the flag was bad but the defense put them in the position to allow a bad ref call to be the difference. i wanna know wtf they were thinking on those 2 wide open TD passes. once i could understand but twice and in the super bowl no less? 

7 minutes ago, EmeraldArcher7154 said:

the flag was bad but the defense put them in the position to allow a bad ref call to be the difference. i wanna know wtf they were thinking on those 2 wide open TD passes. once i could understand but twice and in the super bowl no less? 

That’s called Gannon on the payroll for the new NFL golden boy mahomes to get the W

Refs too 

Unless you think Eagles play soft zone all game and only get one incompletion in the second half cause the chiefs are that good at magically having players wide open 

2 hours ago, Bamabird said:

Do you really think giving up a TD to KC on everyone of their possessions in the 2nd half is doing enough?

At some point you would think they could hold them to a field goal!

They didn’t give up a TD on every possession in the 2nd half. I saw KC win on a FG at the end. 

2 minutes ago, Road to Victory said:

They didn’t give up a TD on every possession in the 2nd half. I saw KC win on a FG at the end. 

Please tell me you're not serious? They were running in for a TD and sat down on the 2 yard line so they could eat up clock. The defense did not stop them, they stopped themselves!

6 hours ago, GoEagles614 said:

They played both. Unfortunately the scheme is this defense is "don’t allow anyone behind you” So instead we get gashed for 5-9 yards over and over for high percentage completions. 
 

Eagles should’ve played closer to the LOS and dared the achieve to go deep against our DBs,  thus forcing Mahomes to keep the ball longer. JuJu isn’t a deep threat, Toney/Sky is a gadget in space guy, and MVS is a great matchup for Slay or Bradberry. I think they should’ve gone cover 3 with CJGJ and Kyzir focusing Kelce, then switching cover 3 and cover one disguises. Obviously you mix in other coverages. Cover 9, cover 4, even some zero blitzes, cover 2 etc. The idea of what I THOUGHT defense was supposed to do is confuse or attempt to halt an offense. Gannon has proved time and time again, that he has no idea how to stop a competent offense that is willing to take the easy completion. 
 

Cover 4 is a prevent defense, the exact opposite of how to beat Andy and a Mahomes. It allows offense to clear out a corner, and attack the flats constantly. Playing match out of this, creates wide open voids, due to literally no one having help in short and intermediate concepts. Both, again, huge advantage for the Chiefs. Also, by rushing 4 the entire game, this gets easier and easier to pick apart the defense because you’ll be able to have 5-6 blockers (chips) on 4 rushers, to give time so  your offense can overload and clearing zone defenders. You rush 4. You have 4 covering deep. So you have 3 total players who have assignments in the short/medium parts of the field. Which are your quick hitters and high % passes. You choose to do that scheme against a team with a superstar TE (short-medium quick hitter)  Sky/Toney/JuJu (slots and gadget guys) it’s a recipe for disaster. 
 

Andy Reid is a legendary coach. Gannon got his ass whooped. 

Good breakdown and I agree.  Not a football whiz and haven't looked at any all-22, but it looked like we had 2-4 DBs playing deep most plays, corners playing 5-10 yards off the line of scrimmage most plays which I can't stand.  Then when Gannon calls the rare blitz it's at the most terrible time and not disguised at all.  Like the house blitz in the red zone to give Mahomes an easy wide open dumpoff pass for a TD.  Like you said, terrible gameplan to go against the best QB/TE in the league. 

2 hours ago, GeorgeM37 said:

I feel exactly the same way....him and gym shorts are equals.....no difference at all....

Agreed, Gannon gives me Schwartz vibes.  They both coach scared, have a soft scheme that doesn't give up a lot of big plays but get picked apart in the short/intermediate game.  I'm honestly tired of it, ready for a more aggressive defense again. 

2 hours ago, NYEagle said:

So a couple of things:

1. This year showed that Hurts is absolutely a Franchise QB

2. Siriani showed that he is going to be a very good Head Coach

3. We played and lost to the best QB in the NFL

4. That Illegal Hands call was about as bad a call in a critical situation that I can remember.  My god, you stop them there with a 1:30 or so left and yes they kick a field goal but you at least have a chance to not only drive the field and tie, but win.

5. Our defense was pathetic, I mean did we stop them on any drives?  I think the answer is no, I don't remember them punting at all.  The only reason we had a lead at halftime was because the Chiefs never had the ball, not because of our great defense.

