30 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Ok.... my first chime in on drafts since nothing is going on except a camp body being signed yesterday and Reddick playing chicken with the contract. 

1.  The Oregon OL has been the name I've heard the most...so I don't think it's odd.   They are thin at OL, Lane isn't going to be around forever and nothing is guaranteed at C or RG.

2.   Why draft a QB?  You have your cheap backups here for at least 2 more years.... 3 with McKee.    Pickett was a first round pick that we have for peanuts... no need to go there.

3.  We have Blankenship and CJGJ at S.  Why is it a " position of need"  at thr moment?  

4.  The TE2, I agree with... wouldn't surprise me if he gets drafted in round 2.

5.  No DL at all on your mock?  This is a mock for the Eagles?  Without DL?   What do you think the chances of that are?

In another mock I had Newton-DL at 22 for us,so pick your poison

46 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

3) Competition for Blank-may the best man win with the loser as a still solid BU if one goes down

Didn’t we just invest a 3rd round pick in Sydney Brown at S? I thought he flashed a ton as a rookie especially with how terrible that side of the ball was and the mid season coaching change at DC. 

43 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

2) To keep the QB factory flowing. If they emerge for you,they are trade bait at the worst. Need competition for the 3,no sense just handing out the job. Round 5 is not a terrible place to make an investment. It's not going to kill your draft 3) Competition for Blank-may the best man win with the loser as a still solid BU if one goes down 4) Too high for him. If we pick a TE in round 2 there are better ones there. 5) We only have so many picks and we're very good at snagging UDFA's

Ok... 1.  We traded down from 98 to 120 and gave up 2 late picks for Pickett.  Now you want to invest another pick ( a 3rd one)  for " competition at the #3 QB?"

I've heard you say that you want McKie in there over Hurts because you trust him more in the pocket.  You wanted McKie as the true backup last year over Mariota.   Now you invested multiple assets in Pickett ( who is locked up for at least 2 more years) and we need to invest more because the guy you said was better in the pocket than Hurts and should have been #2 ....now he needs competition to be the #3????  We need to throw more picks there?

2.  Yes we need the younger DL to step up.   We also lose Graham,Sweat and Milton is a free agent next year.   Compare that to having 3 QBs already on the roster...yet QB is a pick but not one DL?

3. Yes picking a better TE is the option I'm talking about.  One injury to Goedert and you see how it how it changed things for the offense.  Now we also lost our blocker in Stoll.   Would say TE 2 is way more priority than " competition for Blank" ... especially from a rookie perspective it seems much easier for a TE than a S to step in.   Plus long term we have Sydney Brown... draft is for long term... the TE absolutely seems more critical at this point when you look long term.

And all honesty...I can't see how you have it possible to take DL at 22, yet not take one later ?   

 

 

On a random side note it is insane that Sam Darnold is only 26 years old and this is how 7th season. Think he turns 27 in June

We have rookies going to be drafted that are 23-24 years old 

Look at the LSU QB he is 23 turns 24 during the season in year 1 Darnold is only 2-3 years older with 6 more years of nfl experience 

13 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

On a random side note it is insane that Sam Darnold is only 26 years old and this is how 7th season. Think he turns 27 in June

We have rookies going to be drafted that are 23-24 years old 

Look at the LSU QB he is 23 turns 24 during the season in year 1 Darnold is only 2-3 years older with 6 more years of nfl experience 

Yeah...turned 21 in June after he was drafted 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10113810-cam-jordan-more-nfl-defenders-rip-proposed-rule-change-to-penalize-hip-drop-tackle

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10113810-cam-jordan-more-nfl-defenders-rip-proposed-rule-change-to-penalize-hip-drop-tackle

More wussieball rule changes. I'm telling you it will be bubble ball by 2029

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Didn’t we just invest a 3rd round pick in Sydney Brown at S? I thought he flashed a ton as a rookie especially with how terrible that side of the ball was and the mid season coaching change at DC. 

Pretty nice talent on the back 7 in this draft,why not get one while you can?

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Pretty nice talent on the back 7 in this draft,why not get one while you can?

