1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Where’s @Bacarty2? It’s Steelers week! 

Pretty sure he got suspended. @Moderator6?

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

Your move Howie.............

 

 

He already made one

3 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Where’s @Bacarty2? It’s Steelers week! 

 

@LeanMeanGM

Steelers 30

Eagles 24

Pickett 3 TDs

Several months ago I came across a post with the basic rules for how the cap works.

 

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1. salary counts against the salary cap the year it's paid.
2. signing bonuses are divided evenly across the length of the deal, with a maximum of five years.
3. if a player leaves the team for almost any reason, all signing bonus money that's still "counting" against future years accelerates to the team's cap that year.
4. if a player has any guaranteed salary in future years, it "accelerates" if he's cut, but travels to the new team if he's traded.
5. cumulatively, points 3 and 4 are what people are talking about when they mention "dead money"--the amount of money that counts towards a teams cap for players who are no longer on their rosters.
6. incentives are probably the most complicated part: they're categorized as either "likely to be earned" or "not likely to be earned," based on whether the player would have earned them in the previous season. if they're likely, they count against that season's cap. if they're not likely, they don't. if the player fails to earn a "likely to be earned" incentive, the team gets a credit the following year; if he does earn a "not likely to be earned" the team gets charged for it the next year. so if tom brady had a "win the super bowl" incentive in his 2021 year, it would have been considered "Likely To Be Earned," and it would have counted against Tampa Bay's cap. They would then get a credit for that amount in 2022, because he didn't meet that incentive..

 

 

The part I don't fully understand is dead money. According to this, it would fall under rule 3 & 4. Which says signing bonus and guaranteed money accelerates to the teams cap that year when the player is cut. But the Birds still have a $5mm+ cap hit from Alshon Jeffery this year, so what is being spread out over the years if its supposed to accelerate to the year the player gets cut?

Thought of a potential RB name I haven't seen anyone bring up that I think could be a fit: AJ Dillon.

Packers stink this year, he's a guy who has more size than current Eagles RBs. And he has experience sharing touches, so he'd fit in here. Not sure if Packers would move him.

@LeanMeanGM

Steelers 26

Eagles 17

Hurts two turnovers

8 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Several months ago I came across a post with the basic rules for how the cap works.

 

 

The part I don't fully understand is dead money. According to this, it would fall under rule 3 & 4. Which says signing bonus and guaranteed money accelerates to the teams cap that year when the player is cut. But the Birds still have a $5mm+ cap hit from Alshon Jeffery this year, so what is being spread out over the years if its supposed to accelerate to the year the player gets cut?

The league lets you split dead money over two years if you 'officially' make the trade/cut after June 1st.  They cut Jeffery with a $10M obligation on June 1st last year.  So $5M (half) is being recognized in 2022.

https://theeagleswire.usatoday.com/2021/01/04/alshon-jeffery-contract-restructure-philadelphia-eagles-2021/

13 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

@LeanMeanGM

Steelers 26

Eagles 17

Hurts two turnovers

This isn't the Phillies Thread.  

15 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Several months ago I came across a post with the basic rules for how the cap works.

 

 

The part I don't fully understand is dead money. According to this, it would fall under rule 3 & 4. Which says signing bonus and guaranteed money accelerates to the teams cap that year when the player is cut. But the Birds still have a $5mm+ cap hit from Alshon Jeffery this year, so what is being spread out over the years if its supposed to accelerate to the year the player gets cut?

Jeffery was post June 1st

2 minutes ago, Captain F said:

This isn't the Phillies Thread.  

This is where I started that every week

50 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Once again, not what I said, all I asked was for you to show me some math.

I guess you can't, so I will move on.

What he won't say now, for reasons unknown, is that Lane ($14M) and Slay ($17M) have large base salaries in 2023 that are likely to be restructured to create additional cap room.

That is a reasonable assumption to make, but it's not a guarantee to get us to $40M.  Some of that money, if converted to bonuses, will still need to hit in 2023.

And there is the large QB contract on the horizon that may make Howie choose to eat more than expected in 2023.

 

51 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Nice try. Now that you know you are wrong, you try to change the discussion.

You said they will have $13.5 million to sign free agents in 2023. They will actually have much more than that.

You were wrong, and your 2024 figure was wrong, by a massive amount.

downundermike's statement "Eagles with rollover from this year will have 13.15 million in cap space next year." is accurate right now.  The audience is welcome to apply their expectations to what the cap room may be next winter.  No need to bludgeon someone for it.  

39 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

 

 

Yes, until they restructure any contracts or make any cuts, that is what they have.

Obviously I realize they can create more, that is why I have asked you at least 5 times to show me some math of getting to 40 million.

You obviously can't, that is why you wont.

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

downundermike's statement "Eagles with rollover from this year will have 13.15 million in cap space next year." is accurate right now.  The audience is welcome to apply their expectations to what the cap room may be next winter.  No need to bludgeon someone for it.  

As I stated above.  He just wants to make statements about what they can potentially have, but has no idea how it would actually happen.

