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Official Philadelphia Phillies Thread - Still can't hit for crap

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I Fing hate the dbacks. They literally only screw the Phillies 

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3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I Fing hate the dbacks. They literally only screw the Phillies 

Alright reverse jinx 

20 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I worry about Ranger because he’s never pitched more than 155 innings. We forget but in 2022 he missed 2 weeks in beginning of July. Then another 10 days between starts in middle of July. had 1 start from June 30 to July 24.  last year he missed the first 1.5 months and then missed about 2.5-3 weeks from middle of August to beginning of September. I think part of the reason why he is struggling right now is because he has a dead arm. He has pitched 108 this is the most he’s had in a first half of the season in his career. He only pitched 125 last year and in 2022 he got to 155. He’s on pace to shatter his innings mark. I wouldnt be surprised if he also gets a two week off period as well as they consider going to a six man rotation at some point when they get walker back up and Turnbull. 

Yeah I think Ranger is the biggest priority to cut back on injuries.  His regular season may be a revelation, but he’s usually rock solid in the playoffs.  It would be devastatingly cruel if his huge net positive this regular season translated into a net negative compared to the post-seasons.  They’ve got to make sure he’s ready to rock for October.

 

So what are we ****ing about tonight? 

3 minutes ago, iladelphxx said:

So what are we ****ing about tonight? 

 

@e-a-g-l-e-s eagles!…you’ll hate this, but I wonder how creative and disruptive the Phillies would be willing to get to add another big bat to the lineup.  We know we aren’t on the same page with regards to disruption of the farm system, but what about disruption of the outfield?

Does it have to be a neat fit as a CF?  Remember, the Phillies almost won the WS with a Schwarber/Marsh/Castellanos OF.  What about adding a corner OF and sliding Marsh to CF?  Heck, what about adding a DH and sucking it up with Schwarber in LF?  What about a 1B and Harper in the OF for the playoffs?

Varying degrees of crazy, but there are some interesting bats that could theoretically be trade targets at corner OF/1B/DH, including some really heavy bats that might come as cheap rentals for the run.  Some shuffling in the field that you might look down on, but the same lineup upgrade might come a lot cheaper that way instead of overpaying for a bigger CF bat.

8 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

@e-a-g-l-e-s eagles!…you’ll hate this, but I wonder how creative and disruptive the Phillies would be willing to get to add another big bat to the lineup.  We know we aren’t on the same page with regards to disruption of the farm system, but what about disruption of the outfield?

Does it have to be a neat fit as a CF?  Remember, the Phillies almost won the WS with a Schwarber/Marsh/Castellanos OF.  What about adding a corner OF and sliding Marsh to CF?  Heck, what about adding a DH and sucking it up with Schwarber in LF?  What about a 1B and Harper in the OF for the playoffs?

Varying degrees of crazy, but there are some interesting bats that could theoretically be trade targets at corner OF/1B/DH, including some really heavy bats that might come as cheap rentals for the run.  Some shuffling in the field that you might look down on, but the same lineup upgrade might come a lot cheaper that way instead of overpaying for a bigger CF bat.

I really don’t think marsh is nearly as good in centerfielder. He is much better in left field.

However, if you’re going to do it, the guy to go after is Vladimir Guerrero jr. because he is available and he has a year left on his contract. So you could move Bryce Harper to left field and move Brandon marsh to CF in a platoon with Rojas. And the best bat that you’ll likely get in this market is Vladimir Guerrero jr.

He would be a guy I’d be willing to pay the price for. He’s 25 years old and an all star player. And when Kyle Schwarber’s contracts up at the end of 2025 you can move Vladimir Guerrero Jr into the DH and Harper back to first base then go out and try to get yourself another outfielder or Crawford’s ready at that point. (Assuming he’s still here). 

this is like a one percent chance to happen and frankly, I think one percent chance is very high.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I really don’t think marsh is nearly as good in centerfielder. He is much better in left field.

However, if you’re going to do it, the guy to go after is Vladimir Guerrero jr. because he is available and he has a year left on his contract. So you could move Bryce Harper to left field and move Brandon marsh to CF in a platoon with Rojas. And the best bat that you’ll likely get in this market is Vladimir Guerrero jr.

