5 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

 

Right off the bat, 1st two plays are great examples of what I think he needs to do better.  Yes, the pocket collapses and he has to scramble but the good to great QB's will break out of the pocket, recompose themselves and find the open player.  Hurts immediate reaction is pressure, tuck, run.  That's what he was last year and it's still what he is.  He doesn't have to take the punishment or run the ball 17 times if he played the position more like a QB and less like a RB.

Got these stats from Solak…

With Davis on the field for 14 run snaps, Detroit averaged 2.9 yards per rush. With him off the field, Detroit averaged 10 yards per carry. 

Marlon T … 3.2 on, 10.2 off 

Milton Williams … 3.1 on, 12.5 off.

So Cox/Hargrave were a total sieve. 

2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

My Rankings from the ones I least believe in:

Hurts - The number one guy I dont have faith in. 

Gannon - Number 2 guy I dont have faith in

Miles Sanders - being able to stay fairly healthy? Doubtful

Siri- still an unknown, but he is being hamstrung with QB. 

 

Siri is known for being useless at this point. He doesnt call plays. His training camps are useless. He just looks and smiles and waves at the DC as the opponent is thrashing us. All he does is wear shirts of player's faces and talks about dog mentality.

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

There is a lot to work on after week 1.

Please remember that the Lions' OTs are both first round picks.  

I will remember that.  Please remember that our DEs have been disappointing for a long time.  

I'm curious to see how teams approach Hurts going forward after this game and how Siriani is going to adjust. He's still very quick to take off to run, but there were also WAY too many times where there were unblocked rushers bearing down on him quickly. Basically they identified his major weakness and forced him to work around it. 

If teams decide to follow the Lions lead Siri is going to have to find a way to either give Hurts and easy quick safety valve to dump it off to, or keep someone back there to help block.  Cause clearly he's not making multiple reads with any semblance of pressure in his face. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Got these stats from Solak…

With Davis on the field for 14 run snaps, Detroit averaged 2.9 yards per rush. With him off the field, Detroit averaged 10 yards per carry. 

Marlon T … 3.2 on, 10.2 off 

Milton Williams … 3.1 on, 12.5 off.

So Cox/Hargrave were a total sieve. 

I think that's partly due to them feeling like they are there to rush the passer.  A run stuffing DT doesn't get paid what they get paid... unless they are a huge space eating NT, like Vince Wilfork.   So, they get too aggressive and leave their gap responsibility.  

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

But who else are you going to dress?  Jackson?  He's the epitome of a JAG.  I tried to argue this, a month ago but the Pillars came swinging their purses.  Our DE rotation is bad and after the 1st pre-season game, they tried to say that Tarron Jackson is a solid part of the rotation.  We have an overrated penalty machine in Barnett, an overpaid rotational guy in Sweat and a guy who is a done in BG (and we all love BG).  So if Jackson can't dress and crack that crap rotation, then he's not solid.  DE is a major issue.  

 

We have Milton Williams who is too big to play DE and Reddick who is too small to play DE.  Spare parts.   

I think DE depth is an issue.  Reddick, however, can play in that position.   I really don't think the problem is a lack of talent.  It is a lack of coaching.  

1 minute ago, DEagle7 said:

I'm curious to see how teams approach Hurts going forward after this game and how Siriani is going to adjust. He's still very quick to take off to run, but there were also WAY too many times where there were unblocked rushers bearing down on him quickly. Basically they identified his major weakness and forced him to work around it. 

If teams decide to follow the Lions lead Siri is going to have to find a way to either give Hurts and easy quick safety valve to dump it off to, or keep someone back there to help block.  Cause clearly he's not making multiple reads with any semblance of pressure in his face. 

The Lions seemed to be following the Bucs lead.  

I'm not sure he's making any reads with any semblance of pressure in his face.

12 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

 

You can escape pressure and still throw.

Hurts had 17 carries.  DeVonta Smith had zero catches.  Lots to clean up, indeed.

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think DE depth is an issue.  Reddick, however, can play in that position.   I really don't think the problem is a lack of talent.  It is a lack of coaching.  

I think its a little from column A and a little from column B.  Better coaching might make these guys look a little better.   But, no amount of coaching is going to make Derek Barnett different than the guy we've seen for the past 5 years.  This team has a significant number of rotational guys that can be used in spot duty.  None of these DEs are keeping any OCs or OTs awake the night before the game worrying about them.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

You can escape pressure and still throw.

Hurts had 17 carries.  DeVonta Smith had zero catches.  Lots to clean up, indeed.

Yup, just because you have to escape the pocket doesn't mean you have to run the ball.  See Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Russell Wilson etc.  

This is where Sirianni has to be a smart coach and not call 7 QB running plays.  It's clear as day that Hurts is going to scramble when pressured.  Sirianni can't help that unless he takes Hurts off the field.  But what he can control is not call designed QB runs.  10 carries vs 17 carries is pretty significant for a QB.

