3 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

The Eagles light practice schedule is good for injuries but for a guy like Steen who is only getting reps with the 2nd team in a bunch of 1.5 hr practices it's not great for speedy growth on a position switch.  It'll take time

He also had Stout time in Phase 2 and 3 of OTAs and will get a bunch of reps post TC before the start of the season and as the season progresses.  A bunch of what he needs as a pro is being learned as he goes right now but won’t fully show up until next year and beyond.  Including diet and focused strength and training.  For sure, he got a start on that last year at Alabama, but not what he will get from the Eagles.  

The cowboys are also big on disappearing… in the playoffs 

 

2 hours ago, Freshmilk said:

I think it's time to move Driscoll down the depth chart all the way to Free Agent.  I can't believe he remains the 2nd team RT after last season and now reading how often he gets beat by our 3rd team DEs.  He can't play tackle and he is not needed at guard.

OTs getting beat in one on ones isn't anything to be worried about on the team.  That being said, the team signing Kelly and drafting Steen doesn't bode well for Driscoll.  

John Johnson signs with the rams

 

20 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Nah, Driscili was schiooled on the field last season.  It is continuing in camp.  He is not good enough to back up RT.

Ok.  Who is the next option behind Johnson?

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

OTs getting beat in one on ones isn't anything to be worried about on the team.  That being said, the team signing Kelly and drafting Steen doesn't bode well for Driscoll.  

Not sure I agree.  I think Kelly was brought in as a precaution on Steen not developing as much as anything but also suggests concern about the lesser Johnsons.  Let’s face it, Okafor doesn’t seem like anything more than a camp body/possible PS developmental at best and Reid is a long way from anything more than a developmental prospect.  So backup plan 1b was a lesser Johnson until Kelly arrived.  Believe the focus with Steen is still learning to play G.  Realistically for Driscoll, he is on a one year contract just like Kelly (and now Andrews) so he is not only fighting for a key backup role, he is fighting for a second contract or extension.

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

OTs getting beat in one on ones isn't anything to be worried about on the team.  That being said, the team signing Kelly and drafting Steen doesn't bode well for Driscoll.  

Depends who is beating them and how often.  Practice matters.  Game matters more.  Driscoll isn't good and it shows in games as well as practice.

12 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

I don’t want to pile on the guy, but the best times we’ve had since he was drafted were

A) a 12-game span in 2017

B) anytime he was injured and Nick came in 

C) every moment since we traded him.

 

 

I don’t dislike Carson, he was instrumental in the team we became. But let’s keep the good times rolling and let him go ”help” NYG or DAL

TBF his rookie year, when Lane was in, it looked like he had the tools to be something special.  So I would add that to the list.

18 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Man, they are going for it this year.

 

By "it" I mean making it to the divisional round.

13 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I had high hopes for Wallace when we drafted him. Probably doesn’t mean anything right now. Frankly I’d be floored if he made enough of an improvement to be a starting safety this year. If he is somehow starting week 1 there’s a problem and says edmunds wasn’t very good and brown isn’t ready. 

For comparison, what was Epps’ path to being the starting Safety?  Or Q’s path to starting Safety?

1 hour ago, EagleJoe8 said:

I’ll be 25 in December also. 
 

 

For the 22nd straight year. 

You aren’t old.  You have just been young for a long time. 

33 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Depends who is beating them and how often.  Practice matters.  Game matters more.  Driscoll isn't good and it shows in games as well as practice.

 

Age is doing what it does to Lee Corso but still look forward to him on Saturday mornings. 

 

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

For comparison, what was Epps’ path to being the starting Safety?  Or Q’s path to starting Safety?

One was udfa and another late round pick. The expectation was to hopefully groom them over time to become something useful to the team. The difference is wallace had expectations and arguably supposedly further advanced in his development when he was drafted than the two you mentioned. He has yet to show any big flashes as a safety to be considered a full time starter.