He would be a guy I’d be willing to pay the price for. He’s 25 years old and an all star player. And when Kyle Schwarber’s contracts up at the end of 2025 you can move Vladimir Guerrero Jr into the DH and Harper back to first base then go out and try to get yourself another outfielder or Crawford’s ready at that point. (Assuming he’s still here). 

Their GM said they don’t want to move him (which they all say).  With the family history, there may be a real chance he re-signs with them.  Without that, I’d assume he’s good as gone and is a really cheap rental at the 2025 trade deadline for a contender.  

To get Toronto to mail it in on their most marketable player one year early, they will have to come away from the deal feeling good.  And that’s going to be priiiicey.  Phillies would have to be confident they can lock him up with a long term deal to justify it.

But to add that bat to this lineup…

Topper would probably love a Rojas/Marsh CF platoon dictated by pitching matchups, considering how much he loves that rotation as it is.

36 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Their GM said they don’t want to move him (which they all say).  With the family history, there may be a real chance he re-signs with them.  Without that, I’d assume he’s good as gone and is a really cheap rental at the 2025 trade deadline for a contender.  

To get Toronto to mail it in on their most marketable player one year early, they will have to come away from the deal feeling good.  And that’s going to be priiiicey.  Phillies would have to be confident they can lock him up with a long term deal to justify it.

But to add that bat to this lineup…

Frankly if you make that move it mean you have to be committed to moving on from schwarber after next year and giving Guerrero jr. A massive contract. I don’t think they would be against giving him a massive contract. Because frankly, I think they’re gonna be in the Juan Soto sweepstakes this off-season. I don’t know if they’ll get him, but I would be shocked if they’re not one of the three teams that’s mentioned with him all off-season

what I kind of think is going to happen is they’re gonna get another bullpen arm and they’re gonna get someone like a Taylor Ward. He hits left-handed pitching really well and platoon him with marsh

 

Braves lost 

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Great, now whit jinxed the team with the whole best team in baseball!

5 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Great, now whit jinxed the team with the whole best team in baseball!

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4 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Taking the series against LAD is huge.

We started the Braves series with a 4.5 game lead on the Dodgers.  Now that lead is 5.5 games.  The lead over the Braves was 9.0 games.  Now it is 8.5.  If any of us had been asked if increasing the lead over the Dodgers and holding steady with the Braves was "acceptable” we all would have said "yes” in the blink of an eye. 

4 hours ago, mattwill said:

We started the Braves series with a 4.5 game lead on the Dodgers.  Now that lead is 5.5 games.  The lead over the Braves was 9.0 games.  Now it is 8.5.  If any of us had been asked if increasing the lead over the Dodgers and holding steady with the Braves was "acceptable” we all would have said "yes” in the blink of an eye. 

It’s much better than acceptable.  Now, Most important thing to me before the break is to get a good start from Ranger.

21 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

It’s much better than acceptable.  Now, Most important thing to me before the break is to get a good start from Ranger.

Tbh i was in favor of Ranger getting this start skipped and then letting him pitch the 3rd game of the pirates series after the break. Would give him 15 days off besides maybe the 1 inning he pitched in the AS game. At some point if they are still far enough ahead i see them giving him like 2 weeks off. This was a way to do it but only skip 1 start. But the way the Phillies injuries to wheeler, walker, turnbull are and Mercado was awful vs. atlanta they really don’t have a choice but to start him.

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3 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tbh i was in favor of Ranger getting this start skipped and then letting him pitch the 3rd game of the pirates series after the break. Would give him 15 days off besides maybe the 1 inning he pitched in the AS game. At some point if they are still far enough ahead i see them giving him like 2 weeks off. This was a way to do it but only skip 1 start. But the way the Phillies injuries to wheeler, walker, turnbull are and Mercado was awful vs. atlanta they really don’t have a choice but to start him.

I’d skip him too. Treat him with kid gloves. He’s too important to the success of this season. 

45 minutes ago, iladelphxx said:

 

 

That’s Brian Colangelo Babs Botinni level stuff. 

Probably means he’s out for a while. Maybe his price comes down as it might have pushed him into opting in if he missed significant time. May also prevent teams from even trading for him as he might miss significant time 

I hope he keeps it up and proves me wrong. I like the signing a couple years back but i just don’t trust he does. Really his June and July (so far) are consistently good. His entirety of May had good HRs but he wasn’t good avg, obp and ops 

 

That would be a big get for the Astros 

 

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