2 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Just some random musings based on  draft hype and what I've been reading here.

-- Eagles would be an ideal landing spot for Jalen Carter. Strong organization that will invest in helping him, strong veteran leadership, high character peers who played with him in college. There's still a lot we don't know, but I believe the Eagles will do their due diligence enough to make the right decision either way on the character piece.

-- Seems like arm length is such a major factor in NFL success for so many positions. Whoever they draft with their first pick, I hope it's not a T-Rex.

-- At this point it seems like a long shot he falls to 10, but I'm way more in on Van Ness than it seems others here are. Dude is gonna be a stud.

-- Hendon Hooker will be a fascinating case. If he's there at 30, I could see a redo of the 2018  trade back. Who knows.

 

Most of what I see with Van Ness is him getting stonewalled at the LOS, then coming in and making tackles after the offense's play breaks down.  It's great to have that effort and energy level, but I'm not sure he can win consistently at the snap.

On many of the plays the other Iowa DE (#97) looks to be as effective, or more so.

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Most of what I see with Van Ness is him getting stonewalled at the LOS, then coming in and making tackles after the offense's play breaks down.  It's great to have that effort and energy level, but I'm not sure he can win consistently at the snap.

On many of the plays the other Iowa DE (#97) looks to be as effective, or more so.

Keep in mind that Van Ness was only a Sophomore and didn't even start yet, still put up 13 sacks and 19 TFL over the course of 2 years.  That's not a knock on his game, Iowa is an old school program that starts seniority over talent.  

Van Ness was a DT prior to this year but out of the 458 snaps he played, 227 came as a stand up end.  He offers tremendous position versatility and comes loaded with potential.  I think you can play him at any DL or rush OLB position in the Eagles defense.  

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Most of what I see with Van Ness is him getting stonewalled at the LOS, then coming in and making tackles after the offense's play breaks down.  It's great to have that effort and energy level, but I'm not sure he can win consistently at the snap.

On many of the plays the other Iowa DE (#97) looks to be as effective, or more so.

I haven't watched every snap, but he seems like a flash guy. Gotta figure out why that is and if he can develop.

What I do know is he has some of the most impressive speed to power measurables you can have. Unless he's a total knob or lazy, I just can't imagine he'll flame out. Good rotational guy at worst, top 5 guy at best.

41 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

They need to have an honest discussion debating if Nolan Smith's athleticism translates to the NFL and if his lack of production was a schematic issue.  On paper, it sure seems nice to have as many players from that Georgia defense as possible...like stacking up on Alabama offensive players...which we seem to like.

This may sound like a silly question...but how useful would 2 Hassan Reddick's be??  He is a hybrid player who rushes from a 2 point stance and moves around the defense.

2 of them could be incredible, or could throw the defense out of balance.  It's a salivating thought, but (going off memory without examples) several 3-4 teams have invested in freakish burner edge guys from both sides in the past and usually only one ends up consistently pinning back and making plays.  There is more balance in dominant 4-3 edge guys.  

I'm intrigued by having 2 of them, but it's something to consider.  But I do think that Nolan Smith is the most intriguing player for us in the draft.

Van Ness?  Meh.  He's Josh Sweat insurance.  Kancey?  Meh, he merely does what we aspire to getting from Milton Williams, who is bigger, tested better, is already in the fold, and came on strong late last year.  

The CBs would be nice, smart picks...but we'd be looking for no boost from them until 2024.  Ditto an OL.

Ras compare Kancey and Williams

https://ras.football/ras-compare/?&p1=19162&p2=20033&pos=DT

Williams does have a higher RAS at DT.

9.96 vs 9.61.   The biggest difference between those numbers is that Kancey is shorter.  6'1.  vs Williams 6'3.   And that's a 1 something RAS for Kancey and a 6 something RAS for Williams.

Other numbers are identical.  at the shuttle,  both have 4.33. At the 40 time, both have 4.67.

