1 minute ago, jsb235 said:

He has been kind of blah this year. He threw for 300 fewer yards and 13 fewer tds. I know he was hurt and the team had injury issues, but even so, he was much better last year. 

Plus the HC is full of himself

At least we don't have the bottom playoff QB lol

Mahomes is in a league by himself. Burrow and Allen are behind him, Allen has the higher ceiling but a lower floor as compared to Burrow.

Herbert and Hurts are next, the knock on Herbert has been that his stats haven’t translated to wins. However, he has turned that narrative around quite a bit with his play the last few weeks, and if he delivers in the playoffs it will result in him jumping to the Burrow/Allen tier.

18 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I'm surprised Herbert is below Hurts. Hurts is playing lights out but Herbert is just a better passer

Hurts does have back to back playoff appearances.  

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Hurts does have back to back playoff appearances.  

Praying that it's not a repeat performance from last years

6 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Praying that it's not a repeat performance from last years

Since they have a bye, i am pretty sure he will be better this year in the first week of the playoffs than last year. Now the second weekend may be dicey, but i feel great heading into this weekend. 

Here’s a different QB list:

 

https://qbrankings.theringer.com/?playoffs=true&_ga=2.165196604.269387054.1673462679-450679918.1671942783

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Here’s a different QB list:

 

https://qbrankings.theringer.com/?playoffs=true&_ga=2.165196604.269387054.1673462679-450679918.1671942783

Hurts at 8.  I am the farthest thing from a fan boy of his, but he is not below T Law, Dak and Lamar.

26 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

He has been kind of blah this year. He threw for 300 fewer yards and 13 fewer tds. I know he was hurt and the team had injury issues, but even so, he was much better last year. 

Herbert was also without his top two WR's for 11 total games.

What would Hurst stat line look like if Brown missed 7 games and Devonta missed 4 games.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Herbert was also without his top two WR's for 11 total games.

What would Hurst stat line look like if Brown missed 7 games and Devonta missed 4 games.

Dallas Goedert missed five games, so it’s not like he had all his weapons the whole year.

But if suddenly we are making excuses for qbs, we can start with last year when Hurts was throwing to Reagor with Driscoll and Herbig blocking for him.

The thing with Minshew that is getting lost - which actually surprises me, when most of y'all are knowledgable football fans - is that Minshew has his reputation simply because of his image. The 'stache, the hair, the disposition, he's like a Will Ferrell character. We see that character, and forget he's just another journeyman backup QB. It's a glamour, an illusion. He performed about as well as he could have against Dallas, then regressed to the mean against the Saints.

On 1/9/2023 at 2:40 PM, Hawkeye said:

No it's not. It's his right shoulder. His throwing shoulder. 

Oops! Forgive me, I had total knee replacement 3 weeks ago and the pain meds have my brain working slow. Kinda of fun but  slow brain waves!

The difference between Jalen and Young that I meant to post was, Young couldn’t throw the ball in the next series after being injured. Jalen finished the game! 

44 minutes ago, kiwinavega said:

The thing with Minshew that is getting lost - which actually surprises me, when most of y'all are knowledgable football fans - is that Minshew has his reputation simply because of his image. The 'stache, the hair, the disposition, he's like a Will Ferrell character. We see that character, and forget he's just another journeyman backup QB. It's a glamour, an illusion. He performed about as well as he could have against Dallas, then regressed to the mean against the Saints.

/Sigh not true. Rookie year threw 21tds and only 6ints starting pretty much 13 games for a pretty awful squad (compare to jalen's 22tds/6ints this year in 15 games) and the next year threw 16td and 5ints in 8 starts while adding another 6% to o his completion percentage. He doesn't have the arm strength to be a franchise guy, but he isn't your run of the mill back up. You could put him in on a few teams and it would run just fine. The issue here is the team and scheme is built around what Jalen does just like in Baltimore. We need a backup like tyrod or Mariota next year because this team is definitely not fitting for a guy with his limitations. Nick has definitely dedicated his scheme for what Jalen does best and that is probably what minshew does the worst. 

2 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

/Sigh not true. Rookie year threw 21tds and only 6ints starting pretty much 13 games for a pretty awful squad (compare to jalen's 22tds/6ints this year in 15 games) and the next year threw 16td and 5ints in 8 starts while adding another 6% to o his completion percentage. He doesn't have the arm strength to be a franchise guy, but he isn't your run of the mill back up. You could put him in on a few teams and it would run just fine. The issue here is the team and scheme is built around what Jalen does just like in Baltimore. We need a backup like tyrod or Mariota next year because this team is definitely not fitting for a guy with his limitations. Nick has definitely dedicated his scheme for what Jalen does best and that is probably what minshew does the worst. 

Disagree. There was enough offense schemed up for a good NFL QB to beat the Cowboys and the Saints. 

