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Ongoing Eagles New Discussion volume 2

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1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

It's a lot of people doing a lot of lying if the team doesn't support him.   No reason for Fletcher Cox and Jason Kekce to go into intimate detail about all the specific reasons they feel Siri is a good coach.   

The only negative issue I think was addressed in the offseason when they basically told the QB to grow up!   

So shocking two players very concerned about their image and legacy in the city try to take the positive high road. They just aren’t train wreck thug screwed up people like some Antonio Brown types. Good strong character players and people is all. Do you actually believe Cox and Kelce don’t fully believe we got outcoached in that SB? Very badly at that. Siri straight came in worshipping Kelce. Deferred to him as the player leader along with Fletch. Siri was at the helm at the end of both players careers. It could have gone differently. Not every player gets to finish their careers with one team on their own terms. Siri allowed them that.

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1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

It's a lot of people doing a lot of lying if the team doesn't support him.   No reason for Fletcher Cox and Jason Kekce to go into intimate detail about all the specific reasons they feel Siri is a good coach.   

The only negative issue I think was addressed in the offseason when they basically told the QB to grow up!   

Just really great that two players that no longer have anything on the line based on the coach…are the guys you sighted to prove Siri’s relationship with other players. The two top notch stud ring of honor Eagles players entrenched in Eagles history that Siri treated as such. Wonder what those O players were feeling when they were leaking complaints last season…before all the massive insurmountable losing even occurred? I’m sure all those guys really were much happier and solidified to have Siri’s back …after their leaked complaints during the winning when the losing actually took hold. 

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Idk.. I don't think it's a lock that Moore leaves.  Think he will be back as OC next year.  

At this point there is no lock changes occur. That’s the sad scary part. It just keeps finding a way to happen. But Moore was hired under the pretense he was running his O with Siri being the ultimate CEO decision maker only. OC under Siri isn’t a great job. Be much more respectable job under a quality HC in a quality O. Having a guy not nearly as knowledgable or qualified weigh and hold you down I would think Moore some what regrets accepting now. Siri got the HC job directly over Moore to begin with not based on them head to head..mono y mono..,Siri’s assistants got him the gig.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

We just see the world differently.  Hurts is your everything.  He is my QB for 3 more years...then I'll move on. He isn't my GM, my coach, my leader or anything else.   I don't give him credit for things he didn't do.


Exactly why you aren’t pissed that Siri has shortchanged our franchise QB. You’re a Hurts Hater. Point blank! 

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Imagine being a Dallas fan when Jerry bankrupts the team EVERY year.  

They’ve been one game make or break difference every season between us. Bad coaches and bad cap management …we’ve been neck and neck with each season to win the East. You might need to actually just accept some reality at some points. Up to you.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Or ....your franchise QB just isn't going to develop.  Regardless of who coaches him.  His basic fundamentals for reading defenses are just brutal.. very smart to keep him in his lane. Surround him with stud players and let him have his nice little career.

  A real coach has a scheme he teaches his players. A real coach doesn’t just neglect developing his franchise QB because he isn’t completely relying on hIm doing those parts of the job…right this second. Siri utilized motion the least of the entire league…by a wide margin. Got plays in late. So coming to the line with little play clock left not getting any benefit of the extra tell motion gives QBs to read a D…would this benefit any QB with his reads? That’s an easy softball fact of how Siri directly has held Hurts back ..any QB that would have played. 

   It was directly on Siri only’s watch Hurts and the O weren’t given the tools to succeed. He wasn’t remotely qualified. Not just talking about he was completely inexperienced. The very things you attack Hurts for …he just is a player that needed a coach. Every glimpse we get of progress comes from the OCs. Mediocre OCs Steichen and Moore just showing stark contrast with the same team from Siri. They aren’t Shannahan and McVay. 
  Is Siri even qualified to be an OC? Nope. Well ..maybe…under an older HC in charge of his O…would be the fit possibly for Siri. Younger more energy guy for the actual football knowledgable coach…that could use the grunt worker bee.

 I don’t even know who..for what Siri would get his next job with. He sure isn’t getting a HC gig. I don’t even see him getting a OC job…in the NFL that is. He’s a WR coach….but hasn’t been able to develop that third WR  though. Not even really a WR coach.

Just keep tearing down our leader while pumping up the bad HC that’s in charge of making sure he does what you b17ch about,

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I mentioned Barkley " developing "   I simply mentioned he is having his best season here  Same as AJ... all the other guys making pro bowls. 

It sucks the QB can't seem to get better but you can't get blood from a stone.  He is fine managing the game.

AJ thrived from Hurts. Was a clear upgrade from all the other QBs he’s played with. They have a next level connection together. 
 Blood from stone? Like trying to do much more in an O than what we’ve accomplished …held back in such a subpar Siri all encompassing environment. They have been working to overcome all his shortcomings. Our players are just that strong…hard working competitive driven characters. 

