3 hours ago, mattwill said:

I’m with Toast on this.  It has another layer that was a byproduct of the game strategy that Iowa deployed against South Carolina, where they packed the paint defensively and dared SC to beat them with outside shots.  Reese was vocal prior to the game that (A) Iowa was disrespectful to SC in deploying that defensive approach, and (B) if Iowa tried the same approach against LSU they would get a very different result.  So there was an element of "We warned you” Austin’s delivery of her "in the moment” gesture.

no offense it was a smart strategy. helped win the Fing game because of it. Meanwhile, LSU played South Carolina earlier in the year got their ass handed to them by 24 points. Maybe if LSU decided to do that same strategy, they might’ve actually beaten South Carolina earlier in the year. imo you’re gonna get upset because somebody had the wherewithal to be smart enough to come up with that strategy then that’s a pretty ridiculously dumb statement to make. 

also, LSU should’ve been thrilled that it was Iowa playing them in the national championship instead of South Carolina. Because if it was South Carolina, South Carolina has the athletes to compete with LSU better whereas iowa really didn’t and likely lose to South Carolina a majority of the time cause if that. If lsu played Sc they likely get rocked again and not be national champs. 

frankly, I thought that was one of the most idiotic things LSU was talking about and upset about all weekend. That’s called strategy and it beat a 36-0 team who hadn’t lost in over a year and a team that destroyed LSU this year. So they anre upset and disrespected because they were smart enough to use it and have it work? Imo That sounds pretty Fing stupid. Almost as moronic as Peter king being offended that the eagles run that Qb sneak they’ve perfected 

what really should be more talked about is the LSU coach mulkey acting like a lunatic on the sideline to an official and she’s completely on the court during offensive sets for iowa. How she didn’t get a tech or at least a warning is amazing. you are telling me this isn’t a tech? 

 

12 minutes ago, mattwill said:

So, what you see in the image below crosses the line too?  Strange, since it is revered as an iconic moment. 

So now you are comparing a sport where two men literally try to knock the other one out to women's basketball. Furthermore you post a picture a second after one knocks the other one out which as heat of the moment as it gets. Yeah because that's at all comparable to a women's basketball player deliberately following another one around the court for over 10 seconds and taunting her right up in her grill.

Hello Apple, my name is Orange......🙄

30 minutes ago, mattwill said:

So, what you see in the image below crosses the line too?  Strange, since it is revered as an iconic moment. 

Best dive in boxing history.  I suspect Liston threw both fights 

Reese is an idiot cause Clark cooked them lol 30 points

51 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Rich Gannon was asked on NFL Radio today where Kenny Pickett would rank among this year’s QB draft class.  He said Pickett would be at the top.

I would say Stroud-Pickett-Young

Well considering Pickett went #20 in a terrible QB draft and 4 guys are projected to go top-15 in this one, I think Rich Gannon might be full of crap

8 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Well considering Pickett went #20 in a terrible QB draft and 4 guys are projected to go top-15 in this one, I think Rich Gannon might be full of crap

Such a ridiculous statement. These guys just say random nonsense.

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Honestly, the most explosive play Carter ever made was when he was lined up at FB on the goal line.  

Random Regular chiming in to draft him to play him on offense in 3...2...1..

 

 

Well, Jordan Davis scored a TD for Georgia and the Eagles have him.

What I'd be looking for at 10 is better character,  versatile freakbeast, but mostly top freakbeast. He didn't run at the combine,  I'd want to see all of those numbers before I spent a 1/10.  Kancey gave his numbers.  I like those numbers.   I might say,  use Kancey at FB.  short, heavy, fast and quick.  Cam Jurgens, who will probably be the starting RB,  did have a very good TE resume, #4 TE coming out of HS - ESPN.  He might need to be reminded how to do something, maybe, but he's already done a lot before at TE/FB. 

I think Richardson is the most potent weapon,  Brian Johnson was his OC at Florida in 2020.  He played almost none that year,  but the last drive of the last game,  Johnson's last game at Florida,  Richardson looked good to me. TD drive with 2 shorter runs of about 8 yards a piece,  a 27 yard run and a 27 yard TD pass.   I think the Eagles should draft him at 10 if he's there.   I'd rather him be out there, doing innovative stuff instead of Quez.  Brian Johnson makes him excellent.  What do people think happens with Brian Johnson in the next 5 years?  Probably a lot of different things could happen,  but one of the top most likely scenarios is Eagles win and Brian Johnson is offered a HC job. Currently the Colts have a HC, and I wouldn't be surprised if he would be very happy if he magically had Hurts.  And Brian Johnson, new HC of ?,  might be very happy with either Hurts or Richardson.  Theoretically,  Hurts at QB w/ Richardson in the backfield, LH, let's say,  and the Eagles win big and Johnson leaves for HC, and brings Richardson with him, at potentially a very high cost.  

1 hour ago, Random Reglar said:

those are both positions that need starters, and Davis can't do both.  Davis could be one of many versatile backs who play a few snaps occasionally.

Jordan Davis ran for a TD at Georgia.

Do you think Davis can punt as well?