12 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Right off the bat, 1st two plays are great examples of what I think he needs to do better.  Yes, the pocket collapses and he has to scramble but the good to great QB's will break out of the pocket, recompose themselves and find the open player.  Hurts immediate reaction is pressure, tuck, run.  That's what he was last year and it's still what he is.  He doesn't have to take the punishment or run the ball 17 times if he played the position more like a QB and less like a RB.

Two way street.  A pocket passer might have made a few more throws but would have been either sacked or thrown the ball out of bounds at least half of the time.  We likely lose yesterday’s game with a conventional pocket passer.   

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The Lions seemed to be following the Bucs lead.  

I'm not sure he's making any reads with any semblance of pressure in his face.

Yep. Took off pretty much immediately. Now in his defense there were absolutely times in the game where he had to with that NASCAR package bearing down on him. But not anywhere close to every time. He and Siri have to find a way to address it with a screen game or an additional blocker or this season is over. 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

There was one play where Detroit had two DL lined up touching shoulders over the RG... (Hutchinson was one of them.).  Kelce seemed to have a DT over him.  When the ball was snapped, Kelce went to his right and doubled Hutchinson, I believe.  Dickerson went to his left, and the DT over the center basically got a free run at Hurts.   What do you think happened there?   Clearly, that's not what they want to happen.  No matter who is out wider, you have to block from the inside out, and the DT wasn't a late blitzer or anything, he was lined up almost in 0 technique, maybe a slight shade to the left side A gap.   Was it simply miscommunication between Kelce and Dickerson, or was there maybe a back supposed to pick up the DT (not my favorite option)... or should Kelce have at least put an arm out to push the DT towards the LG before committing to the double?

 

 

I seem to recall that but not when it happened. I’m sure I’ll catch it on the all-22 but if you can tell me approximately when it happened I can take a look much sooner. Detroit did a lot of that - doubling rushers over one man, usually over Lane.

15 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Got these stats from Solak…

With Davis on the field for 14 run snaps, Detroit averaged 2.9 yards per rush. With him off the field, Detroit averaged 10 yards per carry. 

Marlon T … 3.2 on, 10.2 off 

Milton Williams … 3.1 on, 12.5 off.

So Cox/Hargrave were a total sieve. 

That coincides with the eye test, too. 

I was very disappointed with how easily the Lions got to the 2nd level, and our edges were eviscerated.  

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I said it after the Bills game the other night, with Allen.  I'll say it again, with Hurts.  It's not a matter of IF just a matter of WHEN.  He is not going to last long, running like that.  

My pre-season prediction that Minshew will have more passing TDs than Hurts may end up coming true

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Two way street.  A pocket passer might have made a few more throws but would have been either sacked or thrown the ball out of bounds at least half of the time.  We likely lose yesterday’s game with a conventional pocket passer.   

I'm not saying put a pocket passer in there.  Hurts is great at avoiding pressure, there's no denying that.  However, he's terrible at recomposing himself and looking downfield for his WR.  His reaction to pressure is to run.  For Hurts to take that next step and be a good QB, he needs to fix this part of his game.  

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Only chance that happens is if Hurts gets hurt.  Which is an almost certainty if we don't change some things.  

He looked like he got knocked out yesterday. Odd the "impartial" doctors didn't drag him into the blue tent after

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

We likely won't see that kind of defense with a pocket passer, because the defense would have to cover the back half.  Guys like you don't realize that the QB's job doesn't start when the ball is snapped.  It starts when they break the huddle.  You seriously think a good pocket passer couldn't have picked them a part.  It's the Fing Detroit Lions.  A few adjustments pre and post and they have to back off.  

 

Amazing that our O line became complete garbage and the Detroit Lions became the 86 Bears.  

I should have said "all things being equal - game plan etc’”

And since the game planning was designed with Hurts’ mobility in mind, him running when pressured ended the game with a W.  Despite the issues with the O-line, etc 

Just now, Ace Nova said:

I should have said "all things being equal - game plan etc’”

And since the game planning was designed with Hurts’ mobility in mind, him running when pressured ended up with a W.  Despite the issues with the O-line, etc 

The o-line issues were caused by Hurts. Don't you understand that? 

Week 1 all my board bets looking good.

Brown 10 catches, I think he has not trouble getting to 100 catches in 2 years @Bacarty2

Saints win @4for4EaglesNest

Dean did not do anything, let alone anything to get into the DROY conversation @TorontoEagle

To expand on my comment that Detroit doubled their rushers a lot over Lane, besides getting a free runner at times they also forced Hurts to bail to his left. As a right-handed passer, that’s where he’s least effective.

is this baseball now or is this a gambling thing?  Never heard of EPA and if that's a measuring stick for Hurts then we are really grasping here.

 

 

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

The o-line issues were caused by Hurts. Don't you understand that? 

No, they were not.

He needs to find Goedert and Smith and be deliberate about it.

Quez Watkins might as well just take a nap this year.