14 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Imagine if he had a passing QB?

Record setting receiving numbers happened without a passing QB? How would that be remotely possible? This record is clear evidence of how far off you are of slandering our QB. Hurts got AJ to the greatest level ever achieved by a WR to a new team in that short period. Such a receiving record couldn’t be accomplished without quality passes coming his way. This on top of Hurts spreading the ball around, not like AJ was the only target.

14 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Signing bonus sets it up where it creates huge " dead money" which costs more to cut a player than keep him... that's the guarantee that a player needs.   

The player doesn't  need guaranteed money when the contract is set up to where it costs the team more to cut him than pay him.  That's how these contracts are written.  The guarantee number is for show in 75% of the cases. 

Guaranteed money is the exact opposite of "for show.” It’s the main number that actually matters.

11 hours ago, EaglesTD123 said:

Yes, like a deep shooter. 

Clearly AJ was the beneficiary of the best QB play he has experienced in his career.

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You don’t think DeVonta’s agent understands how Rosie doesn’t wish to have that fifth year option money all hitting next year’s cap? Things do change if we have to exercise that fifth year option officially.

Lol... how did that work out?

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Wow... so this deadline of May 2nd was meaningless...  the Eagles extension includes the exercising of the 5th year option.  

Some expert on here who likes to think he knows everything ...kept making a big deal out of this May 2nd deadline.   Perhaps at some point now he can realize his knowledge of managing the cap and what actually matters in contracts needs a lot of work. 

Believe this actually goes completely against your point and backs up my viewpoint. Fifth year option was always a very crucial element of the negotiations. No getting around it.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Believe this actually goes completely against your point and backs up my viewpoint. Fifth year option was always a very crucial element of the negotiations. No getting around it.

They exercised the 5th year option. 

Just now, joemas6 said:

They exercised the 5th year option. 

Are you saying they couldn't have done this exact same thing on May 3rd?   After exercising the option?

Just now, joemas6 said:

Are you saying they couldn't have done this exact same thing on May 3rd?   After exercising the option?

This is going to be entertaining because everyone on here would admit they were wrong on this... but it's going to be a challenge.   Just like you would argue today isn't Monday... you will try to find a spin.

But...you said the Eagles wanted to do the extension before having to exercise the 5th year option on May 2.   They exercised the option this morning, and then did the extension.  

The guaranteed money...$51 mil.  Now let's look at reality. 

Signing bonus...   the rest if the contract for 2024 and 2025 ....all 3 eat up a good chunk of the $51 mil.  

They aren't going to cut Smith after 2 years... too much dead cap.  So obviously 2026 money is also in that guarantee.   

Wouldn't surprise me if these 3 seasons plus the signing bonus make up almost all the " guaranteed " number.  

22 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

They exercised the 5th year option. 

Exactly

19 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

This is going to be entertaining because everyone on here would admit they were wrong on this... but it's going to be a challenge.   Just like you would argue today isn't Monday... you will try to find a spin.

But...you said the Eagles wanted to do the extension before having to exercise the 5th year option on May 2.   They exercised the option this morning, and then did the extension.  

I was contending the fifth year option was always a large factor in the negotiations…along with guaranteed money. Seems like I was correct on both fronts…heavily.

The WR market is on the precipice of completely blowing up. So that fifth year option is actually a very great deal for The Slim Reaper. You(No Mas) can’t see this…because it’s heavy on the cap for 2025 instead of overly backloading things. In a rolling cap situation a good deal…is a good deal. Saves us money and was wise. No matter how hard it was for Rosie to choke down. 

I haven’t seen how the contract actually breaks down yet. The fifth year option makes me think the signing bonus couldn’t be massive. Otherwise his cap hit next season would be over 20 mil.

To me, all this is a huge signal towards AJ’s future. He will have to rework his contract or be traded. Team will need to exercise the ‘Out Clause’….if it actually gets that far. Just no way they are going to suck up the end of that backloaded contract otherwise.  It makes an extension extremely difficult. 

24 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I was contending the fifth year option was always a large factor in the negotiations…along with guaranteed money. Seems like I was correct on both fronts…heavily.

So ... why couldn't this exact deal get done after May 2?   As I said, we all know the Eagles weren't going to not exercise the 5th year option and let him walk after this year?

The 5th year option is $15.5 mil... in your mind, what is crucial about this #?  and why May 2nd mattered 

Other than reading a hack article from a clueless media guy and putting it out there early to sound smart?   What was the reason and how would the numbers have changed if this was done after May 2?

14 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

To me, all this is a huge signal towards AJ’s future. He will have to rework his contract or be traded. Team will need to exercise the ‘Out Clause’….if it actually gets that far. Just no way they are going to suck up the end of that backloaded contract otherwise.  It makes an extension extremely difficult. 

To me this is a signal that the Eagles lock up a good young player ... prior to year 4 so that they can spread out the cap hits.  Business as usual. 

Very mundane ...boring stuff that they do...without the soap opera mindset of some of us on here and some in the media also. 

This was purely good business.

 3 year 75 mil. I stated 25 mil annual salary as being a clear target. I was right on with that target.

 

Two WR in the top 5 of receptions over expectations. Not bad from a QB that can’t throw. Must have been somebody else back there getting them both the ball. All these passes completed over expectations and records being broken in the passing game. Clearly signs of a team with a QB struggling heavily to throw the ball.

AJ sets record for most yards with a new team. AJ setting records with most consecutive games receiving this past season. AJ stepping up massively his career receiving numbers.Hurts breaking the all time franchise record scoring. All somehow being spun as a QB that can’t pass the ball.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

 3 year 75 mil. I stated 25 mil annual salary as being a clear target. I was right on with that target.

Yeah... were you correct that the extension starts in 2026?    2 years from now ... the $25 mil has way less value correct?    Smith won't see the last 3 years of that deal... redone before 2027... in a way that puts more money in his pocket and lowers the cap for the Eagles. 

Just now, joemas6 said:

Yeah... were you correct that the extension starts in 2026?    2 years from now ... the $25 mil has way less value correct?    Smith won't see the last 3 years of that deal... redone before 2027... in a way that puts more money in his pocket and lowers the cap for the Eagles. 

I apologize...Smith won't sed the last 2 years of that deal.

YES - we got it done EARLY

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

AJ sets record for most yards with a new team. AJ setting records with most consecutive games receiving this past season. AJ stepping up massively his career receiving numbers.Hurts breaking the all time franchise record scoring. All somehow being spun as a QB that can’t pass the ball.

Yeah....agreed...you can tell the offense is different with AJ and without him.  Curious as to the QBs numbers and the teams score the games AJ missed?

Hmm.....say look at both Tampa playoff games and the last Giants game.   

But let's also look at AJ prior to being an Eagle....he did fairly well....maybe it was that elite QB he had in Tennessee?

Maybe Rich Gannon carried Jerry Rice and Brown for the Raiders that year too....lol

 

5 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

YES - we got it done EARLY

Yes...6 months before the signing bonus wouldn't count toward 2024.