5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Sixers bench is Fing atrocious

Up until that last shot oubre has been awful

1 minute ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Up until that last shot oubre has been awful

Sadly he’s tied for our leading scorer. Probably not winning unless Maxey starts shooting 3s and making them. He’s hit 1 3 this series. Has attempted 0 tonight

Its the 4th quarter. We just got our first bench points.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Its the 4th quarter. We just got our first bench points.

We probably should be grateful they even scored lol

Gotta love the center bricking 3s when you need points quick.

All these Philly fans excited about stupid hockey, and they let Knicks fans take over the arena for the 6ers. Sad. Harris should move the team to a city that cares about basketball.

team is cooked & has no future. even everyone’s favorite maxey is trash. It’s crazy how much better Brunson is than Maxey. It’s not close.

1 minute ago, mr_hunt said:

team is cooked & has no future. even everyone’s favorite maxey is trash. It’s crazy how much better Brunson is than Maxey. It’s not close.

You may be right. But the side by side, year by year comparison tells a different story.

The main difference is that in crunch time, Maxey is setting up Embiid to brick 3s, while Brunson is taking the big shots.

So one is a killer. The other one is a setup guy.

Id love to have seen the torch passed so Maxey can develop (or not) as a killer himself.

Its a a year or 2 beyond time to have passed that torch, but the 6ers wont do it. Embiid's gotta go.

4 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

team is cooked & has no future. even everyone’s favorite maxey is trash. It’s crazy how much better Brunson is than Maxey. It’s not close.

I’ve said this before, I like Maxey. But if you think he’s gonna be your number one guy and you’re gonna win anything meaningful (ECF or finals) that is a pipe dream. He and VJ are just a different iteration of what Portland was. I’d argue Lillard was a better player than Maxey (maybe he catches him but he hasn’t yet), but VJ has a chance to be a better player than McCollum. Essentially if those two are your 1-2 then you’re gonna be a fringe playoff team to potentially a 4/5 seed with the capability of winning a series. But gonna be stuck in a purgatory where you’re not good enough to win a title but you’re not bad enough the bottom out to get that top guy. Essentially you are where the sixers were pre-process. A purgatory of good but simply not good enough

Told PG he could become anything… he became sixers Tobias Harris 

14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’ve said this before, I like Maxey. But if you think he’s gonna be your number one guy and you’re gonna win anything meaningful (ECF or finals) that is a pipe dream. He and VJ are just a different iteration of what Portland was. I’d argue Lillard was a better player than Maxey (maybe he catches him but he hasn’t yet), but VJ has a chance to be a better player than McCollum. Essentially if those two are your 1-2 then you’re gonna be a fringe playoff team with the capability of winning a series. But gonna be stuck in a purgatory where you’re not good enough to win a title but you’re not bad enough the bottom out to get that top guy. Essentially you are where the sixers were pre-process. A purgatory of good but simply not good enough

Maxey has developed at an incredible pace. With Embiid here, I think we have hit the ceiling. Without Embiid, there are new levels for Maxey to POSSIBLY unlock. We dont know if he can, or cant. But we dont even get to see him try, because its still, for some reason, Embiid's team.

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Maxey has developed at an incredible pace. With Embiid here, I think we have hit the ceiling. Without Embiid, there are new levels for Maxey to POSSIBLY unlock. We dont know if he can, or cant. But we dont even get to see him try, because its still, for some reason, Embiid's team.

Maybe. However, I think his ceiling is that of being like Damian Lillard type of playoff success. Damian Lillard was never able to get the Portland Trailblazers to be a true title contender. They had one run to WCF and got smoked when they faced a real contender. Imo PG and Embiid’s contracts hinder the sixers ability to build a team and he/VJ are good enough to prevent them from bottoming out but also limiting them from being nothing more than a team that can make the playoffs and win a round but not a title.

This isn’t saying Tyrese Maxey is not a great player. I think he clearly can be the second best player on a championship team. I just don’t think he could be your no. 1 guy on a championship team. I just don’t see him being that. He’s not what Giannis, joker, LeBron and guys like that were. I think he needs to be more of what Kyrie was to LeBron. Some games where he could step up but really he’s the second guy and he can play off that top guy.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Maybe. However, I think his ceiling is that of being like Damian Lillard. Damian Lillard was never able to get the Portland Trailblazers to be a true title contender. They had one run to WCF and got smoked when they faced a real contender.

