August 16, 20224 yr 17 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Yeah, I mean, if that poll is accurate, it basically means at least two thirds of GQP voters have an undiagnosed mental illness. Then there's the GQP voters who believe Biden won the election but would still gladly vote for Trump again in 2024. Mental illness almost surely a factor there as well. Many such cases. it's possible that they're just really f'n stupid and gullible. i mean...maybe they're not all mentally ill. maybe.
August 16, 20224 yr 3 minutes ago, Kz! said: Every liberal in this thread rn: Mental illness is sky high man and yes I do see it with my liberal friends. Some of them you have to tip toe around because everything is offensive, older ones caught in the endless CNNN cycle which is at least 80% as poisonous as the crap Fox dumps out, and lastly others who haven't updated their thinking since the 80's and can't admit they are now conservative, stuck in an identity crises. I'd say the left has gone crazy but then I see 10's of millions of conservatives junked out on conspiracy theories and the institutional church bowing to the decadent falseness of Trump and it's like , well, the world kinda went mad. Oh btw I hate to break it to you, but if YOU haven't been diagnosed with a mental illness yet, chalk up another conservative who can't deal with self analysis.
August 16, 20224 yr 6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Let's recap why we're here in this thread... Yeah, I know. They really have him this time!
August 16, 20224 yr Just now, dawkins4prez said: Mental illness is sky high man and yes I do see it with my liberal friends. Some of them you have to tip toe around because everything is offensive, older ones caught in the endless CNNN cycle which is at least 80% as poisonous as the crap Fox dumps out, and lastly others who haven't updated their thinking since the 80's and can't admit they are now conservative, stuck in an identity crises. I'd say the left has gone crazy but then I see 10's of millions of conservatives junked out on conspiracy theories and the institutional church bowing to the decadent falseness of Trump and it's like , well, the world kinda went mad. Oh btw I hate to break it to you, but if YOU haven't been diagnosed with a mental illness yet, chalk up another conservative who can't deal with self analysis.
August 16, 20224 yr 24 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: The Wyoming primary is today and most Republicans in Wyoming think the election was stolen. Liz Cheney is expected to lose. She's down 30 points. All indications is that she will lose and run for the gop nomination. She has no chance, but if there's any chance they don't cancel the primaries, and if they have a debate, that would be must watch tv
August 16, 20224 yr 29 minutes ago, lynched1 said: To you? I'd rather choke to death on vomit. Something drunks often get to look forward to.
August 16, 20224 yr 10 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said: Mental illness is sky high man and yes I do see it with my liberal friends. Some of them you have to tip toe around because everything is offensive, older ones caught in the endless CNNN cycle which is at least 80% as poisonous as the crap Fox dumps out, and lastly others who haven't updated their thinking since the 80's and can't admit they are now conservative, stuck in an identity crises. I'd say the left has gone crazy but then I see 10's of millions of conservatives junked out on conspiracy theories and the institutional church bowing to the decadent falseness of Trump and it's like , well, the world kinda went mad. Oh btw I hate to break it to you, but if YOU haven't been diagnosed with a mental illness yet, chalk up another conservative who can't deal with self analysis. Still huffing the copium. That scientific data really hit you hard, bro. Hate to see it.
August 16, 20224 yr 1 minute ago, Kz! said: Still huffing the copium. That scientific data really hit you hard, bro. Hate to see it. Easy there Galileo, it's just a poll.
August 16, 20224 yr 7 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Something drunks often get to look forward to. I'm sure you'd know. Being drunk is responsible for your conception in the first place.
August 16, 20224 yr 32 minutes ago, Gannan said: She's down 30 points. All indications is that she will lose and run for the gop nomination. She has no chance, but if there's any chance they don't cancel the primaries, and if they have a debate, that would be must watch tv I’d pay to see her debate Trump.
August 16, 20224 yr 5 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: satan! So Procus is the satan worshipper? Plot twist!