5 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Disagree. There was enough offense schemed up for a good NFL QB to beat the Cowboys and the Saints. 

He did enough the cowboys game. Saints was a tough outting. It happens. Colts and cardinals game come to mind as well

3 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

He did enough the cowboys game. Saints was a tough outting. It happens. Colts and cardinals game come to mind as well

Yes he did.  Meanwhile, the defense fighting for the #1 seed did not show up.

Two weeks later, the defense eliminated from the playoffs shut Dak down.

 

7 hours ago, TorontoEagle said:

The overall argument that he doesn’t take "big” hits is BS. It’s used by most when comparing him to Allen who does take "bigger” hits. But where do you think Hurts falls compared to basically all other QBs? Most of the posters like to throw out that Hurts doesn’t take big hits as if he has some magical ability to avoid them. It’s just not true at all.

 

The injury to his ankle came about from him holding the ball longer than he should’ve, and he was scrambling in the pocket. He also had about four giants land on top of him that play. That play in and of itself isn’t an indictment on him taking big hits as many QBs could be injured similarly.

 

Do you remember the shot he took in pre season? A cheap shot sure, but the "big hits” started then, and continued right up until he finally got hurt. It was a matter of when, not if. 

I believe that is true for all QBs and all players in general. Injuries are more likely to happen than to never happen. Hurts takes some big hits. But I'm not overly concerned about them, personally. As a runner you do have the ability to absorb hits better than when you stand in the pocket fearlessly to get a pass off. Those are the ones that tend to become major injuries. Hurts also slides and runs out of bounds on a lot of runs to avoid legal hits. You'll never be able to stop the penalties (late hits), but those happen just as much in the pocket, if not more. 

I think we agree about "hits" for the most part. I think where my opinion differs is in how much we should worry about it. I'm tired of worrying. I can't control anything by worrying. JPP blew part of his hand off with fireworks. JR Reed tore up the nerve in his leg climbing a fence. Jerome Brown died driving his new Corvette into a tree. Jerome McDougle was shot in an armed robbery. You can take all the precautions in the world to try to prevent injuries, but you can never control them. They will happen when they happen. You don't have to jump off a cliff to prove injuries happen, but you don't have to fear stepping off the sidewalk either.

11 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I believe that is true for all QBs and all players in general. Injuries are more likely to happen than to never happen. Hurts takes some big hits. But I'm not overly concerned about them, personally. As a runner you do have the ability to absorb hits better than when you stand in the pocket fearlessly to get a pass off. Those are the ones that tend to become major injuries. Hurts also slides and runs out of bounds on a lot of runs to avoid legal hits. You'll never be able to stop the penalties (late hits), but those happen just as much in the pocket, if not more. 

I think we agree about "hits" for the most part. I think where my opinion differs is in how much we should worry about it. I'm tired of worrying. I can't control anything by worrying. JPP blew part of his hand off with fireworks. JR Reed tore up the nerve in his leg climbing a fence. Jerome Brown died driving his new Corvette into a tree. Jerome McDougle was shot in an armed robbery. You can take all the precautions in the world to try to prevent injuries, but you can never control them. They will happen when they happen. You don't have to jump off a cliff to prove injuries happen, but you don't have to fear stepping off the sidewalk either.

You listed a bunch of preventable things..... Like all of them but like one lol  I agree he tends to get out harms way, but you can't ignore he puts his self in harms way enough to limp into the playoffs. That may have been preventable by not being a top carrier of the football. He proved to be able to win with his arm...he may wanna choose to do so more often next year 

2 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

You listed a bunch of preventable things..... Like all of them but like one lol  I agree he tends to get out harms way, but you can't ignore he puts his self in harms way enough to limp into the playoffs. That may have been preventable by not being a top carrier of the football. He proved to be able to win with his arm...he may wanna choose to do so more often next year 

He puts himself in harms way so the team can win games (and thus make the playoffs). If we hadn't won that Bears game, those last 3 games might have meant a lot more to a lot of NFC teams. 

2 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

You listed a bunch of preventable things..... Like all of them but like one lol  I agree he tends to get out harms way, but you can't ignore he puts his self in harms way enough to limp into the playoffs. That may have been preventable by not being a top carrier of the football. He proved to be able to win with his arm...he may wanna choose to do so more often next year 

Why it took Hurts and the coaching staff so long to figure that out is worrisome. This is what some of us have been saying for 2 years now. With these weapons he has to throw to, why does he have to run the ball 17 times?? This coaching staff has looked awful for the past few weeks. Theres no way Chicago's D should have gave us that many problems. Theres no reason why we looked so poorly prepared to play vs the Saints. Why the last game came down to an onside kick is absolutely baffling. 

