On 12/14/2025 at 9:41 AM, eagle45 said:

Any QB currently collecting a paycheck...including most of the NCAA ones that now collect paychecks....could get plugged into an NFL offense for 17 games and throw for 3,600 yards.

This 3600 theory fits an approximate football IQ level of buttered toast.

Brady Quinn was a 1st round pick and he could not throw for 3600 yards in 17 games. He averaged 130.

He could not throw for 3600 yards if the other teams played 10 on D.

Shedeur is on a pace for about 3570 with 49 sacks for -423 yards with 19 TDs and 21 picks. If he survived the 49 sacks and did not get benched on merit.

These are the elite of college football.

Next you have to factor in that 27 out of 32 college QBs would be beaten, broken, and humiliated if they tried to play in the NFL.

No one is given 17 games, you have to earn them.

Jaxson Dart was the Giants starter from week 3 on. He has 1802 yards in 12 weeks (3 of which he could not get on the field)

He's going for his 7th concussion check?

That's a first round pick on a 17 game pace as the starter of 2552 of partial play which is all he can do or 3403 if by some miracle he could get out for 17.

This was the 2nd QB drafted.

How's Jayden Daniels doing on that 3600 yards this year. They just plugged him in again.

Nick Foles was a SB MVP and he could never stay on the field for more than 11 starts.

He never had even 2900 yards passing.

Dak Prescott is probably going to be a 60k+ career passer.

He missed 3600 in 3 of his past 6 seasons.

CJ Stroud is not hitting 3600 this year. Are HUNDREDS of current college QBs better and tougher than CJ Stroud?

HUNDREDS of QBs are getting paid in college but we can assume your ignorance of that fact since it goes well with all the NFL ignorance.

Justin Fields is on his 5th year as an NFL starter and his best is 2562. He was picked 11th overall.

Teddy Bridgewater was a 1st round pick. He topped 3600 yards once in five tries and went 4-11 when he did it.

Kyler Murray, 1st overall pick, is 1 for his last 4 at hitting 3600 yards.

Daniel Jones is 0 for 7 at 3600 yards passing.

The guy who took Hurts job at 'bama is 1 for 6 at throwing for 3600 yards. 5th overall

Wentz was 3 for 7 at hitting 3600 yards. 2nd overall

The 4 best regular season winners in the current NFL are Mahomes, Jackson, Allen, and Hurts (Hurts pulls ahead of Allen if he beats Buffalo)

They all run the ball. Mahomes has 2665 rushing yards and 29 TDs and he scrambles all over the place.

He had 606 rushing yards and 7 rushing TDs in the playoffs.

The other 3 will murder you on the ground. Every one of those yards counts as much as a passing yard.

You can't consistently win like pocket Tom Brady in the modern NFL unless you are actually Tom Brady.

No one else does.

Rivers was a .500 QB his last 11 seasons but those 4000+ yard seasons looked good in the highlights of all the losses.

Rivers was 25-7 when he didn't throw for 3600+ and 109-99 when he did.

Brees won the SB in his 11th best passing yards season.

He was 59-52 with the Saints when he led the league in passing.

He was 83-34 when he did not.

Here is a 510 yards passing Brees game: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200611190nor.htm

Rodgers is 22-26 the last 4 years.

Joe Burrow is 17-15 over the last 3 seasons.

Matt Stafford is 3 games above Eli .500 for his career and was 22-18 from 2022-2024 with Sean McVay as his coach.

Goff was 18-13 over 2 years when McVay dumped him.

Hurts was 14-1 in 2022

He was 12-3 in 2024.

In his down years of 2023 and 2025? He is 20-11

Josh Allen had 47 picks from 2021-2023. He also ran for 2048 and 28 TDs so he went 35-15 anyway.

You can keep your imaginary 3600 rando.

I like our elite regular season wins and efficiency QB and SB MVP.

23 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Reminds me of how after one season Jayden Daniels and the Commanders were just anointed the team to beat in the East. Now look at him. Completely injury prone and he has a lower completion percentage than Jalen. To be clear Jalen deserves criticism for his play especially against the Chargers, but he’s not the only one. The most critical are the same clowns who tried to say the Eagles made the playoffs his first full season as the starter because of Kelce.