Actually, the reason he wont do it is I will take that info, and show the worse problem that will be created in 2024.

 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Wait, so there isn’t some concussion conspiracy? 

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

As I stated above.  He just wants to make statements about what they can potentially have, but has no idea how it would actually happen.

Actually, the reason he wont do it is I will take that info, and show the worse problem that will be created in 2024.

I'm actually worried about 2031.  There's a kid on the high school team that's really good.  I want to make sure we have enough cap room to extend him after drafting him in 2027.

4 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Wait, so there isn’t some concussion conspiracy? 

Tua made him say that

 

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Tua made him say that

 

9 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

JBS is still bent over getting destroyed in his own thread, designed to call out @downundermike when it really turned into a thread dedicated to making fun of JBS.  He’s looking to score points anyway he can.  

Not really. DUM made an inaccurate statement. He said the Eagles will have $13.5 million in cap room next year. That isn't true. The true number will be closer to $40 million. It has nothing to do with any other thread or trying to score points, it's the fact that, when the team signs free agents next season, the pool of money they will have to spend on them will be about $40 million.

You can believe my number or his number. But if you want to gamble on the pool of money being closer to his number than mine, let me know.

8 hours ago, wussbasket said:

Several months ago I came across a post with the basic rules for how the cap works.

 

 

The part I don't fully understand is dead money. According to this, it would fall under rule 3 & 4. Which says signing bonus and guaranteed money accelerates to the teams cap that year when the player is cut. But the Birds still have a $5mm+ cap hit from Alshon Jeffery this year, so what is being spread out over the years if its supposed to accelerate to the year the player gets cut?

It's "spread" across the years of the cap, but the second they are cut\traded, it rolls up into one immediate amount.  So for example, lets pretend there is a 2 year contract with a $60 million bonus with 4 void years built in.  So the cap hit on paper looks like:

Y1    $5 million
Y2    $5 million    
V1    $5 million
V2    $5 million
V3    $5 million
V4    $5 million

So if the player lives out the 2 year contract, the cap hit for the bonus would ACTUALLY be
Y1    $5 million
Y2    $5 million    
V1    $20 million

However, if the player sucks, and they cut him after year 1, then in year 2 it all rolls up and they would owe:
Y1    $5 million
Y2(cut)    $25 million

 

So, on to Alshon.  Why is he still on the books?  The easy answer is the post-june designation, which splits the dead hit across two years.  There was a little more to it because they also reduced his salary for 2021 during the 2020 season.  The details can be found here if you want a good read.  The summary goes like this:

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Basically, by reducing Alshon’s base salary in 2021 by $10 million, the Eagles save around $10 million in cap space. (The top 51 rule means that any cap savings is actually around $800,000 less because Jeffery will be replaced by the 52nd guy.) They’re going to cut Alshon with a post-June 1 designation which means they’ll carry that full $7.59 million figure through June 1, at which point they’ll save another $2 million in cap space (his base salary), but will still be left with around $5.5 million in dead money since he won’t be on the team in 2021. The Eagles will also have dead money figure of just over $5.4 million in 2022.

They did the same thing again with Brandon Brooks. 

Quinn called Graham the team's "OG".

3 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Not really. DUM made an inaccurate statement. He said the Eagles will have $13.5 million in cap room next year. That isn't true. The true number will be closer to $40 million. It has nothing to do with any other thread or trying to score points, it's the fact that, when the team signs free agents next season, the pool of money they will have to spend on them will be about $40 million.

You can believe my number or his number. But if you want to gamble on the pool of money being closer to his number than mine, let me know.

I made a factual statement.  As it currently stands, they have 13.5 million in cap space for 2023.

You then said they can have 40 million, and gave me the players they would restructure.

Now tell me how much of each of those players salaries they will convert to a signing bonus to free up money to get to 40 million.

 

THIS IS THE 6TH TIME THE BALL HAS BEEN IN YOUR COURT, WHY WON'T YOU SHOW ME ????

2 hours ago, downundermike said:

Eagles currently have 29 players under contract for 2024.

They currently have $ 232,996.305 in cap liabilities.

With the projected cap of 256-260 million, they have 27 million in cap space, and need 24 players.

Oh god...are we talking cap already? We have a guy who should be creating the federal budget every year as a GM. I don't worry about the cap.

1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

Eagles are the  best team in football , imo .

1. Bills

2. Chiefs

3. Us

51 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Thought of a potential RB name I haven't seen anyone bring up that I think could be a fit: AJ Dillon.

Packers stink this year, he's a guy who has more size than current Eagles RBs. And he has experience sharing touches, so he'd fit in here. Not sure if Packers would move him.

I'd love Dillon here, don't see him being available outside of a gross overpay though.

 

3 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Quinn called Graham the team's "OG".

How does he look older than me at 41 and he's only 32? He looks like he seen some ish.

 

 

Everyone's in here bickering like a bunch of old ladies at the hair salon. Knock it off. The WORLD FING SERIES starts in 29 hours!