Overall, I'd say that Kancey is quicker/more agile,  Williams is stronger/more explosive.

Kancey wins 10 split - 1.58 to 1.65

and wins 3 cone - 6.82 to 6.96

Williams wins both jumps, 38.5 to 33.5 and 1001 to 904.   Kancey didn't bench, and Williams had 34.

 

Thing is,  the Eagles lost Hargrave,  arguably the best DT they had.   So, it makes sense that they'd want to replace Hargrave with someone similar, and Kancey is similar.   Great RAS with those 2 excellent agility/quickness numbers,  and he was a unanimous AA.

 

Pass on Jalen Carter. Wouldn't take him with 30 if he fell that far.

1 hour ago, Outlaw said:

Williams?

Yeah my bad. William Anderson 

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

I am predicting that all of those players will be avaialble and Howie will pass on them to draft Paris Johnson.  

I like Paris johnson more than most. Only issue is he’s playing RG for a year or two. But he’s massive and has athleticism at his size so I’m guessing he could be fine there until lane retires. I’m not against it if they think that highly of him. 

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

I've been seeing the Milton Williams chatter heating up the last few days in regards to a reason not to take Kancey.  Wouldn't it be great to have two unblockable athletic freaks at DT?  Since the Eagles rotate so much anyway it's not like they would be constantly pounded on and wearing down but on the flipside they would be able to come in fresh after the OL had 6-6 330 lbs of Jordan Davis leaning on them.  I love the idea of Williams and Kancey together. 

Van Ness wouldn't be Sweat insurance, he would be BG's replacement when he hangs them up next year as well as another big body that could move inside to create mismatches.  

The Eagles had Milton last year.

The Eagles also had Hargrave last year.

Hargrave is gone.

The idea I think would be  to replace Hargrave with Kancey.

I kinda like the idea of trading down, taking Kancey, and getting some pocket change to take players on day 3.  If there is a next years 1 as well, great.

Who is the high RAS freakbeast who also played great in college?

I think that Kancey does fall into that category.    His jumps could be better,  but unanimous AA + definitely quick and agile and fast.  Based just at looking at the numbers,  Kancey could be pretty much anywhere on the DL.   6.82 3 cone and 1.58 10 split are good numbers for an edge rusher.  And 281 pounds is not too small for setting the edge.  

Nolan Smith has great numbers,  but I don't really like defensive lineman weighing 237 pounds.  Sure,  swap Nolan in for Quez, sure, can Nolan play ILB?

Who are the DLs  who are the general size of DLs, who have great RAS and played great in college, winning awards?

53 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Most of what I see with Van Ness is him getting stonewalled at the LOS, then coming in and making tackles after the offense's play breaks down.  It's great to have that effort and energy level, but I'm not sure he can win consistently at the snap.

On many of the plays the other Iowa DE (#97) looks to be as effective, or more so.

Van Ness - bench - 17.
That's 2.15  RAS for a DE.
vert - 31.   That 4.27 RAS for a DE.

Not particularly strong.

His 40, 10 split,  3 cone and vert are all excellent for a DE at 272.

 

compare Oweh to Van Ness.
Ras Compare
https://ras.football/ras-compare/?&p1=23274&p2=18983&pos=DE

46 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Pass on Jalen Carter. Wouldn't take him with 30 if he fell that far.

Ditto.  He’d be off my board as a first round pick.  If the Eagles trade back from 30 a few spots and he’s still on the board in the early second round, that’s a different discussion.

No way I’d parade that guy up in front of the media as a first round pick.

2 hours ago, NCiggles said:

I am predicting that all of those players will be avaialble and Howie will pass on them to draft Paris Johnson.  

That would be so so bad

The most likely pick at 10.

 

 

10 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

The most likely pick at 10.

 

 

You an insider?

Just now, EaglePhan1986 said:

You an insider?

 

Closest thing to it on this board. 