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

The tough teams were at the back end of the schedule... wasn't a tough prediction seeing losses there.  

You think Detroit finishes 16-1?  

Would it be a collapse if they lose 3 games here? 

I mean…after all that…and you still have no idea what happened and is happening. You really just think we played so very tough teams was the struggle. It really just baffles me how you could have been watching our franchise as closely as you do…and miss so very much. We were having trouble punching our way out of a paper bag at the end…it wasn’t because Arizona was an unstoppable juggernaut.

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

It's a great time to be a fan here.  Watching a team where we have our draft picks dominating the game.

Much different than that 2022 team where we had all the guys we knew were leaving.  On top of our core 4 getting old ( Kelce , Cox, Lane and Graham) we had guys like Reddick,  Hargrave,  Sanders, Bradberry, Epps, LBs we knew were going to leave... not really guys we invested in to be Eagles. 

Now we get to watch guys we know will be here for years to come, guys we invested in.   Seeing them develop and improve each week.  It's a beautiful thing watching Carter, Dean, DeJean, Q etc. Knowing the offensive guys are going to play together for years.... Jurgens stepping in to replace Kelce. Just great foundation to build on. Youth and not too much missing compared to other years when we knew a lot of changes were needed.

We resign Becton and Baun... really just need depth and that other CB spot locked up. I'd still love to add a DL to the mix. Hargrave or Jernigan type that got to benefit from Cox getting double teamed... we could use that next to Carter.  Make the D scary.

It’s a bunch of things all at once occurring. It does bring optimism that Rosie bit the bullet after screwing things all up last season with Fangio. He hired a DC that was quality enough that won’t be his puppet. Football guy..in charge of football. So my hope is that was just move one. Second move being to do the same with the HC..that runs the O. Yes feeling good about the D now and future projection. But frustrating and debilitating thinking about the other side of the ball. At least let the mediocre O guy in Moore work. Not like he’s so fantastic…but him being weighed down? How far can we get like that? Siri caps us out. Inexperienced is just another piece that isn’t the biggest issue even. At least let us have the Steichen level O. Just mediocre from there and we won’t be stopped. We didn’t even get Steichen level though. Got him under the anchor pulling him down of Siri. So now…give me at least the Moore O. 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So shocking two players very concerned about their image and legacy in the city try to take the positive high road. They just aren’t train wreck thug screwed up people like some Antonio Brown types. Good strong character players and people is all. Do you actually believe Cox and Kelce don’t fully believe we got outcoached in that SB? Very badly at that. Siri straight came in worshipping Kelce. Deferred to him as the player leader along with Fletch. Siri was at the helm at the end of both players careers. It could have gone differently. Not every player gets to finish their careers with one team on their own terms. Siri allowed them that.

Obviously because it wasn't on TMZ...you don't follow it. No soap opera stuff....just Kelce and Cox explaining in specific detail...unlike your boy with the cliché ... just keep your main thing the main thing.   Lol

It must really suck for you right now being a fan of this team....with your boy not getting all the shine!   Like a woman scorned! 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It’s a bunch of things all at once occurring. It does bring optimism that Rosie bit the bullet after screwing things all up last season with Fangio. He hired a DC that was quality enough that won’t be his puppet. Football guy..in charge of football. So my hope is that was just move one. Second move being to do the same with the HC..that runs the O. Yes feeling good about the D now and future projection. But frustrating and debilitating thinking about the other side of the ball. At least let the mediocre O guy in Moore work. Not like he’s so fantastic…but him being weighed down? How far can we get like that? Siri caps us out. Inexperienced is just another piece that isn’t the biggest issue even. At least let us have the Steichen level O. Just mediocre from there and we won’t be stopped. We didn’t even get Steichen level though. Got him under the anchor pulling him down of Siri. So now…give me at least the Moore O. 

Dude...only you live on the planet with Arizona doing illegal stuff and you blame Howie for it.

But....look how fast you were " we are going to lose a draft pick because of how Rosie recruited Barkley "  

You live in your own world. 

Btw...the offense is better now than 2022...  reason being they are scoring vs some decent defenses... 2022 was a joke level of competition.  

They are doing now while having all these injuries.   2022 they were healthy all year. 

Way more impressive this year. 

2022 was a snoozefest..  you know how you know it.   You will have zero memories of any big win that year.  

Beating Daniel Jones and Christian McCaffrey as the two opposing QBs in the playoffs. 

The whole stadium is trying to help Siri out. I hold us Eagles fans to a very high regard football knowledge level. But our HC needs to not need to be taught by Timmy J in Section 134. Even the known proven fact that our HC is actually acknowledging he’s hearing and bothered by anything the fans are saying….you can’t do that in high school ball. I honestly felt like I had the answers to counter our collapse last season. Answers might be a bit more than what I’m trying to say. Do better. We are dealing with just that low of level situation under Siri.