Jayden Daniels is an interesting study. It's a little early to definitively conclude he's injury prone. He came into the NFL older and more mature than average rookie QBs and the pressure didn't seem to affect him . He's a true dual-threat QB and that prevented teams from really going after him all game long. The coaches in year 1 wisely had him mostly throwing short, high completion % passes and if he didn't have an open target right away, he was successful taking off running. He had a couple miracle passes that connected and his legend grew. All the good fortune didn't carryover into his 2nd year. Obviously injuries plagued him in 2025 and, IMO, his HC is to blame. He should not have been playing late in a 4th quarter blowout loss and should not have been rushed back on to the field before that type of injury was fully healed. Daniels has all the physical tools to grow into a great NFL QB in time. Obviously it's fair to question his durability right now. But more than that, I question his desire to improve, his desire to want to be elite. Playing around with a basketball in pregame warmups, may help get him loose, but it won't make him a better QB.

Jalen Hurts, on the other hand, has proven to be extremely durable. He's also laser focused on continually getting better. Like every QB, he may have a bad game now and then, but people are usually nitpicking games where he actually played well, but simply didn't have enough passing yards for the critics. Jalen is human, imperfect, but he has been our most reliable player since he became the starter. Fans always want more, more, more ... What matters the most, though?

Playoffs

Season	Age	Team	Lg	Pos	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	1D	Succ%	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	Sk	Yds	Sk%	NY/A	ANY/A	4QC	GWD	Awards
2021	23	PHI	NFL	QB	1	1	0-1-0	23	43	53.5	258	1	2.3	2	4.7	10	28.9	35	6.0	4.37	11.2	258.0	60.0	2	14	4.44	5.42	3.87	0	0
2022	24	PHI	NFL	QB	3	3	2-1-0	58	87	66.7	579	3	3.4	0	0.0	25	42.9	45	6.7	7.34	10.0	193.0	96.9	4	8	4.40	6.27	6.93	0	0
2023	25	PHI	NFL	QB	1	1	0-1-0	25	35	71.4	250	1	2.9	0	0.0	9	34.2	55	7.1	7.71	10.0	250.0	100.9	3	16	7.89	6.16	6.68	0	0
2024	26	PHI	NFL	QB	4	4	4-0-0	65	91	71.4	726	5	5.5	1	1.1	35	49.0	46	8.0	8.58	11.2	181.5	108.6	13	100	12.50	6.02	6.55	0	0	SB MVP
4 Yrs					9	9	6-3-0	171	256	66.8	1813	10	3.9	3	1.2	79	41.7	55	7.1	7.34	10.6	201.4	95.4	22	138	7.91	6.03	6.26	0	0

3 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Jayden Daniels is an interesting study. It's a little early to definitively conclude he's injury prone. He came into the NFL older and more mature than average rookie QBs and the pressure didn't seem to affect him . He's a true dual-threat QB and that prevented teams from really going after him all game long. The coaches in year 1 wisely had him mostly throwing short, high completion % passes and if he didn't have an open target right away, he was successful taking off running. He had a couple miracle passes that connected and his legend grew. All the good fortune didn't carryover into his 2nd year. Obviously injuries plagued him in 2025 and, IMO, his HC is to blame. He should not have been playing late in a 4th quarter blowout loss and should not have been rushed back on to the field before that type of injury was fully healed. Daniels has all the physical tools to grow into a great NFL QB in time. Obviously it's fair to question his durability right now. But more than that, I question his desire to improve, his desire to want to be elite. Playing around with a basketball in pregame warmups, may help get him loose, but it won't make him a better QB.

Jalen Hurts, on the other hand, has proven to be extremely durable. He's also laser focused on continually getting better. Like every QB, he may have a bad game now and then, but people are usually nitpicking games where he actually played well, but simply didn't have enough passing yards for the critics. Jalen is human, imperfect, but he has been our most reliable player since he became the starter. Fans always want more, more, more ... What matters the most, though?

Playoffs

Season	Age	Team	Lg	Pos	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	1D	Succ%	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	Sk	Yds	Sk%	NY/A	ANY/A	4QC	GWD	Awards
2021	23	PHI	NFL	QB	1	1	0-1-0	23	43	53.5	258	1	2.3	2	4.7	10	28.9	35	6.0	4.37	11.2	258.0	60.0	2	14	4.44	5.42	3.87	0	0
2022	24	PHI	NFL	QB	3	3	2-1-0	58	87	66.7	579	3	3.4	0	0.0	25	42.9	45	6.7	7.34	10.0	193.0	96.9	4	8	4.40	6.27	6.93	0	0
2023	25	PHI	NFL	QB	1	1	0-1-0	25	35	71.4	250	1	2.9	0	0.0	9	34.2	55	7.1	7.71	10.0	250.0	100.9	3	16	7.89	6.16	6.68	0	0
2024	26	PHI	NFL	QB	4	4	4-0-0	65	91	71.4	726	5	5.5	1	1.1	35	49.0	46	8.0	8.58	11.2	181.5	108.6	13	100	12.50	6.02	6.55	0	0	SB MVP
4 Yrs					9	9	6-3-0	171	256	66.8	1813	10	3.9	3	1.2	79	41.7	55	7.1	7.34	10.6	201.4	95.4	22	138	7.91	6.03	6.26	0	0

When it comes down to it for me it’s all about winning.