1 hour ago, Random Reglar said:

Van Ness - bench - 17.
That's 2.15  RAS for a DE.
vert - 31.   That 4.27 RAS for a DE.

Not particularly strong.

His 40, 10 split,  3 cone and vert are all excellent for a DE at 272.

 

compare Oweh to Van Ness.
Ras Compare
https://ras.football/ras-compare/?&p1=23274&p2=18983&pos=DE

17 reps is just fine for someone his size. Those guys with long arms dont do well on bench. Hes functionally very strong.

14 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

The most likely pick at 10.

 

 

Where would he start in Dessai’s projected system? Would be all for it if we move to a 3-4 but that doesn’t seem to be the case

I watched like 10 Youtube videos last year of Jordan Davis of draft geeks drooling over his "athletic profile" and breaking down like 5 random plays over the course of a full season to show how "special" his talent his, and still, I was unconvinced because of his lack of production and the amount of Georgia games I watched where out of everyone on defense he popped off the screen the least out of most of their starters on defense. And then as a rookie Jordan Davis showed absolutely nothing.

I'm not saying that means Davis will be a bust(although I'm not counting on him being some stud either, I didn't like the pick when they made it). Point being though, I'm always wary of guys who don't have the production to match their profile. I consider Nolan Smith a risky pick. May have high upside I guess, but I think there are other guys in that area way safer than him that don't exactly have low ceilings either.

As for Carter, I could actually see their belief or non belief in him being the determining factor on if they trade down or not. If they do all their homework on him and love him, assuming they love him as a talent, I could see them just taking him if he's there. If not, I could see them deciding there's no one else they have to take at 10 that's worth them losing out on extra draft capital.

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I watched like 10 Youtube videos last year of Jordan Davis of draft geeks drooling over his "athletic profile" and breaking down like 5 random plays over the course of a full season to show how "special" his talent his, and still, I was unconvinced because of his lack of production and the amount of Georgia games I watched where out of everyone on defense he popped off the screen the least out of most of their starters on defense. And then as a rookie Jordan Davis showed absolutely nothing.

I'm not saying that means Davis will be a bust(although I'm not counting on him being some stud either, I didn't like the pick when they made it). Point being though, I'm always wary of guys who don't have the production to match their profile. I consider Nolan Smith a risky pick. May have high upside I guess, but I think there are other guys in that area way safer than him that don't exactly have low ceilings either.

As for Carter, I could actually see their belief or non belief in him being the determining factor on if they trade down or not. If they do all their homework on him and love him, assuming they love him as a talent, I could see them just taking him if he's there. If not, I could see them deciding there's no one else they have to take at 10 that's worth them losing out on extra draft capital.

I agree about Davis but if you think he lacked production, then we're not going to be happy at all with Jalen Carter either.  Davis tested out of this world and Carter tested like a hungover 40 year old.

Davis played 37 games: 37 tackles, 11.5 TFL and 7 sacks.

Carter played in 35 games: 39 tackles, 18.5 TFL, 6 sacks.

I honestly think Davis and Carter along with Travon Walker are some of the most overrated players as of late.  No way in hell Walker was deserving of the #1 pick last year and there's nothing at all about Carter that tells me he's the apparent best player in this draft.  I'm starting to think UGA DL benefit from the way they are used but the constant rotation actually hurts them as they move on to the NFL.

I was a big on Quay Walker and Azeez Ojulari.  Ojulari is the kind of player I'd wanted the Eagles to add for some time and hated that he went to the NYG.  Walker was up and down as a rookie, had that really dumb ejection but I think he's going to be a force.  I think Nolan Smith is going to be an Ojulari kind of player in the NFL.

 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I honestly think Davis and Carter along with Travon Walker are some of the most overrated players as of late.