This isn’t saying Tyrese Maxey is not a great player. I think he clearly can be the second best player on a championship team. I just don’t think he could be your no. 1 guy on a championship team. I just don’t see him being that. He’s not what Giannis, joker, LeBron and guys like that were. I think he needs to be more of what Kyrie was to LeBron. Some games where he could step up but really he’s the second guy and he can play off that top guy.

Well, the Knicks havent won a championship yet, but the comp made in here was to Brunson saying Brunson is so much better it isnt close.

The opportunity to take big shots is what makes his star shine brighter than Maxey's. So, its hard to even compare them. Maybe Maxey if Maxey got those opportunities, he wouldnt make them. Or, maybe he would be even better at taking over games than Brunson. We cant know because Maxey still gives it up to Embiid.

That speaks to your point too. We cant say he cant be one of those guys. He hasnt had the opportunities to prove that he is or isnt.

Id be all for getting an established alpha in here though. Just not sure how that will ever happen.

I don’t really think Embiid has hamstrung Maxey that badly. I love Maxey, but he needs to be the second best player on a contending team. He can be a volume scorer in the regular season, but against tighter playoff defense, he’s going to implode as a focal point. I don’t think there’s another gear or level there. He’s great for what he is, but he needs 1a level help.

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Well, the Knicks havent won a championship yet, but the comp made in here was to Brunson saying Brunson is so much better it isnt close.

The opportunity to take big shots is what makes his star shine brighter than Maxey's. So, its hard to even compare them. Maybe Maxey if Maxey got those opportunities, he wouldnt make them. Or, maybe he would be even better at taking over games than Brunson. We cant know because Maxey still gives it up to Embiid.

That speaks to your point too. We cant say he cant be one of those guys. He hasnt had the opportunities to prove that he is or isnt.

Id be all for getting an established alpha in here though. Just not sure how that will ever happen.

I’d be more on your side except Joel Embiid was out for the first 3 games against the Celtics, he was really not efficient shooting the ball. He shot 40% game 1; 25% from 3. Game 2 he shot 38%; 42% from 3. Game 3 he shot 39%; 38% from 3. Box score say he had the points, ast numbers. But watching it he wasn’t efficient which he’s always should put up numbers but if you are inefficient it is going to be hard to win 4 games like that. He wasn’t bad in those games but as the top guy the Celtics were able to make his life much harder and i think over 7 games if he’s asked to be the guy he’s going to wear down especially if guarded by bigger defenders. His most efficient games were games 5-7 playing off of Embiid. Granted if they didn’t have Embiid’s contract or PG’s they could field a different team but i still think bigger defenders will wear on him over the course of a series if he’s the no. 1 option.

I ask you this question besides Steph Curry who’s a unicorn because he’s one of the best shooters we’ve ever seen, when was the last guard at his size being number one guy won an NBA title? It’s been a while since that’s happened. Steph Curry is an outlier.

I will say this too I think the Knicks when they run into San Antonio or OKC are going to get beat. IMO think they benefit from the east not being all that great. Boston construction after Tatum injured his Achilles playoffs last year. Pistons got the 1 seed and were on the ropes against Orlando. In the west i see them behind OKC, Spurs. Fully healthy i think Denver is also better. Also Brunson and Knicks have failed as the favorite twice against the pacers.

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don’t really think Embiid has hamstrung Maxey that badly. I love Maxey, but he needs to be the second best player on a contending team. He can be a volume scorer in the regular season, but against tighter playoff defense, he’s going to implode as a focal point. I don’t think there’s another gear or level there. He’s great for what he is, but he needs 1a level help.

I don’t know if I call it implode. I would say over a 7 game series if he is the focal point number one option, seems like teams like Boston and knicks are going to send waves of bigger longer defenders against him. Over the course of a seven game series I think that’s going to wear on him and to get though 4 rounds to win a title is a lot.

Imo i think there’s another level he can get to as he’s 26. But i also think he’s eventually going to be capped. Imo like Lillard, he can be an excellent player. All star type player and even all nba. But to win big in the playoffs he’s better suited to be a no. 2 to a 1A type player. But if you ask him to be that 1A player, you’ll have regular season success and make the playoffs. but i think playoff wise it’s asking a lot for him to get you to a title as that.

