Just now, TEW said:

Of course more talented teams lose all the time. That’s the nature of complex team sports and randomness.

But again, if the two teams played 100 times, the 2022 team would win the majority of those games.

You and I were typing at the same time.

@RememberTheKoy check out these nips

 

1 hour ago, wussbasket said:

@RememberTheKoy check out these nips

6 to Midnight 

3 hours ago, Godfather said:

My guy Shocker just hit me up. He saw Hopkins at the airport in Philly. He's with Urlacher 

Sounds like he's back on the gas rag, good for him

This is the most boring part of the nfl year.

10 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

This is the most boring part of the nfl year.

Not if you like nipples

 

8 hours ago, TEW said:

Of course more talented teams lose all the time. That’s the nature of complex team sports and randomness.

But again, if the two teams played 100 times, the 2022 team would win the majority of those games.

 

8 hours ago, mattwill said:

I agree 100% with your comments about Gannon, but two factors make 2022 a better team than 2017.

First, I tend to think of team as the players.  There is no denying the impact of coaches, but …

Second, if 2017 and 2022 played 100 times … coaches and all … I would expect 2022 to win more of those games than 2027 would.  And I would also expect a trend toward 2022 winning a higher proportion of the later games than of the earlier games.

Yes yes... I am familiar with the 'on paper' argument.  Trouble is, games are never played 'on paper', and the real events happening in real time, and how the coaches handle those events is a real variable that must be dealt with in these types of comparisons.  The 2017 team was so well prepared for that Super Bowl that they had even staged a fake walk through to throw off the Pats if they were still cheating.  They weren't surprised by anything that game.  Meanwhile, the Eagles of 2022 had no answer to multiple things, simple things that were scheme related, rather than talent related.  

 

As for the 100 games argument, that cannot be proven, it is mere opinion based on the opinion of the talent level of the two teams.  But, teams are more than the sum of their parts.  And that's what made the 2017 team so special, same as the 2008 Phillies.  That wasn't the most talented team of that era, but it was the one that had the 'it' factor to ultimately get it done, unlike the teams that followed.

 

I am curious though... where is this great disparity of talent between the 2022 and 2017 team?  What was the '22 team so much better at doing than the '17? 

43 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Not if you like nipples

 

On the wrong team

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

This is the most boring part of the nfl year.

Nah, we have OTAs, then the dead period.  Good time for a vacation that six week period. 

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Not if you like nipples

 

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

This is the most boring part of the nfl year.

Ugh, yes.  We have solidly entered 'best shape of their lives' season.  Early reviews have Jordan Davis "in the best shape of his life".  Who else this year?

Any exciting post June-1 cap cuts?  

46 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Nah, we have OTAs, then the dead period.  Good time for a vacation that six week period. 

OTAs are pretty boring if you ask me.  A couple photo ops and then vets and coaches raving about the work ethic of the rookies.  Same story cut and pasted every year for every team.

12 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

Ugh, yes.  We have solidly entered 'best shape of their lives' season.  Early reviews have Jordan Davis "in the best shape of his life".  Who else this year?

Any exciting post June-1 cap cuts?  

I haven’t heard that about Davis, but that’s concerning.  I’m not sure anyone has ever had a good season after showing up "in the best shape of their life.”

3 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

Yes yes... I am familiar with the 'on paper' argument.  Trouble is, games are never played 'on paper', and the real events happening in real time, and how the coaches handle those events is a real variable that must be dealt with in these types of comparisons.  The 2017 team was so well prepared for that Super Bowl that they had even staged a fake walk through to throw off the Pats if they were still cheating.  They weren't surprised by anything that game.  Meanwhile, the Eagles of 2022 had no answer to multiple things, simple things that were scheme related, rather than talent related.  

 

As for the 100 games argument, that cannot be proven, it is mere opinion based on the opinion of the talent level of the two teams.  But, teams are more than the sum of their parts.  And that's what made the 2017 team so special, same as the 2008 Phillies.  That wasn't the most talented team of that era, but it was the one that had the 'it' factor to ultimately get it done, unlike the teams that followed.