So obviously Jalen Hurts is about to become the first quarterback in the NFC East to win the division in consecutive seasons since McNabb and the Eagles did it from 2001-2004, and that’s impressive, but do you know what’s more impressive by the reigning SB MVP? When the Eagles win this division, Jalen Hurts will become the first (AND ONLY) quarterback in NFL history to have went to the playoffs in four consecutive seasons with four different play callers. So cry for your back ups all you want, (every year it seems) but the reality of the situation is HE IS THE EAGLES GUY. If you can’t handle it then you might want to find a new team. So this ASSumption that this type of stuff just always happens is blatantly false. No quarterback goes through these types of changes year after year and is always successful except Jalen Hurts.

Despite all the OCs he's had as an Eagle, the only real drastic change was going from the Pederson coaching staff to the Sirianni one. The offense has not undergone any significant changes since Sirianni gave up play-calling in his 1st season with the Eagles.

One thing that really bothers me is watching Hurts try to get down in a scramble, half way in between a slide and a I don't know what, and he catches his foot under his glute and injures himself. How does a professional athlete not know how to slide? I remember Vick having problems with it as well. He looks like my Grandma at 88 years old trying to sit down for a picknick. I can't get the image of him with his foot trapped under his ass sideways and then getting slammed by a LBr anyway.

Sidenote, last night Stafford threw for 450 yards, 3 TDs, and no picks or sacks and lost to Darnold who threw for 270 with 2 TDs, 2 INTs, and 4 sacks. Stats don't always tell the tale.

13 minutes ago, MR-CYN said:

One thing that really bothers me is watching Hurts try to get down in a scramble, half way in between a slide and a I don't know what, and he catches his foot under his glute and injures himself. How does a professional athlete not know how to slide? I remember Vick having problems with it as well. He looks like my Grandma at 88 years old trying to sit down for a picknick. I can't get the image of him with his foot trapped under his ass sideways and then getting slammed by a LBr anyway.

Sidenote, last night Stafford threw for 450 yards, 3 TDs, and no picks or sacks and lost to Darnold who threw for 270 with 2 TDs, 2 INTs, and 4 sacks. Stats don't always tell the tale.

There were several 3 and outs as well.

Here is the 450 yards and 3 TD Stafford game with the Hurts high bar lens.

Darnold threw his 2nd pick and it should have ended the game with 9:39 to play at 30-14

Stafford was awful.

7 for 18 for the rest of regulation.

1 of the 7 completions was a 5 yard pass on 3rd and 10.

Stafford was great last night at being an offensive player of the year and he was bad at being a winner.

On 12/19/2025 at 8:42 AM, brkmsn said:

Despite all the OCs he's had as an Eagle, the only real drastic change was going from the Pederson coaching staff to the Sirianni one. The offense has not undergone any significant changes since Sirianni gave up play-calling in his 1st season with the Eagles.

Every play caller added their style and philosophy to the play calling. With that being the case do you think any elite

Quarterback in the NFL wants a completely new offensive style every time they get a new OC? I don’t think so. I’ll add take Mahomes for example. He can have a new OC every year and it would never matter, because his play caller always stays the same as Andy Reid. Not the same situation as Jalen in the slightest so while you may want to minimize Jalen’s situation, you’re wrong for doing so.

9 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Every play caller added their style and philosophy to the play calling. With that being the case do you think any elite

Quarterback in the NFL wants a completely new offensive style every time they get a new OC? I don’t think so. I’ll add take Mahomes for example. He can have a new OC every year and it would never matter, because his play caller always stays the same as Andy Reid. Not the same situation as Jalen in the slightest so while you may want to minimize Jalen’s situation, you’re wrong for doing so.

I don't see it as minimizing his situation. I just don't think it has been a negative factor that has held him back or anything. It's still been the same offense built around his strengths and a run-first philosophy. Since I don't believe the OC changes have been as big a deal as you believe, maybe you can shed some light on what major changes have affected the offense since Sirianni gave up play-calling.