40 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

He puts himself in harms way so the team can win games (and thus make the playoffs). If we hadn't won that Bears game, those last 3 games might have meant a lot more to a lot of NFC teams. 

Then expect a bunch of injuries and a short career because that's what's coming. I prefer to see the kid survive in this league and make his money

1 minute ago, Shalodeep said:

Then expect a bunch of injuries and a short career because that's what's coming. I prefer to see the kid survive in this league and make his money be available to win games

FYP

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

FYP

I'm okay with him making his money. I fully expect to put in 100 different ways to get out of his contracts though. Just like the raiders being able to bail at the price of 5 million. It's odd that as one of his biggest doubters, I seem to want his career to last longer than many of his fans. He had starting running back stats. They last til they are 28. Cam crapped out at like 30 and he was a walking tank. He showed he can do some work in the pocket, but ended the season with 22 passing tds which is LOWER than many of the doubters said he would get. 

1 hour ago, Shalodeep said:

Then expect a bunch of injuries and a short career because that's what's coming. I prefer to see the kid survive in this league and make his money

I expect a normal amount of injuries for a QB. Would you say Foles' injury history is normal, above normal, or below normal? What about Sam Bradford? What about Troy Aikman? What about Eli Manning? What about Tua? 

I'm not sure what to you is considered a "short career." Not many people will go as long as Tom Brady or Drew Brees. The average QB career length is less than 5 years. Cam Newton played 11 seasons and only had 1 season where he missed a large part due to injury. He's out of the league, not because of injuries, but because his play was below par. McNabb played 11 seasons here before he was surprisingly traded away. He played 2 more after that, but neither at the level he played at under Andy Reid. Personally, I don't consider either of those two examples "short" and more realistically, they represent an expected amount of time for a QB to stay with one team. Russel Wilson is another example of what I'm talking about. He played 10 seasons in Seattle before being traded. Those contracts don't get cheaper every few years and once a team has holes all over, keeping that franchise QB doesn't necessarily make financial sense (see Green Bay). 

The point I'm getting at is that if Hurts is here for around 10 seasons, playing at or around his current level, that will be a fine career. Expecting him to be here for 15, 16, 18 seasons is a far-fetched pipe dream. So once again, I wonder what you consider to be a short career. Do you really expect Hurts to be out of the league early from injuries  like Gale Sayers or Terrell Davis or to retire early like Patrick Willis?

15 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I expect a normal amount of injuries for a QB. Would you say Foles' injury history is normal, above normal, or below normal? What about Sam Bradford? What about Troy Aikman? What about Eli Manning? What about Tua? 

I'm not sure what to you is considered a "short career." Not many people will go as long as Tom Brady or Drew Brees. The average QB career length is less than 5 years. Cam Newton played 11 seasons and only had 1 season where he missed a large part due to injury. He's out of the league, not because of injuries, but because his play was below par. McNabb played 11 seasons here before he was surprisingly traded away. He played 2 more after that, but neither at the level he played at under Andy Reid. Personally, I don't consider either of those two examples "short" and more realistically, they represent an expected amount of time for a QB to stay with one team. Russel Wilson is another example of what I'm talking about. He played 10 seasons in Seattle before being traded. Those contracts don't get cheaper every few years and once a team has holes all over, keeping that franchise QB doesn't necessarily make financial sense (see Green Bay). 

The point I'm getting at is that if Hurts is here for around 10 seasons, playing at or around his current level, that will be a fine career. Expecting him to be here for 15, 16, 18 seasons is a far-fetched pipe dream. So once again, I wonder what you consider to be a short career. Do you really expect Hurts to be out of the league early from injuries  like Gale Sayers or Terrell Davis or to retire early like Patrick Willis?

Cams development was completely stunted due to his reliance on his physical playing style instead of learning to trust a pocket and deliver. I would hope this is his best running year and he relies far more on his arm going forward. I would say becomes average in two years and below average by 30. Look at the other two QBs in the league who play that style. Jackson and Murray hurt and looks to be regressing after an impressive start to young careers. To think he could continue playing this style for more than two more years without cutting his career is a pipe dream. I wouldn't be shocked if he as a player regressed to replaceable after that 

11 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

The point I'm getting at is that if Hurts is here for around 10 seasons, playing at or around his current level, that will be a fine career. Expecting him to be here for 15, 16, 18 seasons is a far-fetched pipe dream. So once again, I wonder what you consider to be a short career. Do you really expect Hurts to be out of the league early from injuries  like Gale Sayers or Terrell Davis or to retire early like Patrick Willis?

Wait...if he continues to play at or around his current level? So do you think hes going to get healthier over time as he continues to run 17 times in games? Hes missed time in both of his two full seasons....and hes injured during the worst possible time to be hurt...the playoffs. What we are saying is he CANT continue to play at his current level. He has to get better. Otherwise yeath, he'll have a shorter career.