 

I am curious though... where is this great disparity of talent between the 2022 and 2017 team?  What was the '22 team so much better at doing than the '17? 

There is only opinion in these types of comparisons … nothing else.  As I have said, you have laid out your opinion very well.  It is compelling.  
 

With that said, here’s my answer to the question you posed.  QB is the biggest difference between the teams, although both Hurts and Foles entered their respective post-SB offseason with questions about what their future would be.  In a sense each were facing lightning in a bottle doubts.  Hurts with injury fears and Foles with a whole raft of unknowns.  A huge part of the 100 games speculation revolves around the ability of the 2017 team, and Foles specifically, to consistently produce a comparable level of performance.  I am wholly confident in Hurts in that regard.  Not so confident in Foles.

2022 is better at both WR and at TE, although TE is close, with Goedert’s all around play being better than Ertz’s.  
 

The 2022 running game is better than 2017’s despite the fact that the 2017 RB trio is better and more well rounded than Sanders and Company were.

Mailata > Vaitai

Kelce > Kelce

Seumalo > Wiz

Dickerson < Brooks

Johnson = Johnson

All in all the 2022 Offense is markedly better than the 2017 Offense.

2022 D-line is also better than 2017’s

2017 is marginally better at LB.

2017’s DBs as a unit were better, but not by much.

STs in 2017 were consistently better than 2022’s were.

Coaches are a push, although Tommy Lawlor’s recent articles in IgglesBlitz.com makes a compelling argument for Nick over Doug.  
 

That leaves us only with your lightning in a bottle factor, which clearly was greater in 2017 than it was in 2022.

14 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Nah, we have OTAs, then the dead period.  Good time for a vacation that six week period. 

Agreed.  Capitalizing on that we just completed a 3,500 mile 12-day jaunt through California’s Death Valley; Nevada’s Valley of Fire; Utah’s Zion, Bryce, Devil’s Garden, Burr Trail, Escalante Grand Staircase, Canyonlands, Arches and Deadhorse Point; Arizona’s Antelope Slot Canyons and Monument Valley; and Colorado’s Mesa Verde, Million Dollar Highway, and Last Dollar Road.  Red rocks in abundance.

13 hours ago, BigEFly said:

OTAs began today and the only news offered was Cox is in attendance. beats get access on Thursday so they will bombard us that day. Not sure if any player is not in attendance at this point. Was hoping for a release at least that Ringo had signed.  PE.com does have some pictures. 

I miss Eagles Live

I think the Eagles must be very good at Phase 1 and Phase 2 of OTAs. When we think of OTAs, we tend to think only of Phase 3.  In reality the position coaches also have them on the field for Phase 2 plus an extension of the Strength and Training coaching from Phase I. Also the Eagles do a nice job of having the rookies and some select "Vets” (recovering from injury, fringe players) at Rookie Camp while a lot of Vets are working with Strength and Training coaches in Phase 1. (Plus rehabbing vets have access before Phase 1 to the medical and S&T staff.  Great way to treat the athletes. Really a lot like the mix of spring drills and track that many grew up with (many times nestled around wrestling or roundball in the winter and baseball/spring soccer/lacrosse in the spring.)  When I was young, football players were "expected” to "run track”.  
 

PHASE 1 (Four hours a day)

• Two weeks | Limited to strength and conditioning activities ("dead ball"); only strength and conditioning coaches allowed on field*
• 90 minute max on the field
• Clubs can only specify 2 hours for players to be at the facility
• Players choose the other 2 hours for weights, etc. 

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* Dead Ball Explanation:
-QBs can throw to receivers with no coverage
-Kickers and Punters can kick, but players cannot field the ball and no snappers or holders can be involved
-Long Snappers can snap into a net
-Defensive players may not catch balls at all regardless of who is throwing them.

PHASE II (Four hours a day)

• Three weeks | same rules as phase one apply except: 
  • All coaches allowed on the field
  • Individual and "perfect play” drills allowed 
  • No offense vs. defense, no one - on - one, no helmets

So basically the players have 5 weeks with the coaches on the field and in meetings in the spring plus another week for rookies and selected vets. (I believe the rookies don’t get Phase I.)  Note workout time allowed versus allowed hours. Those other hours are in meetings. (Desai and his coaches will have been busy introducing the terminology and plays.). 

