Just now, ManuManu said:

No. Not even close. Vaitai deserves credit for his admirable job filling in, but his level of play was wildly overrated in here. He got so much help with chips and a TE on his side that he might as well have been playing a different position than Peters. 

Peters was a liability for several years here before he finally left.  Everyone just remembers his time at a HOF level.  That time was over in 2017.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

We had a timeout. And there was a much higher chance that we'd waste less time if we clocked it on a subsequent series of downs given how much we shortened the field after that play. It's simple math, doesn't matter who the QB is.

Ehh. I get wanting to save the TO in case of a disaster such as a sack. 

Just now, eagle45 said:

Peters was a liability for several years here before he finally left.  Everyone just remembers his time at a HOF level.  That time was over in 2017.

Yeah. You’re wrong. 

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

He’s not a slot IMO. But maybe he can be a safety?

I know he played outside and some slot at Texas tech. I believe in 2021 training camp they trained him at slot. At this point i rather see him fail then keep with Scott tbh. At least i know he can’t at that point. I think at this point teams know Scott is bad.  

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Ehh. I get wanting to save the TO in case of a disaster such as a sack. 

Even for a sack on 3rd down, you can get lined up and a new play called in almost as fast as it took to clock it where we did. Absolutely no need to hold onto the TO for a contingency like that when it doesn't save you more time than it took to clock it on first down. If the sack is on 1st or 2nd down, even then you would still be able to clock it just as fast. There's no scenario where it made sense to hold on to the TO in exchange for a wasted down.

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

only problem is mcphearson might be worse than Scott if he hasn’t even gotten on the field over scott so far. It’s either that or Gannon just is stubborn and likes Scott. 

I think, and I could be wrong on this, is that they have been strictly playing McPhearson as an outside CB and Maddox/Scott are the inside CB so it's a position that McPhearson hasn't even played yet.  McPhearson is not a fast or quick CB.  He's more like Jalen Mills with his skillset which is unfortunate for him.

A better option might be to see what Josh Jobe can give you.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I know he played outside and slot at Texas tech. I believe in 2021 training camp they trained him at slot. At this point i rather see him fail then keep with Scott tbh. At least i know he can’t at that point. I think at this point teams know Scott is bad.  

I forget which game it was but McPherson was lined up inside vs a TE on a two-way go and got shook. Admittedly I’m putting way too much stock into a single play, but I immediately wrote him off as a slot. 

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Ehh. I get wanting to save the TO in case of a disaster such as a sack. 

Yeah. You’re wrong. 

You’re just sentimental.

12 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I didn’t like clocking it at all, but it’s defensible with a backup QB 

I think the big mistake was going for the end zone instead of looking for another first down. Three more downs at the 10 would have been more beneficial...there still was time.

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Even for a sack on 3rd down, you can get lined up and a new play called in almost as fast as it took to clock it where we did. Absolutely no need to hold onto the TO for a contingency like that when it doesn't save you more time than it took to clock it on first down. If the sack is on 1st or 2nd down, even then you would still be able to clock it just as fast. There's no scenario where it made sense to hold on to the TO in exchange for a wasted down.

We’ll agree to disagree. 

Just now, bpac55 said:

I think, and I could be wrong on this, is that they have been strictly playing McPhearson as an outside CB and Maddox/Scott are the inside CB so it's a position that McPhearson hasn't even played yet.  McPhearson is not a fast or quick CB.  He's more like Jalen Mills with his skillset which is unfortunate for him.

A better option might be to see what Josh Jobe can give you.

I mean they drafted him with the versatility to play outside or slot. Even in camp as a rookie he played some there. 

 

9 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Peters was a liability for several years here before he finally left.  Everyone just remembers his time at a HOF level.  That time was over in 2017.

Vaitai was a liability in the super bowl. We almost lost that game because of Vaitai getting beat, if not for an amazing play by Foles to buy time and hit Ertz on the crosser on that crucial 4th down on the final touchdown scoring drive.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

You’re just sentimental.

No. I’m just aware of how Vaitai played and how the Eagles changed their offense to protect him. 

Big question is if Lane isn't playing Sunday does that change what they want to do with Hurts. Do they worry about him getting hit more and sit him one more game. Or does that make them want to play him more to wrap up the #1 seed asap.

17 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

only problem is mcphearson might be worse than Scott if he hasn’t even gotten on the field over scott so far. It’s either that or Gannon just is stubborn and likes Scott. 

Yeah what happened to McPherson?

I mean he can't be Any worse than Scott who has easily been the first eagles defender this year. He's been atrocious yet Gannon keeps trotting him out there at safety and nickel.

