In the highlights they included two three yard runs for us. That’s how bad it was.

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

So probably reality is setting in.....not all 90 players are so great that it's do difficult to make cuts or that we can just trade all those guys who are going to get cut for picks.

Players need time to develop...these particular guys need time to develop into a " possible NFL backup "

The enthusiasm is always a little misplaced after the draft in thinking everyone is so great.

That's why you don't need to trade and get 12 picks every year because chances are it wi OK just lead to more picks who get cut.

I never meant ALL of them JFC. As I said before McCord has an excuse. He's brand new(basically) at the NFL level. T-R needs to go away. Due to those 2 QB's sucking, it's very difficult for any WR or TE(or even RB's to display their pass catching abilities) to shine, when they have sub standard passers on the field. I didn't care that we lost, it's pre season(although the players care). Pre 2 is usually the game where they find out who is on the upswing and who isn't. A chance to stand out from the crowd at your position. That did not happen for us yesterday. It was chaos and mismanagement with very poor QB play. It's QB 3. McCord needs time for us to decide if he has hope or is a waste of resources, which could take years. They played T-R in the hopes he would not display "rookie" play, but he was HORRIBLE and that cost all the receivers their chance to step up and away from others. As evidenced by the 88 yards of offense that was a horrendous display of ineptitude and TBH I wasn't expecting to be outshined by the Browns, especially at the Linc. Those young men were abandoned at the skill positions and now there is little time for decision making. Yes, we have 1 more pre game and I'm sure the staff has a better understanding of who they will keep and I still believe we have alot of players that are better deep depth players than some other teams have and there needs to be concern at the CB position as some of the Cleveland WR's made them look silly. It was certainly a wake up call and the staff better crack the whip. Dillon looked bad too,so from a fan perspective there is no way we know if he is any good or if we allow the youth to play and gain more experience. I believe there will be some serious meetings at Novacare. Whatever "we won the SB" atmosphere was present just flew out the window and we need to get serious as Siri et al were embarrassed at home. Yesterday, from a FAN perspective, the creek was not cleared, it's still full of mud, and the pigs need to be removed. The water is more clouded than ever. A few good spots were around,but they were few and far between. I just have to trust the FO, as a fan it's all I can do, but let's just say my confidence was shaken. I still lie my boy MJ, but I have no proof now as there was no chance to show anything to anyone. Same with the WR's. Just pathetic QB play. I did doze off for 4 minutes(game time lol) so maybe I missed a bright spot or 2,but I dozed off due to lack of being excited as a fan to see possible future players. Just a horrible game

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

That's why you don't need to trade and get 12 picks every year because chances are it wi OK just lead to more picks who get cut.

BTW I did make this point earlier also, I think it was a response to Matt, so I agree with this part. The good news was Makuba and Campbell are both the real deal which matters far mor than round 5 BU's. Still, it was a rather shocking embarrassment

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not so difficult to cut….difficult to feel confident in keeping those last guys on the 53.

Basically the same thing, reworded LOL. After yesterdays debacle who do you cut when some positions did nothing at all? Even Dillon looked like crap. A huddle with NO QB? It gets no more basic than that. I expected more from a SB caliber staff and they fell short

5 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I never meant ALL of them JFC. As I said before McCord has an excuse. He's brand new(basically) at the NFL level. T-R needs to go away. Due to those 2 QB's sucking, it's very difficult for any WR or TE(or even RB's to display their pass catching abilities) to shine, when they have sub standard passers on the field. I didn't care that we lost, it's pre season(although the players care). Pre 2 is usually the game where they find out who is on the upswing and who isn't. A chance to stand out from the crowd at your position. That did not happen for us yesterday. It was chaos and mismanagement with very poor QB play. It's QB 3. McCord needs time for us to decide if he has hope or is a waste of resources, which could take years. They played T-R in the hopes he would not display "rookie" play, but he was HORRIBLE and that cost all the receivers their chance to step up and away from others. As evidenced by the 88 yards of offense that was a horrendous display of ineptitude and TBH I wasn't expecting to be outshined by the Browns, especially at the Linc. Those young men were abandoned at the skill positions and now there is little time for decision making. Yes, we have 1 more pre game and I'm sure the staff has a better understanding of who they will keep and I still believe we have alot of players that are better deep depth players than some other teams have and there needs to be concern at the CB position as some of the Cleveland WR's made them look silly. It was certainly a wake up call and the staff better crack the whip. Dillon looked bad too,so from a fan perspective there is no way we know if he is any good or if we allow the youth to play and gain more experience. I believe there will be some serious meetings at Novacare. Whatever "we won the SB" atmosphere was present just flew out the window and we need to get serious as Siri et al were embarrassed at home. Yesterday, from a FAN perspective, the creek was not cleared, it's still full of mud, and the pigs need to be removed. The water is more clouded than ever. A few good spots were around,but they were few and far between. I just have to trust the FO, as a fan it's all I can do, but let's just say my confidence was shaken. I still lie my boy MJ, but I have no proof now as there was no chance to show anything to anyone. Same with the WR's. Just pathetic QB play. I did doze off for 4 minutes(game time lol) so maybe I missed a bright spot or 2,but I dozed off due to lack of being excited as a fan to see possible future players. Just a horrible game

You place too much emphasis on QB play. Terrible Oline play didn’t assist either QB. Receivers being covered and not creating separation didn’t assist either QB. It’s was a team wide struggle….that you are blaming on the QB. Now…Schwartz is a heck of a SC. Respect. Browns have real quality talent on D. Their top CB locked down Smitty in practice. I’m not looking at that tearing down Smitty…Ward is really freakin’ good. Mailata was getting absolutely owned, by his own admission, by Garrett. Hurts was looking terrible by most reports. Now I take some of that on Hurts…but it’s also making the job so much more difficult because the performance across the entire O…compared to what the Browns are doing well. Give them credit.