Definitely think we should add CB or two that position needs infusion of youth and talent…I wouldn’t say I’d pass on a S if they fell to us but also wouldn’t be a priority for me either.

I really like Blank again though Brown flashed a ton as a rookie then CJ is going to be a starter why we paid him and all are 26 or younger 

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Ok... 1.  We traded down from 98 to 120 and gave up 2 late picks for Pickett.  Now you want to invest another pick ( a 3rd one)  for " competition at the #3 QB?"

I've heard you say that you want McKie in there over Hurts because you trust him more in the pocket.  You wanted McKie as the true backup last year over Mariota.   Now you invested multiple assets in Pickett ( who is locked up for at least 2 more years) and we need to invest more because the guy you said was better in the pocket than Hurts and should have been #2 ....now he needs competition to be the #3????  We need to throw more picks there?

2.  Yes we need the younger DL to step up.   We also lose Graham,Sweat and Milton is a free agent next year.   Compare that to having 3 QBs already on the roster...yet QB is a pick but not one DL?

3. Yes picking a better TE is the option I'm talking about.  One injury to Goedert and you see how it how it changed things for the offense.  Now we also lost our blocker in Stoll.   Would say TE 2 is way more priority than " competition for Blank" ... especially from a rookie perspective it seems much easier for a TE than a S to step in.   Plus long term we have Sydney Brown... draft is for long term... the TE absolutely seems more critical at this point when you look long term.

And all honesty...I can't see how you have it possible to take DL at 22, yet not take one later ?   

 

 

1) Pickett is the 2,where else would the competition be except for #3???? You keep saying :just get me the best players" yet when I lay it out it's not good enough. Like to see you post a mock. A round FIVE QB is something you need to worry about?? I'm not selecting one in round 2 here and he is the LAST round 5 pick. yes I liked what I saw from McKee,but it was so limited there is no real reason to know unless he gets into a real game during the season which is unlikely. Maybe Milton is better and one goes away? Or both work out and we have a trade piece??? But with the last 5 pick it's not worth the risk??? Please post a mock covering all picks not just "I like this guy". I'd like to see it. 2) whatever 3) Why can't we get a TE AND a slot WR? Is there some rule bout that? Again post your mock. Where do you take a D lineman. If you do that's fine but you're giving up talent in the back 7 and this is a great draft for that.A round 5 DL is going to make an impact? No different that a round 5 QB,except that QB's are worth more in a trade if they work out. Tell me where "later" is for your D line pick. How much later? GOod CB,S and LB class here,it's a good time to grab a couple. Find more DL guys in FA if that suits you

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

On a random side note it is insane that Sam Darnold is only 26 years old and this is how 7th season. Think he turns 27 in June

We have rookies going to be drafted that are 23-24 years old 

Look at the LSU QB he is 23 turns 24 during the season in year 1 Darnold is only 2-3 years older with 6 more years of nfl experience 

Reminder-covid put some college players back a year and thats why you are seeing "older" draft picks

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Reminder-covid put some college players back a year and thats why you are seeing "older" draft picks

23-24 is a norm for lot of draft picks not necessarily a bad thing it was more of just how crazy it is Darnold isn’t that much older then some guys going into his 7th season in the NFL 

4 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Definitely think we should add CB or two that position needs infusion of youth and talent…I wouldn’t say I’d pass on a S if they fell to us but also wouldn’t be a priority for me either.

I really like Blank again though Brown flashed a ton as a rookie then CJ is going to be a starter why we paid him and all are 26 or younger 

Slay looked like he is losing a step,he did at the end of the year. Now whether that was part of the collapse or he is getting old remains to be seen. He's not going to last forever and if he is losing a step he may need replaced. Not hoping that happens,but we need to be prepared 

Just now, Bleedinggreen93 said:

23-24 is a norm for lot of draft picks not necessarily a bad thing it was more of just how crazy it is Darnold isn’t that much older then some guys going into his 7th season in the NFL 

Yet no success in the league after all those years of experience.

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yet no success in the league after all those years of experience.