Ultimately I think you wind up where the blazers did. I would love to be proven wrong. I love that kid and I wish he could do it not just for myself, but for himself. But I think you’re gonna wind up eventually getting to the same spot the blazers did with Lillard

lillard could pass…maxey isn’t close to a lillard.

3 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

lillard could pass…maxey isn’t close to a lillard.

I don’t think Maxey is as good as Lillard in general or as a passer. Also Lillard was roughly between 5.6-6.9 assists his first 7 years. He made a jump to 8 and in the 7s after year 8. He actually got better as he got older as a passer. I also think at 25 going on 26 he can still get better at it. I don’t see him ever being as good as Lillard in that area (imo Lillard is better than Maxey in general) Give Maxey credit though, his last 3 years he’s roughly assist wise where Lillard was his first 7 years. Lillard avg 6.4 ast in his first 7 seasons. Maxey is averaging 6.3 assists per game over last 3 years (Maxey in year 6 now)

That said, it is less if he’s like Lillard. It is more your end game is where the blazers eventually got stuck at with Lillard. I think building Maxey/vj as your 1-2 is a different iteration of the blazers lillard/mccollum situation. Lillard and Maxey might not be equals, but i think your end results is going to be the same fate as blazers and Lillard.

Sad but it is ironic that the sixers went into the process to get themselves star like players so they could get out of purgatory and perennial fringe playoff team. Teams that could win a round if they got the right breaks but really that was it. Yet over a decade later stuck in the same spot not being able to get past the second round and looking at being stuck in purgatory.

This team is 7-10 years away at best. If EVERYTHING goes right (which history has proven is an impossibility). Take your rose colored glasses and stupid optimism and wake the F up.

Santa isn’t real and neither is the Easter bunny 

Admit this team is 7-10 years away at best. If EVERYTHING goes right (which history has proven is an impossibility). Take your rose colored glasses and stupid optimism and wake the F up.

Santa isn’t real and neither is the Easter bunny 

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4 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d be more on your side except Joel Embiid was out for the first 3 games against the Celtics, he was really not efficient shooting the ball. He shot 40% game 1; 25% from 3. Game 2 he shot 38%; 42% from 3. Game 3 he shot 39%; 38% from 3. Box score say he had the points, ast numbers. But watching it he wasn’t efficient which he’s always should put up numbers but if you are inefficient it is going to be hard to win 4 games like that. He wasn’t bad in those games but as the top guy the Celtics were able to make his life much harder and i think over 7 games if he’s asked to be the guy he’s going to wear down especially if guarded by bigger defenders. His most efficient games were games 5-7 playing off of Embiid. Granted if they didn’t have Embiid’s contract or PG’s they could field a different team but i still think bigger defenders will wear on him over the course of a series if he’s the no. 1 option.

I ask you this question besides Steph Curry who’s a unicorn because he’s one of the best shooters we’ve ever seen, when was the last guard at his size being number one guy won an NBA title? It’s been a while since that’s happened. Steph Curry is an outlier.

I will say this too I think the Knicks when they run into San Antonio or OKC are going to get beat. IMO think they benefit from the east not being all that great. Boston construction after Tatum injured his Achilles playoffs last year. Pistons got the 1 seed and were on the ropes against Orlando. In the west i see them behind OKC, Spurs. Fully healthy i think Denver is also better. Also Brunson and Knicks have failed as the favorite twice against the pacers.

Don't know. #1 who wins a title is lofty goals that few ever achieve. And Steph has a heck of a lot of help.

For now I'm just happy to debate whether or not he can be as good a Brunson if given the opportunities.

The teams beating us don't just have better #1s they all have far better teams.

Also, he hasn't been as efficient since his finger injury that the team decided they wouldn't let heal. So Celtics series he's still injured and his coach has also shown he has never had a plan to play without Embiid even though they should know to expect it.

There are so many confounding variables with the Maxey debate because the team does so many things badly.

Seems like only one game left and we can finally but The Process completely to bed.

33 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Seems like only one game left and we can finally but The Process completely to bed.

That was years ago.