2 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

The Eagles light practice schedule is good for injuries but for a guy like Steen who is only getting reps with the 2nd team in a bunch of 1.5 hr practices it's not great for speedy growth on a position switch.  It'll take time

It's a shame they can't extend that for rookies not working with the first team and vets on the bubble because you are right they need the work.

I can't believe there are people who actually think that K'Von Wallace might actually be a player. He's...not...any...good. Let's stop pretending.

August is an amazing month.

2 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

The Eagles light practice schedule is good for injuries but for a guy like Steen who is only getting reps with the 2nd team in a bunch of 1.5 hr practices it's not great for speedy growth on a position switch.  It'll take time

 

I always felt it was odd how people thought all summer he was going to start at RG.  He's a raw player making a position switch.  I always saw it as being a year of learning from the bench for him while Jurgens would take RG and run with it for this year 

3 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I can't believe there are people who actually think that K'Von Wallace might actually be a player. He's...not...any...good. Let's stop pretending.

August is an amazing month.

To me, it’s concerning he’s taking 1st team reps. 

51 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Once players arrive in camp their college production and draft history becomes irrelevant.  The only thing that is relevant to the coaches is what they are doing NOW.  Howie, as the GM knows the cap implications of each player, but the position coaches pay no attention to that.  Draft position is often a lot about potential, as opposed to reality, but that becomes an artifact of history once the Draft is over.

Expectations is a fans word … rarely a coaches word, especially for position coaches.

As @ToastJenkins correctly pointed out I have higher expectations for the potential of Toth and Allen. Those expectations are fun ( or frustrating) for us as fans, but they don’t impact the players or the coaches. 

I probably have higher expectations expectations for the young corners than most

2 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I can't believe there are people who actually think that K'Von Wallace might actually be a player. He's...not...any...good. Let's stop pretending.

August is an amazing month.

I don't know about that statement.  I know it is trendy on the EMB to pile on Wallace but he actually played pretty good in his spot action last year and made some plays. 

Has he met his draft day expectations as the next Dawkins?  Clearly no, but that doesn't mean that he can't be a player.  Going into year 4 maybe the light is finally going on.  

20 minutes ago, QuinnWR4 said:

To me, it’s concerning he’s taking 1st team reps. 

That’s what my original post was about. I said I had high expectations for him coming out of Clemson and the Eagles draft him. Over three years he has not shown anyone that he is a starting caliber player. Why I said, I find it hard to believe he’s made the strides in one off-season after 3 years to become a reliable starter. I hope he does. That would be awesome if he did. I have a feeling this is more of a reflection that Sydney Brown is not ready because he’s a rookie and edmunds hasn’t looked good. 

my personal opinion, I think they believe linebacker was much more dire because they still believe Brown at some point in time this season is going to be able to start. Linebacker have currently an injured Dean that has tremendous upside and a bunch of guys that likely have limited upside and also weren’t looking particularly good

I was always a Nate Herbig fan and thought he'd be a player. On ITTB, Caplan said that reports out of Steelers camp is that he's dropped even more weight and looks unreal. I wanted the Eagles to bring him in at RG this year. 

Remember when the Flyers drafted Sam Morin in the first round? And after being drafted, he crawled through juniors and the minor leagues at such a slow rate that about four years after he was picked he still hadn't made the team? It was obvious to everyone and his brother that he was never going to amount to jack. Yet in years five and six and seven of the sojourn, you'd still hear some Flyers fans hyping the guy up, suggesting that he was actually going to become a quality defenseman for them. It was hilarious and sad at the same time. (Yes, I know Morin had injuries but those happened much later in the process, long after it was obvious he was no good, even if he was healthy.)

K'Von Wallace reminds me of that.

Just now, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Remember when the Flyers drafted Sam Morin in the first round? And after being drafted, he crawled through juniors and the minor leagues at such a slow rate that about four years after he was picked he still hadn't made the team? It was obvious to everyone and his brother that he was never going to amount to jack. Yet in years five and six and seven of the sojourn, you'd still hear some Flyers fans hyping the guy up, suggesting that he was actually going to become a quality defenseman for them. It was hilarious and sad at the same time. (Yes, I know Morin had injuries but those happened much later in the process, long after it was obvious he was no good, even if he was healthy.)