I mean jets and panthers weren’t all that great of teams let’s be honest lol…. Really no excuse for him if he can’t make Minnesota work though with those weapons 

Plus 26 years old that insane Rodgers didn’t even get his first start until he was what 25-26… Baker Mayfield struggled finally seems to have found his footing possibly in TB the weapons hell as well. Geno was a late bloomer had some good years for Seattle even if he wasn’t great. 
 

Never really know what to expect from QBs anymore but have learned not to completely right guys off something might finally click for them lol 

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I mean jets and panthers weren’t all that great of teams let’s be honest lol…. Really no excuse for him if he can’t make Minnesota work though with those weapons 

Agreed,it's showtime for him. Risky by the Vikes,we shall see

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Agreed,it's showtime for him. Risky by the Vikes,we shall see

Really liked the move for the Vikings low risk paid him nothing can still look nice up and draft a guy think I’ve heard McCarthy linked to them. Can let McCarthy sit and learn a year get adjusted to the NFL etc. 

10 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

1) Pickett is the 2,where else would the competition be except for #3???? You keep saying :just get me the best players" yet when I lay it out it's not good enough. Like to see you post a mock. A round FIVE QB is something you need to worry about?? I'm not selecting one in round 2 here and he is the LAST round 5 pick. yes I liked what I saw from McKee,but it was so limited there is no real reason to know unless he gets into a real game during the season which is unlikely. Maybe Milton is better and one goes away? Or both work out and we have a trade piece??? But with the last 5 pick it's not worth the risk??? Please post a mock covering all picks not just "I like this guy". I'd like to see it. 2) whatever 3) Why can't we get a TE AND a slot WR? Is there some rule bout that? Again post your mock. Where do you take a D lineman. If you do that's fine but you're giving up talent in the back 7 and this is a great draft for that.A round 5 DL is going to make an impact? No different that a round 5 QB,except that QB's are worth more in a trade if they work out. Tell me where "later" is for your D line pick. How much later? GOod CB,S and LB class here,it's a good time to grab a couple. Find more DL guys in FA if that suits you

If McKee and Milton both work out,we have our #2 and #3 going forward after the 2 year is up for Pickett. Then there is no need for yet another FA QB,we can spend that pick elsewhere. It's not that risky taking a QB in round 5. We've made worse picks than that

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Really liked the move for the Vikings low risk paid him nothing can still look nice up and draft a guy think I’ve heard McCarthy linked to them. Can let McCarthy sit and learn a year get adjusted to the NFL etc. 

Jets need to move up and get a future one. Nobody knows how long Arod will play. McCarthy would require a huge move up for the Vikes

10 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Slay looked like he is losing a step,he did at the end of the year. Now whether that was part of the collapse or he is getting old remains to be seen. He's not going to last forever and if he is losing a step he may need replaced. Not hoping that happens,but we need to be prepared 

And I’m not fond of Bradberry still hope we move him before the season and we have an opening for slot CB..All season why i would prioritize CBs over S early in the draft. 

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

And I’m not fond of Bradberry still hope we move him before the season and we have an opening for slot CB..All season why i would prioritize CBs over S early in the draft. 

That is a possibility for sure. Would not bother me to take 2,this is a good class for the back 7

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

If McKee and Milton both work out,we have our #2 and #3 going forward after the 2 year is up for Pickett.

Think it would be tough to keep both guys even if we drafted a someone like Milton.

Especially if they played well in PS showed off some talent. Since at best only 1 would make the 53 which would mean we have to sneak one on PS and hope they don’t get poached for two years while we had Pickett 

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

That is a possibility for sure. Would not bother me to take 2,this is a good class for the back 7

Just saying if you take a CB you are giving up something else,but really ANY top picks at the back  are needed. Some position will have to be back burner,choosing which that is is hard to do. Nice WR's in round 4,plenty of those

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Think it would be tough to keep both guys even if we drafted a someone like Milton.

Especially if they played well in PS showed off some talent. Since at best only 1 would make the 53 which would mean we have to sneak one on PS and hope they don’t get poached for two years while we had Pickett 

On the PS you can designate I think a few players that if a team wants to poach them the existing team gets first shot before they can. Of course that would be a decision they would have to make then. The issue is and has always been that Howie wont draft the back 7 high,but he needs to do it