💯

It’s just too much with Carter for me, especially at 10. You will always have the usual leaks of "character” stuff which isn’t entirely true, but the problem with him is he’s bringing it all on himself. Setting aside the legal issues, which might be a big deal to some or some teams, others will look the other way, something is just off. He doesn’t want to work out at the combine, fine. He shows up to his pro day overweight and doesn’t even do all the workouts while the few he does he’s gassed and can’t finish, major red flag. He’s in need of good PR and for whatever reason it is he’s limiting himself to a select few teams (less than 10 when you consider some are for sure taking QB) another major red flag. The only thing you hear about him is ominous or just bad with no one standing up for him, another red flag. All this during the most important 4ish months in his life, you have to wonder how committed he is to this. 

Can something please happen in sports so twitter can shut up about Caitlyn Clark and Angel Reese.  My goodness, they are slobbing over Reese for mocking Clark.  The Phillies are doing their best by getting wiped again but we need a national story.  

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Can something please happen in sports so twitter can shut up about Caitlyn Clark and Angel Reese.  My goodness, they are slobbing over Reese for mocking Clark.  The Phillies are doing their best by getting wiped again but we need a national story.  

Yeah, the worst part is people trying to act like what Clark did (the You Can’t See Me thing to her own bench) is the same as Reese stalking her around the court for 20 seconds to taunt her. It’s nauseating. 

16 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It’s just too much with Carter for me, especially at 10. You will always have the usual leaks of "character” stuff which isn’t entirely true, but the problem with him is he’s bringing it all on himself. Setting aside the legal issues, which might be a big deal to some or some teams, others will look the other way, something is just off. He doesn’t want to work out at the combine, fine. He shows up to his pro day overweight and doesn’t even do all the workouts while the few he does he’s gassed and can’t finish, major red flag. He’s in need of good PR and for whatever reason it is he’s limiting himself to a select few teams (less than 10 when you consider some are for sure taking QB) another major red flag. The only thing you hear about him is ominous or just bad with no one standing up for him, another red flag. All this during the most important 4ish months in his life, you have to wonder how committed he is to this. 

Well said...and on top of that, I've yet to hear anyone explain why he's supposedly this can't miss prospect.  I wonder how many people just hear one thing and then latch themselves to it no matter what.  Are there really that many fans out there that think if he's there at 10 the Eagles have to run to the podium or better yet if he makes it to 7 they're dumb if they don't trade up for him?  I hear he has the physical traits you want in a DT.  OK great, he sure as hell never played up to it.

28 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I agree about Davis but if you think he lacked production, then we're not going to be happy at all with Jalen Carter either.  Davis tested out of this world and Carter tested like a hungover 40 year old.

Davis played 37 games: 37 tackles, 11.5 TFL and 7 sacks.

Carter played in 35 games: 39 tackles, 18.5 TFL, 6 sacks.

I honestly think Davis and Carter along with Travon Walker are some of the most overrated players as of late.  No way in hell Walker was deserving of the #1 pick last year and there's nothing at all about Carter that tells me he's the apparent best player in this draft.  I'm starting to think UGA DL benefit from the way they are used but the constant rotation actually hurts them as they move on to the NFL.

I was a big on Quay Walker and Azeez Ojulari.  Ojulari is the kind of player I'd wanted the Eagles to add for some time and hated that he went to the NYG.  Walker was up and down as a rookie, had that really dumb ejection but I think he's going to be a force.  I think Nolan Smith is going to be an Ojulari kind of player in the NFL.

 

Carter’s lack of production concerns me. I love his get off and explosiveness he displayed at times though. IMO Jordan Davis didn’t have that. Also felt like Carter had a nasty streak when watching him I didn’t see from Davis.

But I always thought ranking Carter over Anderson even before the legal stuff was insane.

2 hours ago, greendestiny27 said:

That would be so so bad

Why? RG upgrade and the OL will have the RT of the future to learn from Lane vs rolling the dice on DL. That's not what I'm hoping for but it wouldn't be bad at all.