August 16, 20224 yr 40 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Thursday hearing on unsealing the affidavit If they're building a case against Trump to charge him then I don't know why anything else needs to be unsealed
August 16, 20224 yr 24 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said: They are afraid to take it to CVON because this is me in there the last few days hazleton thinks he is the Bruce Lee of CVON
August 16, 20224 yr 5 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: trump would stab his own family in the back if it would save him. and this is the kind of person these cucks worship. 4 minutes ago, downundermike said: hazleton thinks he is the Bruce Lee of CVON more like bruce vilanch
August 16, 20224 yr Author https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/trump-raid-mar-a-lago-precedent-20220815.html The raid on Trump’s house could set a dangerous precedent A nation can move pretty quickly from one where no ex-president has ever gone to jail to one where every ex-president goes to jail. That's a dark path for a republic. A police car is seen outside former president Donald Trump's residence in Mar-A-Lago, Palm Beach, Fla., on Aug. 8.GIORGIO VIERA/AFP / MCT by Kyle Sammin, For The Inquirer Published Aug 15, 2022 The FBI raid on former president Donald Trump’s Florida home forces into the foreground several norms of American culture that, at times, contradict. We have the idea that all criminals, no matter their social status, should answer for their crimes in court. But we also have the custom — separating us from many failed republics — that politicians should not use the justice system to punish their political enemies. Both of these norms have frayed in recent years; now, they threaten to fall apart completely. The offense of which Trump is accused involves the Presidential Records Act, which requires the preservation of presidential documents. Allegedly, 15 boxes of presidential records ended up at Trump’s property in Mar-a-Lago, instead of the National Archives, where they belonged. If he may have broken the law, shouldn’t he be investigated? To say that he should not, simply because he once held high office, suggests a double standard, a separate set of rules for the rich and powerful. That answer cannot be satisfying to the American people. » READ MORE: Hey, Trump GOPers, we don’t have to imagine what cops can do to everyday citizens ADVERTISEMENT But at the same time, when the Department of Justice under Joe Biden takes up the flag of "lock him up” against Biden’s 2020 opponent, it is not conspiratorial to question the motivation. Biden’s press secretary, Karine Jean-Pierre, says that the DOJ "conducts investigations independently and we leave any law enforcement matters to them.” No one at the White House "was given a heads up” about what happened on August 8 at Mar-a-Lago,” she also said. But where was the decision made? How high up the chain of command did the discussion reach? If the buck does not stop with Biden, where does it stop? On Thursday, Attorney General Merrick Garland told the press that he personally approved the search warrant. That makes sense. When the FBI wanted to tap Martin Luther King’s phones in 1963, it required the Attorney General — Robert F. Kennedy — to approve the action (which he did). But did Biden know, or just his AG? SPONSORED CONTENT 4 Flood Facts You Should Know This Hurricane Season by National Flood Insurance Program The question is important. Transparency is vital. If the people can see that Trump’s actions were so egregious as to require discarding a longstanding norm, then the action becomes more acceptable. And if they know who else knew of and approved the action, they can judge for themselves whether the decision-making was impartial. As it stands now, even some who are unfriendly to Trump question the raid. Former New York governor Andrew Cuomo tweeted, "DOJ must immediately explain the reason for its raid & it must be more than a search for inconsequential archives or it will be viewed as a political tactic and undermine any future credible investigation & legitimacy of January 6 investigations.” Andrew Yang thought the raid would likely backfire on the administration. "It looks increasingly like the FBI raid was to find mishandled classified documents