They are now in Phase 3, where the time is expanded to six hours.  Eagles follow this format:

A maximum of 3 OTA’s each week for the first 2 weeks

During Weeks 1 & 2 a 4th non OTA workout is allowed but phase two rules apply (not sure if the Eagles use that fourth one but that’s because the tendency is only to refer to the team "practices” in Phase 3 as the "OTAs”.
 

That’s a lot of meetings and strength and conditioning training.  Want to make the team, continue the S&T until TC on your own.  I expect Jalen (and hopefully Mariota, Book and Tanner) and the offensive skill players get together for some bonding and working with each other during the dull time.  I think that’s also where recently we have seen DL groups and OL groups throughout the league gather and share with each other.  I am beginning to see why the Eagles consider the third OTA and minicamp as overkill. (I do wonder if they use some of the "meeting time” those two weeks for communication with the players.  They really learned to use Zoom during Covid.

This blog is such a snooze fest without bacarty, 4for4, downunderkaren, and co. 

46 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I haven’t heard that about Davis, but that’s concerning.  I’m not sure anyone has ever had a good season after showing up "in the best shape of their life.”

There were some video clips of players arriving for the Phase I or Phase II and Davis looked more fit.  

5 minutes ago, mattwill said:

There is only opinion in these types of comparisons … nothing else.  As I have said, you have laid out your opinion very well.  It is compelling.  
 

With that said, here’s my answer to the question you posed.  QB is the biggest difference between the teams, although both Hurts and Foles entered their respective post-SB offseason with questions about what their future would be.  In a sense each were facing lightning in a bottle doubts.  Hurts with injury fears and Foles with a whole raft of unknowns.  A huge part of the 100 games speculation revolves around the ability of the 2017 team, and Foles specifically, to consistently produce a comparable level of performance.  I am wholly confident in Hurts in that regard.  Not so confident in Foles.

2022 is better at both WR and at TE, although TE is close, with Goedert’s all around play being better than Ertz’s.  
 

The 2022 running game is better than 2017’s despite the fact that the 2017 RB trio is better and more well rounded than Sanders and Company were.

Mailata > Vaitai

Kelce > Kelce

Seumalo > Wiz

Dickerson < Brooks

Johnson = Johnson

All in all the 2022 Offense is markedly better than the 2017 Offense.

2022 D-line is also better than 2017’s

2017 is marginally better at LB.

2017’s DBs as a unit were better, but not by much.

STs in 2017 were consistently better than 2022’s were.

Coaches are a push, although Tommy Lawlor’s recent articles in IgglesBlitz.com makes a compelling argument for Nick over Doug.  
 

That leaves us only with your lightning in a bottle factor, which clearly was greater in 2017 than it was in 2022.

Often times the difference between being a champion and not is making the one big play at the crucial time it is needed.  The 2017 team had Brandon Graham's strip-sack and Barnett to recover.  The 2022 team didn't have a player even come close to making that play.  

9 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

This blog is such a snooze fest without bacarty, 4for4, downunderkaren, and co. 

I don't think complaining incessantly about the cap, the coach, the GM, and the owner added very much to the blog discussion -- nor did their constant practice of trolling and bickering with the trolls.  

How can anyone think this is a boring time of year when we get rankings of third string QBs.

17. Ian Book/Tanner McKee, Philadelphia Eagles 

Book is Matt Corral with a weaker arm and one disastrous NFL start: a two-interception, six-sack debacle in a 20-3 loss to the Dolphins in 2021. 

Book would rank lower if not for the chance that he will lose his roster spot to rookie Tanner McKee, a version of Davis Mills who does not look like a Gothic fresco of St. Aloysius the Giraffe Slayer.

4 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

I am curious though... where is this great disparity of talent between the 2022 and 2017 team?  What was the '22 team so much better at doing than the '17? 

Most area's of the field you can have a pretty good bar argument over who's better but the '22 pass rush was head and shoulders better and the '22 Receivers are in a different league entirely.

@hputenis is in the house! Still dating that hooker? What was his name again?