3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Theoretically..,don’t get caught in these two small example athletes. Everywhere …always.

Think that’s the overall weights to balance with choosing players

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Theoretically..,don’t get caught in these two small example athletes. Everywhere …always.

But I'm talking two players...specifically...  you have to go to extreme as usual. 

Super athlete vs the geek.  Nowhere near Gainwell vs Sanders.  

A dude I know, season ticket holder since the 80s,college player, Penn State fan...etc.   Hated the Sanders pick.  " he brings nothing to the table, no moves, no power , he can run-through a hole"  idk...I think his long speed was pretty good... but never did I see him make something out of nothing, nor did I feel he was reliable getting short yardage when needed.

Marino they say got like a 15 on the Wonderlic. I’d ride with him all day long though. Much more than Fitzpatrick whom I assume crushed it

Just now, joemas6 said:

But I'm talking two players...specifically...  you have to go to extreme as usual. 

Super athlete vs the geek.  Nowhere near Gainwell vs Sanders.  

A dude I know, season ticket holder since the 80s,college player, Penn State fan...etc.   Hated the Sanders pick.  " he brings nothing to the table, no moves, no power , he can run-through a hole"  idk...I think his long speed was pretty good... but never did I see him make something out of nothing, nor did I feel he was reliable getting short yardage when needed.

Yeah…not accurate. Sanders was very shifty. Siri hated that style. Demanded Sanders become the one cut North South runner. Which worked out great for that season. I believe crushed him in Carolina.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Marino they say got like a 15 on the Wonderlic. I’d ride with him all day long though. Much more than Fitzpatrick whom I assume crushed it

You think Marino would forget plays?  4 angry DL are coming after you...you have 2 seconds to decide what to do.... not sure a wonderlic test does anything there? 

There are plenty of athletes that are not overall " smart " people when it comes to life..  but they know their sport. 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yeah…not accurate. Sanders was very shifty. Siri hated that style. Demanded Sanders become the one cut North South runner. Which worked out great for that season. I believe crushed him in Carolina.

Nah...not shifty at all.  Fast ..not shifty

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Yeah…not accurate. Sanders was very shifty. Siri hated that style. Demanded Sanders become the one cut North South runner. Which worked out great for that season. I believe crushed him in Carolina.

But can’t blame Sanders for taking the paycheck. You pretty much have to, don’t you? Even if the situation isn’t right. I wouldn’t walk away from that money…tell you that. Now…if I’d made a bunch of money already….then I could afford to maybe consider more variables.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yeah…not accurate. Sanders was very shifty. Siri hated that style. Demanded Sanders become the one cut North South runner. Which worked out great for that season. I believe crushed him in Carolina.

I mean, you can always Google Sanders highlights...I don’t think you will see " shifty"  and that's the highlights...the best plays. 

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

But I'm talking two players...specifically...  you have to go to extreme as usual. 

Super athlete vs the geek.  Nowhere near Gainwell vs Sanders.  

A dude I know, season ticket holder since the 80s,college player, Penn State fan...etc.   Hated the Sanders pick.  " he brings nothing to the table, no moves, no power , he can run-through a hole"  idk...I think his long speed was pretty good... but never did I see him make something out of nothing, nor did I feel he was reliable getting short yardage when needed.

I’m saying these are the extremes…guys can be anywhere in between on both sides. Where do you draw the lines?

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But can’t blame Sanders for taking the paycheck. You pretty much have to, don’t you? Even if the situation isn’t right. I wouldn’t walk away from that money…tell you that. Now…if I’d made a bunch of money already….then I could afford to maybe consider more variables.

He didn't have a choice...the Eagles didn't even bother contacting him...they wanted no part of him. 

But if you only talk these two players specifically….Sanders was a starter…Gainwell isn’t.

Just now, joemas6 said:

He didn't have a choice...the Eagles didn't even bother contacting him...they wanted no part of him. 

I don’t know how many teams Sanders talked to….wait…his agent talked to LOL

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

You think Marino would forget plays?  4 angry DL are coming after you...you have 2 seconds to decide what to do.... not sure a wonderlic test does anything there? 

There are plenty of athletes that are not overall " smart " people when it comes to life..  but they know their sport. 

Supposedly Wonderlic tests quick processing potentials….I really don’t know much about the test….just read that was part of it. That how you approach taking the whole test…..is a big part of the test as well.

