mar-A-Lago, Palm Beach, Fla., on Aug. 8.
A police car is seen outside former president Donald Trump's residence in Mar-A-Lago, Palm Beach, Fla., on Aug. 8.GIORGIO VIERA/AFP / MCT
by Kyle Sammin, For The Inquirer
Published 
Aug 15, 2022

The FBI raid on former president Donald Trump’s Florida home forces into the foreground several norms of American culture that, at times, contradict.

We have the idea that all criminals, no matter their social status, should answer for their crimes in court. But we also have the custom — separating us from many failed republics — that politicians should not use the justice system to punish their political enemies. Both of these norms have frayed in recent years; now, they threaten to fall apart completely.

The offense of which Trump is accused involves the Presidential Records Act, which requires the preservation of presidential documents. Allegedly, 15 boxes of presidential records ended up at Trump’s property in Mar-a-Lago, instead of the National Archives, where they belonged. If he may have broken the law, shouldn’t he be investigated? To say that he should not, simply because he once held high office, suggests a double standard, a separate set of rules for the rich and powerful. That answer cannot be satisfying to the American people.

» READ MORE: Hey, Trump GOPers, we don’t have to imagine what cops can do to everyday citizens

ADVERTISEMENT
 

But at the same time, when the Department of Justice under Joe Biden takes up the flag of "lock him up” against Biden’s 2020 opponent, it is not conspiratorial to question the motivation. Biden’s press secretary, Karine Jean-Pierre, says that the DOJ "conducts investigations independently and we leave any law enforcement matters to them.” No one at the White House "was given a heads up” about what happened on August 8 at Mar-a-Lago,” she also said.

But where was the decision made? How high up the chain of command did the discussion reach? If the buck does not stop with Biden, where does it stop? On Thursday, Attorney General Merrick Garland told the press that he personally approved the search warrant. That makes sense. When the FBI wanted to tap Martin Luther King’s phones in 1963, it required the Attorney General — Robert F. Kennedy — to approve the action (which he did). But did Biden know, or just his AG?

The question is important. Transparency is vital. If the people can see that Trump’s actions were so egregious as to require discarding a longstanding norm, then the action becomes more acceptable. And if they know who else knew of and approved the action, they can judge for themselves whether the decision-making was impartial.

As it stands now, even some who are unfriendly to Trump question the raid. Former New York governor Andrew Cuomo tweeted, "DOJ must immediately explain the reason for its raid & it must be more than a search for inconsequential archives or it will be viewed as a political tactic and undermine any future credible investigation & legitimacy of January 6 investigations.” Andrew Yang thought the raid would likely backfire on the administration. "It looks increasingly like the FBI raid was to find mishandled classified documents and not some other DOJ investigation which was my first thought,” he wrote on Twitter the following day. "Mishandling documents doesn’t seem like raid material. It does however seem like excellent campaign material for Trump.”

"Even some who are unfriendly to Trump question the raid.”

Kyle Sammin

How it looks politically is less important than what it actually is, but when we talk about trust in our nation’s institutions, we are talking about both perception and reality. For the justice system to be trusted, it must be fair and impartial, and it must be seen to be fair and impartial.

The solution should be one familiar to us for the past 50 years: the appointment of a special counsel. If Trump’s crimes are serious, the implications of that mean that they must be elevated from the ordinary level of bureaucracy and into the hands of someone better equipped to weigh all of the factors. The special counsel is also more isolated from political pressures in the way that Garland and other high-ranking DOJ political appointees are not and can thereby avoid conflicts of interest.

ADVERTISEMENT
 

Is mismanagement of records enough to justify all that? We cannot say for sure without getting more of the facts from DOJ. The warrant is now unsealed — a good first step — but many more questions remain about what led the DOJ to take such drastic action.

The Mar-a-Lago raid raised the temperature in an already boiling political climate. Not everyone reading this will be willing to extend a great deal of sympathy to Donald Trump — fair enough. But if Trump’s toppling of norms bothered you, this raid should, too.

If this becomes the normal course of affairs, do not be surprised when the next Republican Attorney General authorizes a raid on Biden’s house to investigate any number of plausible allegations involving Biden’s son Hunter. The same justifications would apply, and partisans would quickly reverse their previous positions to protect their own side.

A nation can move pretty quickly from one where no ex-president has ever gone to jail to one where every ex-president goes to jail. That’s a dark path for a republic, and one America has managed to avoid until now.

 
 
 
 

Kyle Sammin is editor-at-large at Broad + Liberty.

Published 
Aug. 15, 2022
KS
Kyle Sammin, For The Inquirer

someone is pissy that his hero couldnt get the job done with hilary. 

12 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

 

"Mark, how dare you put all these nuclear secrets in my personal safe in my office!" :lol: 

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