2 hours ago, T-1000 said:

What Reese did was extremely low class and pathetic. Furthermore, your team is on the verge of winning a national championship and you are more concerned with trying to show up your opponent than being happy that you are champ. It's pathetic, and anyone making this about race is a clown. I lost all respect for those who are making this a race issue. This is about carrying yourself with class or not which has NOTHING to do with color.

Reese literally did the exact same thing that Clark did. And the media was proclaiming how great Clark was after the Sc game never mentioning disrespect with her actions.  It is only a story because Clark got exactly what she dished out by a person of color.  Just a different standard.   But, as I have said before, it is more racist in the eyes of the pillars of EMB to point out actual racism than to actually be racist.    

But, whatever, it is women's basketball.  Probably the most pub it has gotten in years.

 

Just watched the Jalen carter bodycam footage. Off the board in the first. 

2 hours ago, Cliftoma said:

Reese literally did the exact same thing that Clark did. And the media was proclaiming how great Clark was after the Sc game never mentioning disrespect with her actions.  It is only a story because Clark got exactly what she dished out by a person of color.  Just a different standard.   But, as I have said before, it is more racist in the eyes of the pillars of EMB to point out actual racism than to actually be racist.    

But, whatever, it is women's basketball.  Probably the most pub it has gotten in years.

 

I said it when watching Clark do it and done it in the past that it was petty and classless. I feel like her elite 8 situation wasn’t the worst I’ve seen her do in the past. Imo was  petty and classless (i think was ulterior motives for her doing it). Reese was also petty and classless (tend to think her’s was optically worse. basically going out of her way to stalk her and taunt her around the court instead of celebrating with teammates/coaches about their title that is unfolding in the moment). I dislike when draymond, klay, Patrick Beverley, Austin reeves and nba players do it. It’s really about making it about yourself and showing up your opponent. It’s classless and petty. (Just saying when aj brown did it to the Steelers i felt it was dumb cause it cost you 15 yards and it was also in poor taste to do it). Celebrate with your teammates and have fun. Don’t have stoop to a level to show-up your opponent. 

*edited to make more clear on my stance  

I think taunting makes the sport more fun and dramatic, I’ll all for it

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I said it when watching Clark do it that it was petty and classless. It was just as petty and classless by Reese. I dislike when draymond, klay, Patrick Beverley, Austin reeves and nba players do it. It’s really about making it about yourself and showing up your opponent. It’s classless and petty. (Just saying when aj brown did it to the Steelers i felt it was dumb cause it cost you 15 yards and it was also in poor taste to do it). Celebrate with your teammates and have fun. Don’t have stoop to a level to show-up your opponent. 

Agree on that level for sure.  But, like was already said, if you can dish it out you be better be ready to take it.  Really, the uproar of what Reese did is what created this rather than the defense of her actions.  Both were unsportsmanlike.  I don't see the difference.

3 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Look at his RAS and tell me he isn’t the perfect slot WR 

One of many that play the versatile back position,  taking snaps from Quez.  Davis can do that in short yardage / goal line situations.   You wouldn't have Quez out there in that goal line situation.

The Eagles have many players who could play that versatile back postion occasionally for a few snaps, or one snap, here and there.  Davis is just one.  That great blocking play by Carter could be Davis, could be other DL, like Cox.  Could be backup OL,  could be future HoF getting TDs when backups are getting snaps at their starting spots.  In short yardage situations.   Most of the pro Quez or pro upgrade at the slot has something to do with needing a quality decoy to stretch the field so it will be easy for Smith, Brown and Goedert to catch passes. There are a number of different ways any number of players in that versatile back / LH position can make it easy on Hurts throwing to Smith, Brown and Goedert.


But wait - looking up Carter's high school data.   Was a TE.

"High School: Apopka HS, coached by Jeff Rolson...selected to participate in the 2020 Under Armour All-America Game...247Sports.com composite five-star prospect, #18 player nationally...ESPN.com four-star prospect, ranked as the #12 prospect nationally, #3 DT nationally and the #5 prospect in Florida...ranked as the #53 prospect nationally, #6 defensive tackle nationally and the #9 prospect in Florida...PrepStar Magazine four-star prospect, Top 150 Dream Team, #3DT, #65 prospect nationally...rivals.com four-star prospect, ranked as the #49 prospect nationally, #4 DT nationally and the #23 prospect in Florida...played defensive tackle, tight end and punter for Apopka, leading the Blue Darters to a 12-1 record, No. 5 state ranking, and appearance in the FHSAA Class 8A Championship Game in his senior season.."

21 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Reese literally did the exact same thing that Clark did. And the media was proclaiming how great Clark was after the Sc game never mentioning disrespect with her actions.  It is only a story because Clark got exactly what she dished out by a person of color.  Just a different standard.   But, as I have said before, it is more racist in the eyes of the pillars of EMB to point out actual racism than to actually be racist.    

But, whatever, it is women's basketball.  Probably the most pub it has gotten in years.

 

You are 100% factually incorrect. Clark was running down the court after a basket and did the you can't see me to the entire bench of the other team for about two seconds and kept running. Reese stalked Clark all over the court for over 10 seconds, did the you can't see me directly to her personally once or twice, then starred at her and pointed to her ring finger. She made it personal which Clark never did.