K'Von Wallace reminds me of that.

That era of untouchable blue line prospects is half the reason the Flyers are where they are now. They could have used so many of those guys as trade chips but NOOOO don't touch. These guys are the future! 

I don't think I could compare Wallace to Morin though. Morin was a highly, highly touted defenseman. He was going to be a star. Not a superstar, but a star. Wallace was never really thought of much more than the potential to be a capable starter....which he never will be. He's been an afterthought since day 1. He should have been off the roster last year. 

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

That era of untouchable blue line prospects is half the reason the Flyers are where they are now. They could have used so many of those guys as trade chips but NOOOO don't touch. These guys are the future! 

I don't think I could compare Wallace to Morin though. Morin was a highly, highly touted defenseman. He was going to be a star. Not a superstar, but a star. Wallace was never really thought of much more than the potential to be a capable starter....which he never will be. He's been an afterthought since day 1. He should have been off the roster last year. 

The way flyers fans built up morgan frost was like he was definitively going to be a superstar. I like the kid but cult flyers fans view of their prospects was always out of whack. 

36 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I can't believe there are people who actually think that K'Von Wallace might actually be a player. He's...not...any...good. Let's stop pretending.

August is an amazing month.

Between Kvon and Davion- people just expect every draft p[ick will turn out. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The way flyers fans built up morgan frost was like he was definitively going to be a superstar. I like the kid but cult flyers fans view of their prospects was always out of whack. 

I wish I could find it, but there was an article on CSNPhilly during the height of the untouchable blue line talent the Flyers had in the minors and it was comparing them to the Penguins. It was ripping the Penguins for having nothing going for them and the Flyers were build to be a dynasty from the farm all the way up. The Penguins went on to win 2 Stanley Cups after that article. 

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I wish I could find it, but there was an article on CSNPhilly during the height of the untouchable blue line talent the Flyers had in the minors and it was comparing them to the Penguins. It was ripping the Penguins for having nothing going for them and the Flyers were build to be a dynasty from the farm all the way up. The Penguins went on to win 2 Stanley Cups after that article. 

I remember reading that same article. On the old board someone posted. I want to say it was around 2019/2020 when it came out cause everyone was hyping up the guys hextall drafted and brought in. I like hart a lot and a lot of the issues the flyers have in front of him make his job way more difficult. But he was also made out like he was the next Bernie parent. Granted he goes somewhere that actually built properly he might reach the insane heights people expected. At least the flyers have a prospect that’s actually worthy of the praise right now in michkov. 

For fellow Eagles podcast listeners, BLG whining about Nakobe Dean "not standing out" in practice is one of the most annoying threads of the off-season. Trying to manufacture a "bust" narrative before seeing the guy start a real game.

1 hour ago, greendestiny27 said:

Trade target I think 

Ok.  Who?  

I'd say it's more likely they're giving K'Von more reps as one last chance to prove himself before being cut - hopefully he's gone

44 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That’s what my original post was about. I said I had high expectations for him coming out of Clemson and the Eagles draft him. Over three years he has not shown anyone that he is a starting caliber player. Why I said, I find it hard to believe he’s made the strides in one off-season after 3 years to become a reliable starter. I hope he does. That would be awesome if he did. I have a feeling this is more of a reflection that Sydney Brown is not ready because he’s a rookie and edmunds hasn’t looked good. 

my personal opinion, I think they believe linebacker was much more dire because they still believe Brown at some point in time this season is going to be able to start. Linebacker have currently an injured Dean that has tremendous upside and a bunch of guys that likely have limited upside and also weren’t looking particularly good

New DC and new DB coach might mean something.  Evan Mathis was a washout for years... then he met up with Howard Mudd (on his 4th team and at the age of 30), and became an All Pro.   

12 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

For fellow Eagles podcast listeners, BLG whining about Nakobe Dean "not standing out" in practice is one of the most annoying threads of the off-season. Trying to manufacture a "bust" narrative before seeing the guy start a real game.

BLG is a clown.

Nakobe is not going to be a guy who will look good in practices. He's not big, overly fast, etc. He's a gamer though and when it matters he will show up. The way these teams practice nowadays barely resembles real live football.

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

New DC and new DB coach might mean something.  Evan Mathis was a washout for years... then he met up with Howard Mudd (on his 4th team and at the age of 30), and became an All Pro.   

Maybe. I think it’s more likely   brown isn’t ready as he’s a rookie and edmunds hasn’t looked very good. So using wallace who’s knows the system well enough where he’s up to speed. if we go week 1 with him and Blankenship is concerning until they actually prove to viable in  regular season games (with Blankenship just think you have to see if he holds up for 17 games as he was competent when he started) 

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

BLG is a clown.

Nakobe is not going to be a guy who will look good in practices. He's not big, overly fast, etc. He's a gamer though and when it matters he will show up. The way these teams practice nowadays barely resembles real live football.

Yea, I really don't know what people expect to hear out of Eagles camp. They've had 7 practices? The longest being maybe 1 hour 40 minutes. From what I gather, they don't go live. It's a very thud type of practice. Dean is the QB of the defense. His number 1 goal in camp needs to be lining everyone up and making all of the adjustments needed to run the defense on the field. He'll read and react on Sundays when he's actually allowed to explode and make a tackle.

 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Maybe. I think it’s more likely   brown isn’t ready as he’s a rookie and edmunds hasn’t looked very good. So using wallace who’s knows the system well enough where he’s up to speed. if we go week 1 with him and Blankenship is concerning until they actually prove to viable in  regular season games (Blankenship has just think you have to see if he holds up for 17 games) 

No doubt.  All I am saying is that there is precedent for a guy to step up out of seemingly nowhere after years of being nothing.  That said, I'm not holding my breath.  If he steps up, great. If not... so much worse for this team.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Sorry was a late round pick.

I didn’t say he couldn’t. I said I’d be floored if he made enough strides to start based off his play the first 3 years and I think it would be a problem week one if he’s the starter because it would mean that brown wasn’t ready and also edmunds was likely not very good. Imo the eagles likely expected one of those two guys to be the starter week 1 when they signed and drafted the other. Don’t think they make both of those moves and previous moves last year  if they had higher expectations for wallace at this point. I think likely think it’s more of a reflection that you have a rookie who is not ready to start. Not all that surprising. Edmunds was a cheap FA signing. I just don’t very good starter. I think he’s likely a nfl journeyman for the rest of his career. It’s why i wanted to sign Johnson to bring him in for competition. He isn’t even what he once was. Frankly, I think they’re going to make a move at safety at some point.

we can say the Eagles are comfortable with him starting but it’s also 4 weeks before the season starts. Eagles waited til right before the season started last year to address the other safety spot with a trade for CJGJ. 

But to Matt’s point, Q was a PS player from 2003 through 2004.  Then a PS player.  Didn’t become a starting S until 2007 when Considine was injured.  Yep, he replaced Considine.  So four years of cooking.  Epps had 0 starts in 2019, the next two years 8 starts mainly as a fill in.  Many thought he was a JAG those three years.  Last year was his first as a starter full time.  Through 3 years, Wallace has seven starts, similar to Epps and better than Q.  CJGJ was a Day 3 pick (4th, #104).  Got action early with the S’ain’ts. But didn’t become a starting S full time until year three.  So Matt’s point about Epps and Q’s development is similar.  Frankly, primarily because of missed positioning, I have my doubts about Wallace but he looked better last year than previously.  So I take the early signs in TC as a positive.  Blakenship is a pleasant surprise.  But he had a long time in college.  I had a late third/fourth grade on him until he ran a slower forty and LB like SS and 3 cone.  The latter was a concern but the fact he dropped to UDFA was a surprise.  Real solid instincts which are so important for Ss and what hurt Wallace.  