Epps going into last year had started 8 games in the previous 2 years and was making progress towards being a full time starter. Wallace has started 4 games the last 2 years (1 last year) was replaced by Epps and a trade for CJGJ cause he wasn’t good and has regressed from hopeful full time starter to just being a ST player and backup safety. Heck they signed Edmunds and drafted brown this year cause they didn’t see it with him. If they did I don’t think they are spending the resources they did on brown and signing edmunds. Mikell also flashed more in first 3 years than wallace in minimal snaps. Had 4 PD, 1 int, 2 FF and 2 TFL. Wallace 1 Pd, 0 int, 0 fg and 1 TFL. I’d also argue that the first two years Wallace was here eagles weren’t the stack roster. Had a chance to become a starter with how the defense looked. mikell was signed when the Eagles had a stacked roster. Mikell is more of an outlier cause i could name multiple players who were udfa or drafted that never became high end starters after years of sitting on the bench and never got that opportunity cause they weren’t good enough. We released one yesterday in davion Taylor.

Id love to see him do it. I liked him a lot coming out of Clemson. the well mikell did it years ago as a udfa means it could happen for him is a bit if a stretch. Better chance he is what he is. Backup and STer

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Age is doing what it does to Lee Corso but still look forward to him on Saturday mornings. 

 

Herbstreit's reaction is  

14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Neither were draft picks and both were udfa. The expectation was to hopefully groom them over time to become something useful to the team. The difference is wallace had expectations and arguably supposedly further advanced in his development when he was drafted than the two you mentioned. He has yet to show any big flashes as a safety to be considered a full time starter.

Epps going into last year had started 8 games in the previous 2 years and was making progress towards being a full time starter. Wallace has started 4 games the last 2 years (1 last year) was replaced by Epps and a trade for CJGJ cause he wasn’t good and has regressed from hopeful full time starter to just being a ST player and backup safety. Heck they signed Edmunds and drafted brown this year cause they didn’t see it with him. If they did I don’t think they are spending the resources they did on brown and signing edmunds. Mikell is more of an outlier cause i could name multiple players who were udfa or drafted that never became high end starters after years of sitting on the bench and never got that opportunity cause they weren’t good enough. We released one yesterday in davion Taylor.

Id love to see him do it. I liked him a lot coming out of Clemson. But the well mikell did it years ago as a udfa means it is happening for him is a stretch cause you could make that case for a lot of players then

Once players arrive in camp their college production and draft history becomes irrelevant.  The only thing that is relevant to the coaches is what they are doing NOW.  Howie, as the GM knows the cap implications of each player, but the position coaches pay no attention to that.  Draft position is often a lot about potential, as opposed to reality, but that becomes an artifact of history once the Draft is over.

Expectations is a fans word … rarely a coaches word, especially for position coaches.

As @ToastJenkins correctly pointed out I have higher expectations for the potential of Toth and Allen. Those expectations are fun ( or frustrating) for us as fans, but they don’t impact the players or the coaches. 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The cowboys are also big on disappearing… in the playoffs 

 

If he wants to disappear how can his friends still see him?
 

This is vintage our society today. "I want everyone to know that I don’t want attention and I want everyone to see me not wanting attention” 

22 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Herbstreit's reaction is  

I watched this live. Hilarious 

15 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Once players arrive in camp their college production and draft history becomes irrelevant.  The only thing that is relevant to the coaches is what they are doing NOW.  Howie, as the GM knows the cap implications of each player, but the position coaches pay no attention to that.  Draft position is often a lot about potential, as opposed to reality, but that becomes an artifact of history once the Draft is over.

Expectations is a fans word … rarely a coaches word, especially for position coaches.

As @ToastJenkins correctly pointed out I have higher expectations for the potential of Toth and Allen. Those expectations are fun ( or frustrating) for us as fans, but they don’t impact the players or the coaches. 

Mikell and Marcus Epps built up to becoming starters as udfa. They were projects for the eagles annd expected to take time and groom. Wallace had a chance to overtake an aging mcleod and a bad Anthony Harris and couldn’t. They tried. He was just not good. That doesn’t bode well. On top of that last year Epps passed him and they didn’t think he was good enough so they traded for CJGJ. And then on top of all that Blankenship passed him on depth chart as the main backup at S as a udfa rookie and started over him when CJGJ missed time and Epps missed snaps. So they really didn’t think highly of him last year. Add-on he really hasn’t shown any flashes at the safety position in 3 years to warrant just throwing him at starting safety and assuming cause Epps and mikell did means he clearly is like them. I’d argue both flashed more than wallace and trending toward becoming that. He has remotely been on that same path. He’s gone the opposite way of trying to get him to be a starter and regressing further on the depth chart. Just cause mikell and epps did it doesn’t mean he can’t unfortunately be Ed Reynolds or jarrett who were not good enough 