Furthermore, Clark didn't do what she did to anyone on the LSU team. She did it in the elite 8 game against a different team. If you listen to Reese's comments about it after the game she had something personal thing that she turned into a racial issue and took it out on Clark for being white which is racist in and of itself.

Let me just say yet again that I am a black man. I do believe Racism exists and is a major problem in this country. I also believe that systemic racism is a major problem in this country. You know what else is a problem though, when black turn their anger about it into racism themselves against the wrong people. It only makes the divide deeper and solves nothing. Clark herself she got treated as if she was a thug and "gheto" throughout the year and turned around and gave racists exactly the fuel they want by acting like one towards Clark.

Try getting your facts straight before you jump into the conversation next time.

13 hours ago, paco said:

Did his agent explain to him that teams can and will trade up?

Its a bizarre take isn't it. And likely that if he goes later on he'll actually go to a better team.

4 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

versatile freakbeast, but mostly top freakbeast.

@NOTW no super weaponzzz anymore now it's top freakbeasts!

6 hours ago, mattwill said:

So, what you see in the image below crosses the line too?  Strange, since it is revered as an iconic moment. 

False equivalency 

Personally i think throwing dumb celebrations back in the face of the athletes who do them are always ok. Sack rodgers? Do his little crotch move. Score on ray lewis, do his dance. Sack cam, do a superman. No issue for me, and certainly one act is not any more classless than the other. 

16 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Personally i think throwing dumb celebrations back in the face of the athletes who do them are always ok. Sack rodgers? Do his little crotch move. Score on ray lewis, do his dance. Sack cam, do a superman. No issue for me, and certainly one act is not any more classless than the other. 

couldn't agree more.  I don't even know why this is a story.  although I do agree with one of the above posts that this does bring women's basketball into the mainstream convo, so there's that.  

5 hours ago, Cliftoma said:

Reese literally did the exact same thing that Clark did. And the media was proclaiming how great Clark was after the Sc game never mentioning disrespect with her actions.  It is only a story because Clark got exactly what she dished out by a person of color.  Just a different standard.   But, as I have said before, it is more racist in the eyes of the pillars of EMB to point out actual racism than to actually be racist.    

But, whatever, it is women's basketball.  Probably the most pub it has gotten in years.

 

First,  I don't know why your still going on about "pillars".

Second,  I have not seen any of the so called pillars imply that it was inappropriate for the LSU chick to do that. You don't even know who you are calling racist.  You should be far more careful about that. 

3rd, I didn't know you were racist.  Noted.

7 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Best dive in boxing history.  I suspect Liston threw both fights 

Not both. He quit in the first one because he was getting his ass handed to him. Definitely took a dive in the second.

Re: the women's final.

Reese was classless. Mulkey got away with murder. The refs ruined the game. The better team won.

JMHO.

I don’t think it’s racism, some of it might be, but I believe it’s more elitism. It could have been 2 white players or a black superstar insulted by a white player and it would have still caused a stir.

the problem I believe is more elitism. Caitlyn Clark is the poster child for Women’s college basketball. Angel Reese is a really good player, but most of the people who heard of the incident had no idea who she was. This goes on in all sports all the time. Iverson will hit a shot in someone’s face and then step over them in a show of dominance, but could you imagine if Tyron Lue did that to Iverson? People would flip out about how disrespectful he is to his betters. 
 

If Angel did this to a random nobody from Iowa’s bench, no one would care. If Caitlyn did this to Angel in the event Iowa won, everyone would love her swagger. But because the superstar was tarnished by a gesture, it’s problematic. Been an issue for decades, whenever someone taunts Kobe despite him doing it all game to everyone else. Whenever a nowhere-U DB shows up a pro bowl WR after a pass breakup. Maybe race exacerbates it, but that’s not the main cog here I believe.

Taunting and trash talk is the norm in most team sports, particularly basketball. I’m generally surprised anyone even cared to notice she did that.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

First,  I don't know why your still going on about "pillars".

Second,  I have not seen any of the so called pillars imply that it was inappropriate for the LSU chick to do that. You don't even know who you are calling racist.  You should be far more careful about that. 

3rd, I didn't know you were racist.  Noted.

Sorry if I offended the "pillars."  That term has been thrown out there so many times and in so many contexts that is hard to determine to whom it actual refers.  Just to clarify that it wasn't pointing fingers at anyone in particular but the general attitude on this board regarding race relations. 

Again, discussing actual racism is not racist no matter how many times you say it.  I agree that stirring the race pot when there isn't justification is just a cheap political trick that is counter productive to race relations.  Now that is race baiting.  But, every discussion about race isn't race baiting and it sure as heck isn't "racist" to discuss race.

The only reason people even brought race up in this situation was because of the unequal reactions to essentially the same action.  That is what the discussion is about.  Clark does it and look how great she.  Reese does it and look how classless she is.  Yeah, Reese got in her face which took it to another level but what is good for the goose is good for the gander.  If Clark wants to talk ish, she should expect to get it back.