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

You think Marino would forget plays?  4 angry DL are coming after you...you have 2 seconds to decide what to do.... not sure a wonderlic test does anything there? 

There are plenty of athletes that are not overall " smart " people when it comes to life..  but they know their sport. 

RBs probably on the lower end even of those

51 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I agree. .that is the one thing Sanders can do...better than Gainwell. But I don’t think that is what coaches look for.  They want the reliable back.

That isn't Sanders 

I don’t think either are what coaches look for really

8 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I mean, you can always Google Sanders highlights...I don’t think you will see " shifty"  and that's the highlights...the best plays. 

Don’t think you can see many Gainwell highlights

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m saying these are the extremes…guys can be anywhere in between on both sides. Where do you draw the lines?

I'm not contemplating that philosophical question....I'm living in the reality not the hypothetical.   Reality is there will be choices that the Eagles will make... 2 specific players...each time they should make the call specific to that choice. 

One may be the better athlete, one may be the other guy.  Each choice should be specific to that.

The reason i give you this answer.  I feel for years they tried to follow a predetermined play book or philosophy. 

That's what led them to taking a Todd Herriman over a Ray Lewis or Troy Palamalu...  too much following a formula...   that's when you get in trouble. 

" defense built to play with a lead ( Andy)

" big people beat up little people " Chip

Both sound great....but you gotta go case by case IMO.   

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

He didn't have a choice...the Eagles didn't even bother contacting him...they wanted no part of him. 

Siri never did…wasn’t even kind of secretive

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But if you only talk these two players specifically….Sanders was a starter…Gainwell isn’t.

Sanders isn't a guy helping you win....they went backwards as a team in rushing the year he got all the carries.  Gainwell to me is good at his role and can help you win doing the little things. 

We can come back in 5 years...see who has more impact 5 years after leaving the Eagles, obviously to be fair we will give Sanders 3 more years since he probably won't even be in the league as long as Gainwell 

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Siri never did…wasn’t even kind of secretive

I thought Siri had no input?  Which is it?

Just now, joemas6 said:

I'm not contemplating that philosophical question....I'm living in the reality not the hypothetical.   Reality is there will be choices that the Eagles will make... 2 specific players...each time they should make the call specific to that choice. 

One may be the better athlete, one may be the other guy.  Each choice should be specific to that.

The reason i give you this answer.  I feel for years they tried to follow a predetermined play book or philosophy. 

That's what led them to taking a Todd Herriman over a Ray Lewis or Troy Palamalu...  too much following a formula...   that's when you get in trouble. 

" defense built to play with a lead ( Andy)

" big people beat up little people " Chip

Both sound great....but you gotta go case by case IMO.   

Sanders was the starter. Gainwell wasn’t. To me this theoretical question is a constant for our team. That’s flat out the within the way it was. Never was or should have been a question about that. Nobody will pay Gainwell like Sanders got paid. Gainwell could have a longer career. Less money as a longer term backup. All that’s already played out really. No questions remain. So if it’s not about philosophically? It’s been answered. Sanders starter. Gainwell coaches pet starter one game incorrectly.

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Siri never did…wasn’t even kind of secretive

Does Siri only have influence when you perceive it as a negative....when it's something positive you feel he has nothing to do with it?

You must understand...this is exactly how you come off with your words.

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Siri never did…wasn’t even kind of secretive

But i will ask....who do you think Hurts prefers as a teammate... Sanders or Gainwell? 

I doubt Hurts has much respect for Sanders...he is soft.  One thing nobody can say about Hurts...is that he is soft!

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I thought Siri had no input?  Which is it?

You haven’t heard me complain about Siri’s interference and bad decisions before? 

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Sanders was the starter. Gainwell wasn’t. To me this theoretical question is a constant for our team. That’s flat out the within the way it was. Never was or should have been a question about that. Nobody will pay Gainwell like Sanders got paid. Gainwell could have a longer career. Less money as a longer term backup. All that’s already played out really. No questions remain. So if it’s not about philosophically? It’s been answered. Sanders starter. Gainwell coaches pet starter one game incorrectly.

So you anticipate Sanders will " start " more games post Eagles than Gainwell?  

I assume you believe Sanders will have more yardage as well?