Steichen was here two years and when he left, Brian Johnson, a familiar face moved up the ranks and made no changes and didn't change any terminology. Then Kellen Moore came in, added a little bit of motion and nothing else changed. Then KP took over --- another guy that had been here the whole time and made no significant changes. The most significant or drastic change we saw was after the Hurts extension when the team basically told him to slide at all cost. That came with a side effect that made the read option plays much less effective, thus preventing them from being called as much. But that had nothing to do with the OC changes and everything to do with protecting an investment.

There are plenty of people that don't like Hurts or the style of QB he brings. I'm not one of them. I just don't buy the idea that the OC changes have been a big deal. I think there are more positives than negatives in Jalen's case. If he had had to go from Andy Reid to Chip Kelly to Sirianni, yeah ... that would have been major changes in concept and terminology that could have really hindered his growth. But all he has really had was different name plaques on a desk, a little more or less motion, the addition of a shovel pass, and more plays under center. The rest has been unchanged and our success often rests on the execution of the offensive line.

8 hours ago, brkmsn said:

I don't see it as minimizing his situation. I just don't think it has been a negative factor that has held him back or anything. It's still been the same offense built around his strengths and a run-first philosophy. Since I don't believe the OC changes have been as big a deal as you believe, maybe you can shed some light on what major changes have affected the offense since Sirianni gave up play-calling.

Steichen was here two years and when he left, Brian Johnson, a familiar face moved up the ranks and made no changes and didn't change any terminology. Then Kellen Moore came in, added a little bit of motion and nothing else changed. Then KP took over --- another guy that had been here the whole time and made no significant changes. The most significant or drastic change we saw was after the Hurts extension when the team basically told him to slide at all cost. That came with a side effect that made the read option plays much less effective, thus preventing them from being called as much. But that had nothing to do with the OC changes and everything to do with protecting an investment.

There are plenty of people that don't like Hurts or the style of QB he brings. I'm not one of them. I just don't buy the idea that the OC changes have been a big deal. I think there are more positives than negatives in Jalen's case. If he had had to go from Andy Reid to Chip Kelly to Sirianni, yeah ... that would have been major changes in concept and terminology that could have really hindered his growth. But all he has really had was different name plaques on a desk, a little more or less motion, the addition of a shovel pass, and more plays under center. The rest has been unchanged and our success often rests on the execution of the offensive line.

I just think at this point in his career it would be nice to see consistency at the play caller position, and his most productive season is arguably his second season with Steichen. Since then it’s been a new play caller and a new voice. They need some consistency here.

Things have been on another level for this franchise since he became the starter.

@EazyEaglez The game before this started was the NFC East garbage division special.

Hurts sat late so Sudfeld could get a try and the Giants loser coach cried. Judge? All the loser Giants coaches just kind of blend together.

4-11-1 with the 26/24 ranked offense to this.

On 12/22/2025 at 8:39 AM, EazyEaglez said:

Things have been on another level for this franchise since he became the starter.

That is also Howie Roseman's record over the last 5 years.

1 hour ago, CouchKing said:

  On 12/22/2025 at 8:39 AM, EazyEaglez said:

Things have been on another level for this franchise since he became the starter.

Howie been here a lot longer than that, but Howie is the one who drafted him too.

Dakota Rayne "Dak Stats" Prescott has 30 TDs this year.

Its his 4th season of 30+ TDs in 10 years as the Cowboys starter.

Goff has 4 years of 30+ TDs in 9 years as a starter.

Stafford has 5 seasons of 30+ TDs in 17 years as a starter.

Lamar Jackson has 3 years of 30+ TDs in 7 seasons as a starter.

Mahomes has 4 seasons of 30+ TDs in 8 years as a starter.

Hurts has 4 straight years of 30+ TDs in and 4 in 5 years as the Eagles starter.

Allen currently has 6 straight and 6 of 8.

Brady had 0 in his 20s (0-5) and was 10 for 16 after so 10 for 21.

Manning was 7 for 14 in Indy and 3 for 4 in Denver so 10 for 18

Brees was 0-6 to start, 9 for 9 in the middle, and 1 for 4 to end so 10 for 19

Fashion fool was 3 for his first 5 including his 30 and 10 season in 2015.

He was 0-4 after that so 3 for 9 overall.