Wallace was better prospect and frankly more advanced than mikell and Epps coming out.  They wanted him to overtake an aging mcleod and a bad Anthony Harris. And he couldn’t. They’ve now had Epps, Blankenship pass him, traded for CJGJ, signed edmunds and drafted brown high in the draft. Doesn’t particularly bode well to how they’ve view wallace. His place on the depth chart has gone the opposite way previous 3 years. Those two were moving in the opposite direction.  

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Mikell and Marcus Epps built up to becoming starters as udfa. The were projects that the team expected to take time and groom. Wallace had a chance to overtake an aging mcleod and a bad Harris and couldn’t. That doesn’t bode well he could then last year Epps passed him and they didn’t think he was good enough so they traded for CJGJ. And then on top of it Blankenship passed him as a udfa rookie and started over him. Add-on he really hasn’t shown any flashes at the safety position in 3 to warrant just throwing him at starting safety. Just cause mikell and epps did it doesn’t mean he can’t be Ed Reynolds or jarrett 

The team seems to be confident in his ability to start right now, based on the lack of moves at safety and the fact that he is getting first-team reps. Certainly we know how they feel about the linebacker position. Not to say they are done making moves, but for now Wallace seems to be doing something they like. 

28 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Neither were draft picks and both were UDFAs.

Actually, Mikell was an UDFA but Epps was a Day 3 draft choice (6th round, #191), who was waived by the Vikings when they picked up the S the Eagles waived.   Wallace was also a Day 3 pick (4th round #127). He has been a solid ST and spot player but his instincts have seemed a bit off.  If the light has gone on, then great.  Epps didn’t overwhelm initially when he got to play.  If Wallace is good enough to hold the spot until Brown is ready, that’s fine.  All suggestions are he has looked the best of him, Edmunds and Evans.  Draft status or UDFA, other than salary impact means little after the draft.  

22 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

The team seems to be confident in his ability to start right now, based on the lack of moves at safety and the fact that he is getting first-team reps. Certainly we know how they feel about the linebacker position. Not to say they are done making moves, but for now Wallace seems to be doing something they like. 

Could also speak more about what they’ve seen from a rookie brown who’s not ready and edmunds. And the current FA market at safety (Johnson now gone) being any better than those 3  

last year didn’t make a big move at safety til august 30th where they traded for CJGJ. was about a week before the season started. So right now they might be comfortable. Don’t necessarily think that maybe he case when we get closer to week 1. 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Ok.  Who is the next option behind Johnson?

Trade target I think 

22 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Actually, Mikell was an UDFA but Epps was a Day 3 draft choice (6th round, #191), who was waived by the Vikings when they picked up the S the Eagles waived.   Wallace was also a Day 3 pick (4th round #127). He has been a solid ST and spot player but his instincts have seemed a bit off.  If the light has gone on, then great.  Epps didn’t overwhelm initially when he got to play.  If Wallace is good enough to hold the spot until Brown is ready, that’s fine.  All suggestions are he has looked the best of him, Edmunds and Evans.  Draft status or UDFA, other than salary impact means little after the draft.  

Sorry was a late round pick.

I didn’t say he couldn’t. I said I’d be floored if he made enough strides to start based off his play the first 3 years and I think it would be a problem week one if he’s the starter because it would mean that brown wasn’t ready and also edmunds was likely not very good. Imo the eagles likely expected one of those two guys to be the starter week 1 when they signed and drafted the other. Don’t think they make both of those moves and previous moves last year  if they had higher expectations for wallace at this point. I think likely think it’s more of a reflection that you have a rookie who is not ready to start. Not all that surprising. Edmunds was a cheap FA signing. I just don’t very good starter. I think he’s likely a nfl journeyman for the rest of his career. It’s why i wanted to sign Johnson to bring him in for competition. He isn’t even what he once was. Frankly, I think they’re going to make a move at safety at some point.

we can say the Eagles are comfortable with him starting but it’s also 4 weeks before the season starts. Eagles waited til right before the season started last year to address the other safety spot with a trade for CJGJ.