I'm hoping with CGJ back that Scott takes his rightful place on the bench and Gannon moves CGJ around.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Vaitai was a liability in the super bowl. We almost lost that game if not for an amazing play by Foles to buy time and hit Ertz on the crosser on that crucial 4th down.

Harrison bench pressed him into oblivion in the fourth quarter. 

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Vaitai was a liability in the super bowl. We almost lost that game because of Vaitai getting beat, if not for an amazing play by Foles to buy time and hit Ertz on the crosser on that crucial 4th down on the final touchdown scoring drive.

 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

No. I’m just aware of how Vaitai played and how the Eagles changed their offense to protect him. 

I’m not saying Vaitai was any prize.  Peters was a fat stump living off reputation that couldn’t finish games and got toasted around the edge.  Merely having someone in there for a full game, reliably, and committing to the extra help rather than ignoring the need to do it…that constituted an upgrade.

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

We’ll agree to disagree. 

You disagree that the probability of saving the TO provided less value than a wasted down? I'm not sure you're gaming out the scenario fully. It's a contingency that provides virtually no benefit when you can still clock it after a sack on 1st or 2nd down, and even on 3rd down, you're only gambling with a few extra seconds. The value of that extra play massively outweighs the downside here. Not sure how you can think this is even close, but okay.

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

 

I’m not saying Vaitai was any prize.  Peters was a fat stump living off reputation that couldn’t finish games and got toasted around the edge.  Merely having someone in there for a full game, reliably, and committing to the extra help rather than ignoring the need to do it…that constituted an upgrade.

Yeah, between this Vaitai thing and the befuddling argument of saving the TO against the cowboys, I think I've had enough internet for one day. Have a good one, guys.

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I mean they drafted him with the versatility to play outside or slot. Even in camp as a rookie he played some there. 

 

Too bad Max isn't right about him being a sleeper.  Maybe he's a late bloomer.

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Big question is if Lane isn't playing Sunday does that change what they want to do with Hurts. Do they worry about him getting hit more and sit him one more game. Or does that make them want to play him more to wrap up the #1 seed asap.

Lane isn’t playing against the Giants either and the Giants are probably better than the Saints.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

You disagree that the probability of saving the TO provided less value than a wasted down? I'm not sure you're gaming out the scenario fully. It's a contingency that provides virtually no benefit when you can still clock it after a sack on 1st or 2nd down, and even on 3rd down, you're only gambling with a few extra seconds. The value of that extra play massively outweighs the downside here. Not sure how you can think this is even close, but okay.

I’m saying that I disagree with you that under no circumstance is it OK to clock there. I already said I disagreed with it, but I believe it’s defensible.

12 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I forget which game it was but McPherson was lined up inside vs a TE on a two-way go and got shook. Admittedly I’m putting way too much stock into a single play, but I immediately wrote him off as a slot. 

I’m guessing mcphearson fails too but i really just can’t take Scott there anymore. I’ve seen enough when maddox has missed time. I rather take a shot at mcphearson and hope he can swim then just keep going scott. That said when CJGJ comes back i think you just play him in the slot and keep Blankenship at safety as the best option. 

49 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

To be fair, this is one of the times where it's absolutely deserved. Calling cover-2 on 3rd and 30 is about as dumb as you can get.

That being said, as much as we want to hate on Dak, he made a good throw there, and at other points in the game. Lamb is supremely frustrating to cover and even more to watch (knowing that he fell into their lap when we could've traded up for him instead of taking Reagor.) Pollard is also insanely underrated and a match up problem for just about any defense in the league. That was not an offense that is as putrid as we (as fans) make it out to be.

Despite how poorly the defense played, we are still somehow 5th in DVOA, 2nd in yards, 10th in pts. He could be doing worse for it being his second year as a DC. Hopefully he learns from some of these embarrassing mistakes and comes up with a far better game plan if we have to face them again in January.

Absolutely the 3rd down calls this game deserve criticism.  3rd and 30 especially.

Those are a small part of an overall very successful season. Don't we have the #2 overall defense? 

People in here said he's not very good at this.  He won't deserve a HC job, etc..

That was stupid. 

36 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

We have no idea the severity of the tear or even which tendon was torn, but okay.

It doesn't matter. 

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Big question is if Lane isn't playing Sunday does that change what they want to do with Hurts. Do they worry about him getting hit more and sit him one more game. Or does that make them want to play him more to wrap up the #1 seed asap.

Lane isn’t playing against the Giants either and the Giants are probably better than the Saints.

I am flying out to the game this weekend. Hoping to see the clinching victory. They can rest afterwards.