6. The Hurts fumble hurt, but we were still up 10 at halftime and the guy played a hell of a game.

7. THANK GOD FOR 2017

Agreed, we would have had 1:30 or 1:40 left, and one timeout left as well.  Totally doable to at least tie if not win and they took it away from them. 

If they don't horrendously overturn that Smith catch, we're up 28-14 at half. 

1 hour ago, EmeraldArcher7154 said:

the flag was bad but the defense put them in the position to allow a bad ref call to be the difference. i wanna know wtf they were thinking on those 2 wide open TD passes. once i could understand but twice and in the super bowl no less? 

Yep, Slay got burnt on one of them.  He's been invisible since halfway through this season. 

If Hurts was not great, mahomes puts up 60 on this defense

5 minutes ago, [TSM]_PimpDaddyPain said:

Yep, Slay got burnt on one of them.  He's been invisible since halfway through this season. 

I was saying the same thing earlier. He completely disappeared.

Coupla things nagging me today...gotta get em off my chest

1.) No excuse for losing the battles in the trenches yesterday.  We have invested too much money on our offensive and defensive lines to get that kind of production from them in the post season.  

2.) After the first quarter I actually thought we did a pretty good job covering Kelce, the Chiefs game plan then became the Pacheco and Mahomes show and we couldn't stop either one of them on the ground. 

3.) Getting plays in on time was an issue all day.  I don't remember how many times I screamed at the TV "snap the f'n ball" with one second left.  Thankfully it only burned them with one delay of game, but that should never happen in the super bowl. 

4.) Terrible punt and coverage to set up big KC return.  I still don't know how we gave that up. 

5.) Jalen fumble/TD return was unacceptable, but also a by-product of not being able to adequately protect him

6.) Inability to adjust after a halftime.  Andy clearly changed things up, but we were not able to adjust our coverage in a way to get a single defensive stop in the second half.  Gannon got completely outcoached in this game. 

Ok, I think I'm done...

1 hour ago, Peacekeeper said:

That’s called Gannon on the payroll for the new NFL golden boy mahomes to get the W

Refs too 

Unless you think Eagles play soft zone all game and only get one incompletion in the second half cause the chiefs are that good at magically having players wide open 

The sudden disappearance of our ridiculously good running game is a bit suspicious to me as well. But whatevs. On to the draft.

1 minute ago, The Norseman said:

Coupla things nagging me today...gotta get em off my chest

1.) No excuse for losing the battles in the trenches yesterday.  We have invested too much money on our offensive and defensive lines to get that kind of production from them in the post season.  

2.) After the first quarter I actually thought we did a pretty good job covering Kelce, the Chiefs game plan then became the Pacheco and Mahomes show and we couldn't stop either one of them on the ground. 

3.) Getting plays in on time was an issue all day.  I don't remember how many times I screamed at the TV "snap the f'n ball" with one second left.  Thankfully it only burned them with one delay of game, but that should never happen in the super bowl. 

4.) Terrible punt and coverage to set up big KC return.  I still don't know how we gave that up. 

5.) Jalen fumble/TD return was unacceptable, but also a by-product of not being able to adequately protect him

6.) Inability to adjust after a halftime.  Andy clearly changed things up, but we were not able to adjust our coverage in a way to get a single defensive stop in the second half.  Gannon got completely outcoached in this game. 

Ok, I think I'm done...

I have one gripe with this. Our guys in the trenches were dominate ALL YEAR with the exception of this game. A game that happened to have one of the crappiest fields of all time in a Super Bowl game seemingly favoring KC. Stinks. No one can tell me that KCs lines were better than everyone we played this year. Not buying that ever. Just has a smell to it. Either way Defense laid a dud in the 2nd half so hey.

1 minute ago, judunno said:

I have one gripe with this. Our guys in the trenches were dominate ALL YEAR with the exception of this game. A game that happened to have one of the crappiest fields of all time in a Super Bowl game seemingly favoring KC. Stinks. No one can tell me that KCs lines were better than everyone we played this year. Not buying that ever. Just has a smell to it. Either way Defense laid a dud in the 2nd half so hey.

I agree that it makes no sense.  But, I can't blame crappy turf conditions when both teams played on the same field.  We simply didn't execute and they did. 

3 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

I agree that it makes no sense.  But, I can't blame crappy turf conditions when both teams played on the same field.  We simply didn't execute and they did. 

Just has a severe smell for me is all. This team totally manhandled practically everyone in the trenches this year and then this. I'll never be convinced that a lesser defense suddenly became this good stuffing our run without some sort of implicit advantage.