Goff out there handing out turnovers left and right on a team going nowhere. Will they be calling for him to be benched like they did Jalen. 🤔

16 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Goff out there handing out turnovers left and right on a team going nowhere. Will they be calling for him to be benched like they did Jalen. 🤔

From The Den fan forum:

20 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Goff out there handing out turnovers left and right on a team going nowhere. Will they be calling for him to be benched like they did Jalen. 🤔

When shouty show vermin make top 5 QB lists to intentionally exclude Hurts, they love to put Goff in there. 💩

(and people who can't think for themselves duplicate their opinions)

Last year it was sometimes Jayden Daniels at 5. 🤡

Maybe Drake Maye with his 155 yards and 1 pick when 210 and 0 locks up the division vs Buffalo?

The rest of his team ran 23 times for 201 yards and Maye nets 182 with 2 TD runs and a pick.

Maye is 2-2 in his life vs playoff teams (3-2 if you count 1 ceremonial pass in week 18 last year vs Buffalo backups)

That dude is elite. 🤡

The question is not if guys like Goff, Maye, Darnold, Daniels, and Jordan Love are better than Hurts. They are clearly not.

The question is, are they better than 30+ TDs both years, 23-10 record and lets see what he does in year 2's playoffs Bo Nix.

Maye can't help it if it's only year 2 for him and he can't set his team's schedule. But he has had a very good year playing QB. There's no reason to minimize what he has been able to do. Guys like Goff, Geno Smith, Mac Jones, and Aaron Rodgers are barely throwing the ball down the field and getting credit mainly for what receivers are doing after the catch. But Maye, on the other hand, is actually tied for 2nd (T-1st among "starters") in average air yards per attempt (9.1). Jalen is up there too at 8.8. So when people get all caught up on pure passing totals and don't consider the metrics and averages, they often undervalue QBs that are actually more efficient, like Hurts. There are also old-school football fans that think playing QB requires mimicking Peyton Manning and Tom Brady and are trying to cling on to an era where QBs drafted out of college were statues. College is adapting and mobile QBs are not just relegated to running Wishbone or Power-I offenses. The true dual-threat QBs produced in college and many of the concepts designed to take advantage of their abilities have made it into the NFL which is always evolving. Some fans and analysts just can't let go of the past.

Looking at Jalen this year, with the exception of the chargers game, he has had his best overall year. he can't undo that game and it's still pretty fresh in people's minds. So many fans aren't really going to appreciate it unless he follows it up with another good postseason run. I think Jalen's accuracy is very underrated --- his career "on target percentage" is right there with Tom Brady, Matthew Stafford, etc...

So when many people rank QBs, they tend to rank them as "passers" instead of QBs. That hurts Jalen on a lot of lists, but who really cares? Every year there are better passers than Jalen in the NFL, but every year he remains one of the best QBs when QB is not a predefined pattern, but an actual position on an offense that may not resemble every other offense.

Terry Bradshaw is in the HOF along with a dozen other guys on his team. I kind of feel like he would wash-out as a QB in today's NFL. In his era, though, his team had a lot of success and he shared credit for that success. So far, Jalen has had a lot of success as well.

Bradshaw would be great in any era. They changed the rules (5 yards no hitting WRs) and Bradshaw turned into a bomber.

He had a 112 passer rating in 4 Super Bowls including some of the top 25 plays in NFL History (Levitating Leap and the deep ball to Stallworth vs the Rams)

I'm not saying Maye is bad or can't eventually be a great QB.

I'm just saying he has put up some numbers and won some games on a cake schedule.

Hurts and Allen have proven themselves.

Goff has proven he is not the guy.

Let Maye prove he is better than Stroud, Lawrence, Nix, Herbert, and old Rodgers in these playoffs before crowning him.

Jalen Hurts was not good this game.

He played especially awful in the second half.

Timid? Incompetent? Ineffective? Waste of money?

17 minutes ago, CouchKing said:

Jalen Hurts was not good this game.

He played especially awful in the second half.

Timid? Incompetent? Ineffective? Waste of money?

Was good in the first half. Poor in the second, although there were also a couple of crucial drops. Again play calling and failing to deal with the adjustments of the other DC was an issue.

But a lot of other QBs would force something and give the Bills a win. He did enough and got another win against one of the best QBs in the league on the road.

Just now, ManchesterEagle said:

Was good in the first half. Poor in the second, although there were also a couple of crucial drops. Again play calling and failing to deal with the adjustments of the other DC was an issue.

But a lot of other QBs would force something and give the Bills a win. He did enough and got another win against one of the best QBs in the league on the road.

Jalen Hurts was the King of All Chokers in the second half of this game.