It’s not like the Browns didn’t make things difficult when we played last season.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

In the highlights they included two three yard runs for us. That’s how bad it was.

It was pretty lame. I can't really blame McCord. As long as we have McKee, we can give him time to develop. Right now IDK if there is, or is NOT, hope for the others because there was no way to display any talents they have(offense) You guys are better about the defense than I am. I saw some nice plays from some, but overall impressions I will leave to others. For me, the offense looked like a bunch of high schoolers playing for the first time together

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

It’s not like the Browns didn’t make things difficult when we played last season.

Like TB, they have something on us LOL

I want to trade for Myles Garrett.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You place too much emphasis on QB play.

LOL there was nothing done well enough at that position to emphasize, except for the poor play. Alot of QB's have weak lines and still get things done(because they are good QB's) They both looked like deer in headlights, but I can agree a solid O line helps. Still, 88 yards of offense was, well, OFFENSIVE. Good QB's can back off the rush with good play execution, but I agree the O line was so bad the RB's could do nothing either. Our depth(or lack of) was exposed and needs fixed pronto. No way to make logical decisions from what I saw yesterday. Very disturbing

6 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

It was pretty lame. I can't really blame McCord. As long as we have McKee, we can give him time to develop. Right now IDK if there is, or is NOT, hope for the others because there was no way to display any talents they have(offense) You guys are better about the defense than I am. I saw some nice plays from some, but overall impressions I will leave to others. For me, the offense looked like a bunch of high schoolers playing for the first time together

That last line is our biggest concern this season I believe. Can Siri and Patullo alone run our O at a level it needs to be at? First four years the answer was proven…NO.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

That last line is our biggest concern this season I believe. Can Siri and Patullo alone run our O at a level it needs to be at? First four years the answer was proven…NO.

Hopefully fifth year is a charm

17 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Basically the same thing, reworded LOL. After yesterdays debacle who do you cut when some positions did nothing at all? Even Dillon looked like crap. A huddle with NO QB? It gets no more basic than that. I expected more from a SB caliber staff and they fell short

Opposite mindset

Who’s at fault for a huddle with no QB?

10 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Like TB, they have something on us LOL

Matchups are crucial and not to be underestimated. Garrett and Vea are a problem for us. Start right there.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That last line is our biggest concern this season I believe. Can Siri and Patullo alone run our O at a level it needs to be at? First four years the answer was proven…NO.

We're SB champs???? The play calls were(as you said) vanilla and they would be no matter who was at the helm. Now I have no idea how good Dillon can be here, let alone Powell or MJ. I feel ASMith had a little redemption as he played as well as he could with the crap QB play

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

We're SB champs???? The play calls were(as you said) vanilla and they would be no matter who was at the helm. Now I have no idea how good Dillon can be here, let alone Powell or MJ. I feel ASMith had a little redemption as he played as well as he could with the crap QB play

Redemption equaling two catches for 19 yards being the issue with that

Dillon looks just fine to me. Good addition. Our RB room with Saquan, Shipley and Dillon is fantastic!

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Who’s at fault for a huddle with no QB?

Apparently one of the QB's. I heard they were told to alternate every 2 series, so one of them got confused, but there again you don't put that on the QB's to count, they should be concentrating on other things. But you have to wonder, if they can't count to 2,if you can trust them to lead your offense.

9 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LOL there was nothing done well enough at that position to emphasize, except for the poor play. Alot of QB's have weak lines and still get things done(because they are good QB's) They both looked like deer in headlights, but I can agree a solid O line helps. Still, 88 yards of offense was, well, OFFENSIVE. Good QB's can back off the rush with good play execution, but I agree the O line was so bad the RB's could do nothing either. Our depth(or lack of) was exposed and needs fixed pronto. No way to make logical decisions from what I saw yesterday. Very disturbing

I’d just add in the receivers not creating separation. If the Oline can’t block AND the receivers can’t get open…what QB is finding any success in that situation?

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I’d just add in the receivers not creating separation. If the Oline can’t block AND the receivers can’t get open…what QB is finding any success in that situation?

Now…doesn’t mean you throw that abysmal pick six McCord threw. I mean no idea what he was thinking when he chucked that towards nowhere. FEAR

https://bleacherreport.com/game/cleveland-browns-vs-philadelphia-eagles-2025-8-16-12-00

RUSHING	ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	LONG	FL	FAN
M. JohnsonRB	6	20	3.3	0	6	0	2.0
K. RobinsonRB	6	9	1.5	0	8	0	1.5
A. DillonRB	3	7	2.3	0	4	0	-0.7
K. McCordQB	1	2	2.0	0	2	0	6.1
S. PowellRB	3	-5	-1.7	0	2	0	-0.3

= 22 yards on the ground with 66 air yards(LOL but not funny)

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Now…doesn’t mean you throw that abysmal pick six McCord threw. I mean no idea what he was thinking when he chucked that towards nowhere. FEAR

Although the score wasn't a blow out, the stats show they did whatever they wanted to do with us and we had no answers