39 minutes ago, [TSM]_PimpDaddyPain said:

Agreed, Gannon gives me Schwartz vibes.  They both coach scared, have a soft scheme that doesn't give up a lot of big plays but get picked apart in the short/intermediate game.  I'm honestly tired of it, ready for a more aggressive defense again. 

At least run D was solid w Jim 

39 minutes ago, [TSM]_PimpDaddyPain said:

Agreed, we would have had 1:30 or 1:40 left, and one timeout left as well.  Totally doable to at least tie if not win and they took it away from them. 

If they don't horrendously overturn that Smith catch, we're up 28-14 at half. 

This. And if they get that chance late game I truly believe we win

12 minutes ago, judunno said:

Just has a severe smell for me is all. This team totally manhandled practically everyone in the trenches this year and then this. I'll never be convinced that a lesser defense suddenly became this good stuffing our run without some sort of implicit advantage.

I see what you're saying.  What's even more suspect to me is our inability to stop the run.  It was absolutely a viable argument to suggest that we hadn't been tested against an elite quarterback all year, but there is no way you could make that argument about facing (and containing) elite running backs.  How we got repeatedly gashed by a 7th round rookie I will never understand. 

My four takeaways:

- Jalen’s fumble for a TD

- The 4th quarter Chiefs punt return

- Lack of sacks/plays from Eagles Defense 

- Lack of Eagles running game.

These items are why the Iggles lost and will eat at me for a looooong time. Hell, the first two gave the Chiefs 14 points!! That is tough for any team to overcome.

5 minutes ago, LacesOut said:

My four takeaways:

- Jalen’s fumble for a TD

- The 4th quarter Chiefs punt return

- Lack of sacks/plays from Eagles Defense 

- Lack of Eagles running game.

These items are why the Iggles lost and will eat at me for a looooong time. Hell, the first two gave the Chiefs 14 points!! That is tough for any team to overcome.

I've been told by several posters that this doesn't matter because we were up at halftime.

12 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

I see what you're saying.  What's even more suspect to me is our inability to stop the run.  It was absolutely a viable argument to suggest that we hadn't been tested against an elite quarterback all year, but there is no way you could make that argument about facing (and containing) elite running backs.  How we got repeatedly gashed by a 7th round rookie I will never understand. 

But we have been tested though...and failed all the tests. Ever since week one which elite or great QB have we been able to shutdown? Goff Dak Rogers all laid 30+ points on this D. 

And when its ur best secondary player who commits the final killer penalty in the game...well i dunno what else to say or think about this D anymore.

The call was horrendous, but it was Coach doofus that ultimately cost us the game. It also figures Andy Reid waited until last night to actually run the ball and manage the clock properly. Why we didn't run the ball and grind down the clock with the lead in the second half is inexplicable. Why Gannon was bringing the house and leaving guys wide open when he hasn't done that all year is also inexplicable. I guess the concept of "going with what got us there" is lost on these bozos. 

I give a lot of credit to Hurts though. Kid played his guts out. He's the franchise. He jsut needs to learn to not carry the ball like a loaf of bread. 

9 minutes ago, opa-opa said:

But we have been tested though...and failed all the tests. Ever since week one which elite or great QB have we been able to shutdown? Goff Dak Rogers all laid 30+ points on this D. 

And when its ur best secondary player who commits the final killer penalty in the game...well i dunno what else to say or think about this D anymore.

Fair, but the new elite are Mahomes, Burrow, Hurts and arguably Allen.  My point was more about the RBs we faced.  Can't understand how we stifle guys like Barkley and Henry and get gashed by Pacheco. 

No excuses. A loss is a loss. Congrats to the Chiefs and Mahomes. Two awesome teams played an instant classic, Eagles just came out of it on the losing side.

My thoughts this morning are the same as they were back in November when the Phillies lost the World Series -- bittersweet and hopeful.

If you told me in September the Eagles would go 14-3, earn the #1 seed in the NFC and then lose the Super Bowl, I would have said, "well that sucks but what a great season." I feel the same today.

Philadelphia fandom has always been a story or what ifs or near misses. That's why you love it and also why you hate it. It's a Philly thing.

And that is why wherever I travel and I see someone wearing an Eagles hat or an old Brian Dawkins jersey the greeting and the sentiment always remains --

Go Birds!

2 hours ago, Bamabird said:

Please tell me you're not serious? They were running in for a TD and sat down on the 2 yard line so they could eat up clock. The defense did not stop them, they stopped themselves!

Eagles were letting them run in for a TD since that was the only chance to get the ball back. The Chiefs player smartly gave himself up.