13 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Obviously because it wasn't on TMZ...you don't follow it. No soap opera stuff....just Kelce and Cox explaining in specific detail...unlike your boy with the cliché ... just keep your main thing the main thing.   Lol

It must really suck for you right now being a fan of this team....with your boy not getting all the shine!   Like a woman scorned! 

All Hurts cares about is winning…but he is very focused on prioritizing the highest goal. We could be chasing our third SB parade after this season…after we won our second SB. That’s how I’d feel about us under just a decent O HC. Not even going crazy with having the top best HC hire. Consistently stated that my only hope for us to really be ready and legitimate contender lays on Moore implementing his O to the highest possible within this one season. See..last season…with the knowledge of understanding we weren’t contenders…at 10-1…sours the experience. I mean a 5-6 team that is growing and developing to become so much more by seasons end…a contender when the games have so much more meaning…that’s more exciting for me. 
  Flat out been underwhelming hire of Siri. It never was a good move. So…to just keep churning over and over again with him? It’s gone from: ok bad move….to screwing up our franchise. He’s good at winning week one. We now should all understand that’s because he’s taking shortcuts. Just skip the longer term very crucial needs of the franchise prioritizing week one.

I mean your complaint is about our top franchise QB not being developed stuck in a subpar scheme, gameplanning and playcalling with a coach done nothing but prove he isn’t doing what our franchise needs. He isn’t just making the decisions directly shorting our O this…..he isn’t capable. Hurts has been so far superior to any other QB come through here. Shew, Mariota and Pickett. Siri needed that grizzled vet QB that didn’t need him to answer…well pretty much anything. 

38 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Dude...only you live on the planet with Arizona doing illegal stuff and you blame Howie for it.

But....look how fast you were " we are going to lose a draft pick because of how Rosie recruited Barkley "  

You live in your own world. 

Fangio did everything but admit that’s why we lost him…he was already in house setup for the job.

 I just don’t look at things concerning courting FAs like you do. For me?  I see things as GMs always are not following the rules concerning FA contact. It hasn’t even really been a hidden secret. They changed the rules…exactly so it supplied a plausible doubt about the whole league is following the rules. So yeah…Rosie does whatever he thinks he can pull off. Cousins so obviously even told everybody about it occurred. Think about: Cousins was a bidding war. Wasn’t just ATL breaking the rules. To have signed him? Required having won his services way before the allowed agent negotiating period began.

42 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

2022 was a snoozefest..  you know how you know it.   You will have zero memories of any big win that year.  

Beating Daniel Jones and Christian McCaffrey as the two opposing QBs in the playoffs. 

At least we had Steichen had earned a high level of power over the O. That gave us a shot. Far from the everybodies getting fired first season situation Siri started with under his dominating control in 2021. 2024? We are going backwards under the 2-5 coach.

Guess one of many differences you and I have No Mas is you don’t see how I keep pointing out all the overwhelming evidence about Siri has been screwing us..holding us back. How Siri’s heavy flaws are killing us still from his first season. It’s not just in the moment a bad decision about a field goal. His deep flaws just keep stacking over and over.

I don’t need Hurts to pile on statistics. Or the O. I need them to become the most dangerous version they can by seasons end. I do like winning each week. But I thought we were finally so very clearly done with Siri holding us down. But they brought him back even still. They made it clear…he’s stripped of power over the O and the D. Then he keeps weaseling back. We’re going backwards with the Siri situation. I’d fire him today and let Moore take over and be free of him. That’s how strongly I feel about the situation. And I just keep saying… not even real high on Moore. Just give the team a chance.

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7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Then don’t put his decisions and lacking qualifications on our players. The freaking hilarious part is…the main thing you highlight against Siri…I mean how can you just routinely nail not understanding what’s happening? Rosie employs a very robust analytics operation. Siri is just the mailman there. He’s given orders to follow Rosie’s guys. Maybe he can go for an extra fourth down opportunity… they have tons of scenarios planned out with the strategy already. Plus they are completely on analyzing and breaking down everything in game. Telling Siri in real time.

Then don't knock the process because it works

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

2022 was a snoozefest..  you know how you know it.   You will have zero memories of any big win that year.  

Beating Daniel Jones and Christian McCaffrey as the two opposing QBs in the playoffs. 

The whole season it was clearly between us and the Niners in the NFC. Your McCaffrey as QB is just weak sauce you are cheating our team from a great victory. We took out their QBs. We turned them into that. Not how they walked into the game to begin.

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7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

   But I’m sure this will all work out for the Hurts Haters. Especially well for No Mas trying to cling to Siri is a good HC. Just keep Siri holding us back. Siri’s short term only decisions and thinking really have already done so much damage. 
 Talk about The Bronze Standard No Mas…that’s Siri’s ceiling…if he’s carried there. His choices make sure the future is behind schedule …criminally. Now after such a track record it should be obvious…Siri was way in over his head as a first year HC hired here. He had strong assistants at least. He just skipped…or massively underrated coaching and developing longer term…than the next game. 

10-2 is holding us back???

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