and not some other DOJ investigation which was my first thought,” he wrote on Twitter the following day. "Mishandling documents doesn’t seem like raid material. It does however seem like excellent campaign material for Trump.” "Even some who are unfriendly to Trump question the raid.” Kyle Sammin How it looks politically is less important than what it actually is, but when we talk about trust in our nation’s institutions, we are talking about both perception and reality. For the justice system to be trusted, it must be fair and impartial, and it must be seen to be fair and impartial. The solution should be one familiar to us for the past 50 years: the appointment of a special counsel. If Trump’s crimes are serious, the implications of that mean that they must be elevated from the ordinary level of bureaucracy and into the hands of someone better equipped to weigh all of the factors. The special counsel is also more isolated from political pressures in the way that Garland and other high-ranking DOJ political appointees are not and can thereby avoid conflicts of interest. ADVERTISEMENT Is mismanagement of records enough to justify all that? We cannot say for sure without getting more of the facts from DOJ. The warrant is now unsealed — a good first step — but many more questions remain about what led the DOJ to take such drastic action. The Mar-a-Lago raid raised the temperature in an already boiling political climate. Not everyone reading this will be willing to extend a great deal of sympathy to Donald Trump — fair enough. But if Trump’s toppling of norms bothered you, this raid should, too. If this becomes the normal course of affairs, do not be surprised when the next Republican Attorney General authorizes a raid on Biden’s house to investigate any number of plausible allegations involving Biden’s son Hunter. The same justifications would apply, and partisans would quickly reverse their previous positions to protect their own side. A nation can move pretty quickly from one where no ex-president has ever gone to jail to one where every ex-president goes to jail. That’s a dark path for a republic, and one America has managed to avoid until now. Kyle Sammin is editor-at-large at Broad + Liberty. Published Aug. 15, 2022 KS Kyle Sammin, For The Inquirer
August 16, 20224 yr Just now, DEagle7 said: Odds on Meadows being the leak just went up bigly let them take each other out from within.
August 16, 20224 yr 2 minutes ago, Procus said: A nation can move pretty quickly from one where no ex-president has ever gone to jail to one where every ex-president goes to jail. That's a dark path for a republic. Only one issue, only one ex president is a serial law breaker.
August 16, 20224 yr 2 minutes ago, Procus said: https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/trump-raid-mar-a-lago-precedent-20220815.html The raid on Trump’s house could set a dangerous precedent A nation can move pretty quickly from one where no ex-president has ever gone to jail to one where every ex-president goes to jail. That's a dark path for a republic. A police car is seen outside former president Donald Trump's residence in Mar-A-Lago, Palm Beach, Fla., on Aug. 8.GIORGIO VIERA/AFP / MCT by Kyle Sammin, For The Inquirer Published Aug 15, 2022 The FBI raid on former president Donald Trump’s Florida home forces into the foreground several norms of American culture that, at times, contradict. We have the idea that all criminals, no matter their social status, should answer for their crimes in court. But we also have the custom — separating us from many failed republics — that politicians should not use the justice system to punish their political enemies. Both of these norms have frayed in recent years; now, they threaten to fall apart completely. The offense of which Trump is accused involves the Presidential Records Act, which requires the preservation of presidential documents. Allegedly, 15 boxes of presidential records ended up at Trump’s property in Mar-a-Lago, instead of the National Archives, where they belonged. If he may have broken the law, shouldn’t he be investigated? To say that he should not, simply because he once held high office, suggests a double standard, a separate set of rules for the rich and powerful. That answer cannot be satisfying to the American people. » READ MORE: Hey, Trump GOPers, we don’t have to imagine what cops can do to everyday citizens ADVERTISEMENT But at the same time, when the Department of Justice under Joe Biden takes up the flag of "lock him up” against Biden’s 2020 opponent, it is not conspiratorial to question the motivation. Biden’s press secretary, Karine Jean-Pierre, says that the DOJ "conducts investigations independently and we leave any law enforcement matters to them.” No one at the White House "was given a heads up” about what happened on August 8 at Mar-a-Lago,” she also said. But where was the decision made? How high up the chain of command did the discussion reach? If the buck does not stop with Biden, where does it stop? On Thursday, Attorney General Merrick Garland told the press that he personally approved the search warrant. That makes sense. When the FBI wanted to tap Martin Luther King’s phones in 1963, it required the Attorney General — Robert F. Kennedy — to approve the action (which he did). But did Biden know, or just his AG? SPONSORED CONTENT 4 Flood Facts You Should Know This Hurricane Season by National Flood Insurance Program The question is important. Transparency is vital. If the people can see that Trump’s actions were so egregious as to require discarding a longstanding norm, then the action becomes more acceptable. And if they know who else knew of and approved the action, they can judge for themselves whether the decision-making was impartial. As it stands now, even some who are unfriendly to Trump question the raid. Former New York governor Andrew Cuomo tweeted, "DOJ must immediately explain the reason for its raid & it must be more than a search for inconsequential archives or it will be viewed as a political tactic and undermine any future credible investigation & legitimacy of January 6 investigations.” Andrew Yang thought the raid would likely backfire on the administration. "It looks increasingly like the FBI raid was to find mishandled classified documents and not some other DOJ investigation which was my first thought,” he wrote on Twitter the following day. "Mishandling documents doesn’t seem like raid material. It does however seem like excellent campaign material for Trump.” "Even some who are unfriendly to Trump question the raid.” Kyle Sammin How it looks politically is less important than what it actually is, but when we talk about trust in our nation’s institutions, we are talking about both perception and reality. For the justice system to be trusted, it must be fair and impartial, and it must be seen to be fair and impartial. The solution should be one familiar to us for the past 50 years: the appointment of a special counsel. If Trump’s crimes are serious, the implications of that mean that they must be elevated from the ordinary level of bureaucracy and into the hands of someone better equipped to weigh all of the factors. The special counsel is also more isolated from political pressures in the way that Garland and other high-ranking DOJ political appointees are not and can thereby avoid conflicts of interest. ADVERTISEMENT Is mismanagement of records enough to justify all that? We cannot say for sure without getting more of the facts from DOJ. The warrant is now unsealed — a good first step — but many more questions remain about what led the DOJ to take such drastic action. The Mar-a-Lago raid raised the temperature in an already boiling political climate. Not everyone reading this will be willing to extend a great deal of sympathy to Donald Trump — fair enough. But if Trump’s toppling of norms bothered you, this raid should, too. If this becomes the normal course of affairs, do not be surprised when the next Republican Attorney General authorizes a raid on Biden’s house to investigate any number of plausible allegations involving Biden’s son Hunter. The same justifications would apply, and partisans would quickly reverse their previous positions to protect their own side. A nation can move pretty quickly from one where no ex-president has ever gone to jail to one where every ex-president goes to jail. That’s a dark path for a republic, and one America has managed to avoid until now. Kyle Sammin is editor-at-large at Broad + Liberty. Published Aug. 15, 2022 KS Kyle Sammin, For The Inquirer Thanks for this. I'll be ready this hurricane season.