BTW, Eagles have shown a tendency towards S/LB types at the weak side ILB position.  Edmunds is a pound heavier than Morrow.  Interesting possibility and experiment for them.  Another player you have to wonder if he could bulk to LB size is Garner.  Sounds like he brings the wood in the rookie thud sessions. He’s five pounds lighter than Edmunds and 6’2”.  Knock on him at CB was agility and speed.  At LB, he is more than fast and quick enough.  PS him and put him on NFL S&T and diet program.  

Interesting thing about Jack and Cunningham is their size.  Jack makes sense at ILB but Cunningham’s coverage is abysmal.  Is he a temp for P Johnson? Does that mean more ILB (off ball) reps for Smith and possibly K Johnson?

1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

It's a shame they can't extend that for rookies not working with the first team and vets on the bubble because you are right they need the work.

They do that with developmental practice after the main practice.  The beats just don’t report on that developmental practice because the average fan could care less.

17 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

But to Matt’s point, Q was a PS player from 2003 through 2004.  Then a PS player.  Didn’t become a starting S until 2007 when Considine was injured.  Yep, he replaced Considine.  So four years of cooking.  Epps had 0 starts in 2019, the next two years 8 starts mainly as a fill in.  Many thought he was a JAG those three years.  Last year was his first as a starter full time.  Through 3 years, Wallace has seven starts, similar to Epps and better than Q.  CJGJ was a Day 3 pick (4th, #104).  Got action early with the S’ain’ts. But didn’t become a starting S full time until year three.  So Matt’s point about Epps and Q’s development is similar.  Frankly, primarily because of missed positioning, I have my doubts about Wallace but he looked better last year than previously.  So I take the early signs in TC as a positive.  Blakenship is a pleasant surprise.  But he had a long time in college.  I had a late third/fourth grade on him until he ran a slower forty and LB like SS and 3 cone.  The latter was a concern but the fact he dropped to UDFA was a surprise.  Real solid instincts which are so important for Ss and what hurt Wallace.  

BTW, Eagles have shown a tendency towards S/LB types at the weak side ILB position.  Edmunds is a pound heavier than Morrow.  Interesting possibility and experiment for them.  Another player you have to wonder if he could bulk to LB size is Garner.  Sounds like he brings the wood in the rookie thud sessions. He’s five pounds lighter than Edmunds and 6’2”.  Knock on him at CB was agility and speed.  At LB, he is more than fast and quick enough.  PS him and put him on NFL S&T and diet program.  

Interesting thing about Jack and Cunningham is their size.  Jack makes sense at ILB but Cunningham’s coverage is abysmal.  Is he a temp for P Johnson? Does that mean more ILB (off ball) reps for Smith and possibly K Johnson?

Mikell was on the team from 2003-2004. He played in all 16 games. 

again if everyone was mikell then davion Taylor should still be here. I can point to mikell but the amount of players who have not made that jump is much larger than the small outlier section of guys like mikell. I’d add on when mikell came on board dawkins and Michael Lewis were in front of him and the eagles had a stacked roster. In 2020 it was mills who was converting back to safety and an aging mcleod. And 2021 was Harris (not good) and mcleod. Much more realistic it took time for mikell to get where he was as who was in front of him and he was udfa and they were grooming him for the long term. That wasn’t the expectation with wallace. They wanted him to take the leap in year two. And then year 3 they saw enough that Blankenship passed, Epps passed and they traded for CJGJ. 

on edmunds point, i don’t think that was the intend original plan. They signed him with the intent for him to compete for starting safety. After they drafted brown likely the placeholder until brown was ready to step in. I’m fine if they do what you say and move him to LB but that still leaves you very thin at safety and very little starting experience with just Blankenship, brown and Wallace. Maybe they have used him at LB in training camp but i think doing that transition on the fly is going to be super difficult. Gonna take him a while to adjust.