October 7, 20242 yr 12 minutes ago, Gannan said: If this were to happen I don't see any scenario where we don't get a 3rd, 4th, or even a 5th term of Trump (if he's alive). I just can't picture a scenario where his term ends and he just goes "Well it's been great, I'm endorsing Vance for president in 2028". He will say his first term doesn't count against the term term limit because reasons. He will be sued. The supreme court will shrug, and he will be on the ballot in 2028. He will lose to Newsome or whatever Dem runs, but it won't matter by then. He will have the power structure in place to throw out ballots, send it back to the legislatures, or whatever else he needs to do to stay in office. Please tell me I am wrong and or crazy. The language of the 22nd Amendment isn't ambiguous at all. Roberts won't go along with something like this, and frankly neither will ACB or Kavanaugh. They didn't fold on his election idiocy. https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/amendments/amendment-xxii#:~:text=Section 2-,Section 1,the President more than once. Quote No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.
October 7, 20242 yr 1 minute ago, vikas83 said: The language of the 22nd Amendment isn't ambiguous at all. Roberts won't go along with something like this, and frankly neither will ACB or Kavanaugh. They didn't fold on his election idiocy. https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/amendments/amendment-xxii#:~:text=Section 2-,Section 1,the President more than once. Yeah, but what if people said really nasty things about the President during his term? Like probably the nastiest things that have ever been said about any President ever? I think there's a pretty strong legal case to be made that that could trigger the "treated very unfairly" clause of the 22nd.
October 7, 20242 yr 6 minutes ago, The_Omega said: Lol So Trump is a petty child. Thanks for the clarification. Here I thought all along he was a level headed leader.
October 7, 20242 yr 13 minutes ago, Gannan said: I'll never vote republican again. Even the "sane ones" were Trump enablers save for Romney, Cheney, and Kinzinger who are all out.
October 7, 20242 yr 12 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Yeah, but what if people said really nasty things about the President during his term? Like probably the nastiest things that have ever been said about any President ever? I think there's a pretty strong legal case to be made that that could trigger the "treated very unfairly" clause of the 22nd. Now, @Gannan, if you want to go into crazy town, this is how you do it. The 22nd Amendment says "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice." So clearly, if Trump were to win in 2024, then he could not be elected a 3rd time. However, if you want to play semantics, it says "elected" and not "serve." The 12th Amendment states that "no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States." But it does not say ineligible to be elected, it says "constitutionally ineligible to the office of President." Well, per Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution, Trump is eligible to serve as President because he is 35, a natural born citizen and has been a resident of the US for 14 years. So crazy town is Trump is someone's running mate, and that person immediately steps down. While such a move would violate the spirit of the 22nd Amendment, it does not violate the strict wording. To bar him, SCOTUS would have to rule that "ineligible to the office of President" includes the prohibition of the 22nd Amendment (like it does the 14th Amendment). But the 14th Amendment says "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State." So it says HOLD, not ELECTED. I'd think SCOTUS would have a hard time barring him based on the drafting.
October 7, 20242 yr 3 minutes ago, Kz! said: lmao it's afraid. "I think there's an undercount". She offers no evidence, no data. Just her feelings. This is the problem with the media.
October 7, 20242 yr 3 minutes ago, Gannan said: "I think there's an undercount". She offers no evidence, no data. Just her feelings. This is the problem with the media. I saw a tweet recently that described Kristen Welker as the Chuck Todd of Andrea Mitchells and couldn't stop laughing. I don't even know any of them that well, but I was still picking up what the tweet was laying down.
October 7, 20242 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: I saw a tweet recently that described Kristen Welker as the Chuck Todd of Andrea Mitchells and couldn't stop laughing. I don't even know any of them that well, but I was still picking up what the tweet was laying down. Kristen Welker is the worst host of MTP they've ever had. I can't even watch the show anymore. You could put a bag of produce in that chair and it would do a better job.
October 7, 20242 yr For perspective Trump is leading Harris among men by 5 points. He beat Hillary with men by 11. Trump beat Biden by 2 points among men. So yeah it'd be nice to get those 3 points. I'm not sure its the panic button Mitchell claims it is.
October 7, 20242 yr 25 minutes ago, Gannan said: For perspective Trump is leading Harris among men by 5 points. He beat Hillary with men by 11. Trump beat Biden by 2 points among men. So yeah it'd be nice to get those 3 points. I'm not sure its the panic button Mitchell claims it is. Isn’t Harris doing better than Biden with women though?
October 7, 20242 yr 4 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said: Isn’t Harris doing better than Biden with women though? yes and african americans and hispanics
October 7, 20242 yr 5 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said: Isn’t Harris doing better than Biden with women though? I don't even care about demos at this point. She has a slim 1pt lead in both WI and PA. And for reference, WI polling was severly undercounting Trump voters by ~6 pts in the last two elections. If she loses WI, she's in real trouble.
October 7, 20242 yr 9 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: I don't even care about demos at this point. She has a slim 1pt lead in both WI and PA. And for reference, WI polling was severly undercounting Trump voters by ~6 pts in the last two elections. If she loses WI, she's in real trouble. That's the doomsday scenario...that because Trump outperformed his polls in 2016, and 2020 he will easily do it again this time around. I'm not saying you're wrong in this logic. No doubt Andrea Mitchell is saying the same thing...if polls say she is down 5 among men, she's really down 15. I'm just not buying it. Beyond the polling, the fundraising gap, and the enthusiasm gap... are very real. So I'm personally not buying the "he will outperform his polls" narrative again. If he's outperforming his polls by 10 points, then she has no chance anyway. Trump would win the popular vote 7 or 8 points. I mean does anyone outside of Procus really think he's going to win the popular vote by 8 points? There are no data points that point to that. This is basically the same thing as the Eagles Vs. Tampa thing in the NFC championship where everyone said Tampa always lost in the past when the weather was below 40 degrees so they will lose again this time.
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