August 16, 20224 yr 2 minutes ago, Procus said: https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/commentary/trump-raid-mar-a-lago-precedent-20220815.html The raid on Trump’s house could set a dangerous precedent A nation can move pretty quickly from one where no ex-president has ever gone to jail to one where every ex-president goes to jail. That's a dark path for a republic. A police car is seen outside former president Donald Trump's residence in Mar-A-Lago, Palm Beach, Fla., on Aug. 8.GIORGIO VIERA/AFP / MCT by Kyle Sammin, For The Inquirer Published Aug 15, 2022 The FBI raid on former president Donald Trump’s Florida home forces into the foreground several norms of American culture that, at times, contradict. We have the idea that all criminals, no matter their social status, should answer for their crimes in court. But we also have the custom — separating us from many failed republics — that politicians should not use the justice system to punish their political enemies. Both of these norms have frayed in recent years; now, they threaten to fall apart completely. The offense of which Trump is accused involves the Presidential Records Act, which requires the preservation of presidential documents. Allegedly, 15 boxes of presidential records ended up at Trump’s property in Mar-a-Lago, instead of the National Archives, where they belonged. If he may have broken the law, shouldn’t he be investigated? To say that he should not, simply because he once held high office, suggests a double standard, a separate set of rules for the rich and powerful. That answer cannot be satisfying to the American people. » READ MORE: Hey, Trump GOPers, we don’t have to imagine what cops can do to everyday citizens ADVERTISEMENT But at the same time, when the Department of Justice under Joe Biden takes up the flag of "lock him up” against Biden’s 2020 opponent, it is not conspiratorial to question the motivation. Biden’s press secretary, Karine Jean-Pierre, says that the DOJ "conducts investigations independently and we leave any law enforcement matters to them.” No one at the White House "was given a heads up” about what happened on August 8 at Mar-a-Lago,” she also said. But where was the decision made? How high up the chain of command did the discussion reach? If the buck does not stop with Biden, where does it stop? On Thursday, Attorney General Merrick Garland told the press that he personally approved the search warrant. That makes sense. When the FBI wanted to tap Martin Luther King’s phones in 1963, it required the Attorney General — Robert F. Kennedy — to approve the action (which he did). But did Biden know, or just his AG? SPONSORED CONTENT 4 Flood Facts You Should Know This Hurricane Season by National Flood Insurance Program The question is important. Transparency is vital. If the people can see that Trump’s actions were so egregious as to require discarding a longstanding norm, then the action becomes more acceptable. And if they know who else knew of and approved the action, they can judge for themselves whether the decision-making was impartial. As it stands now, even some who are unfriendly to Trump question the raid. Former New York governor Andrew Cuomo tweeted, "DOJ must immediately explain the reason for its raid & it must be more than a search for inconsequential archives or it will be viewed as a political tactic and undermine any future credible investigation & legitimacy of January 6 investigations.” Andrew Yang thought the raid would likely backfire on the administration. "It looks increasingly like the FBI raid was to find mishandled classified documents and not some other DOJ investigation which was my first thought,” he wrote on Twitter the following day. "Mishandling documents doesn’t seem like raid material. It does however seem like excellent campaign material for Trump.” "Even some who are unfriendly to Trump question the raid.” Kyle Sammin How it looks politically is less important than what it actually is, but when we talk about trust in our nation’s institutions, we are talking about both perception and reality. For the justice system to be trusted, it must be fair and impartial, and it must be seen to be fair and impartial. The solution should be one familiar to us for the past 50 years: the appointment of a special counsel. If Trump’s crimes are serious, the implications of that mean that they must be elevated from the ordinary level of bureaucracy and into the hands of someone better equipped to weigh all of the factors. The special counsel is also more isolated from political pressures in the way that Garland and other high-ranking DOJ political appointees are not and can thereby avoid conflicts of interest. ADVERTISEMENT Is mismanagement of records enough to justify all that? We cannot say for sure without getting more of the facts from DOJ. The warrant is now unsealed — a good first step — but many more questions remain about what led the DOJ to take such drastic action. The Mar-a-Lago raid raised the temperature in an already boiling political climate. Not everyone reading this will be willing to extend a great deal of sympathy to Donald Trump — fair enough. But if Trump’s toppling of norms bothered you, this raid should, too. If this becomes the normal course of affairs, do not be surprised when the next Republican Attorney General authorizes a raid on Biden’s house to investigate any number of plausible allegations involving Biden’s son Hunter. The same justifications would apply, and partisans would quickly reverse their previous positions to protect their own side. A nation can move pretty quickly from one where no ex-president has ever gone to jail to one where every ex-president goes to jail. That’s a dark path for a republic, and one America has managed to avoid until now. Kyle Sammin is editor-at-large at Broad + Liberty. Published Aug. 15, 2022 KS Kyle Sammin, For The Inquirer someone is pissy that his hero couldnt get the job done with hilary.
August 16, 20224 yr 12 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: "Mark, how dare you put all these nuclear secrets in my personal safe in my office!"
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