Just now, joemas6 said:

So which teams do you think will give the Eagles competition this year? IDK how you speak with all this knowledge about players clearing waivers and all these possible trades without knowing the league? Knowing the league absolutely matters when speaking on the Eagles and how they will function within it and with all the other teams

They are the nuts and bolts of the process. Things that apply to all the teams unilaterally. And they affect directly the Eagles. Most everything in business can be reduced to numbers. Tom Brady being suspended is very hard to quantify as it relates to the Eagles. How many Super Bowls Joe Montana has won is irrelevant to the Eagles.

Just now, mattwill said:

They are the nuts and bolts of the process. Things that apply to all the teams unilaterally. And they affect directly the Eagles. Most everything in business can be reduced to numbers. Tom Brady being suspended is very hard to quantify as it relates to the Eagles. How many Super Bowls Joe Montana has won is irrelevant to the Eagles.

Joe Banner had that same idea about just business..... that's why he didn't win anything. Why he didn't comprehend you pay Dawkins the extra million and don't pay Stacey Andrews all those multiple millions.

Everything is relevant to the Eagles that happens in the NFL. That's how you can compare and understand how to be successful

Really any good business person understands that. Nobody exists on a island

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Or without knowing what's going on with it's best teams?

How can you make a judgment on players and what will happen without the comparison from around the league?

I make judgments about the Eagles players. I rarely make judgments about non-Eagles players. I definitely don’t make judgments about players (like Montsna) whom I don’t know sufficient information to make an informed judgment.

2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

They are the nuts and bolts of the process. Things that apply to all the teams unilaterally. And they affect directly the Eagles. Most everything in business can be reduced to numbers. Tom Brady being suspended is very hard to quantify as it relates to the Eagles. How many Super Bowls Joe Montana has won is irrelevant to the Eagles.

Jeffrey Lurie is absolutely successful.... after seeking how to understand how successful franchises are run. That year that Chip took over and Howie was out and about spending time with these other franchises... absolutely helped. As did firing Banner who thought he was running a clothing store.

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

I make judgments about the Eagles players. I rarely make judgments about non-Eagles players. I definitely don’t make judgments about players (like Montsna) whom I don’t know sufficient information to make an informed judgment.

How can you make judgment on an Eagles player if you don't have players from other organizations to compare them???

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Joe Banner had that same idea about just business..... that's why he didn't win anything. Why he didn't comprehend you pay Dawkins the extra million and don't pay Stacey Andrews all those multiple millions.

Everything is relevant to the Eagles that happens in the NFL. That's how you can compare and understand how to be successful

Really any good business person understands that. Nobody exists on a island

True, but actions that get a person suspended are hardly actions that you want to emulate. Success happens due to focus and discipline. Spending time worrying about the actions of others dilutes focus and interrupts discipline. Put together a plan and then execute that plan. Hire people who are better than you are at their tasks and then empower them to do great things. Be proactive, not reactive. Following the crowd is reactive.

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

How can you make judgment on an Eagles player if you don't have players from other organizations to compare them???

What other players are doing in other organizations is out of the control of the Eagles. What is in the team”s and coaches’ control is their own game plan executed by their own players. Fangio and Stoutland don’t spend time thinking about non-Eagles players. They focus on maximizing the efficiency and effectiveness of their own players.

9 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Jeffrey Lurie is absolutely successful.... after seeking how to understand how successful franchises are run. That year that Chip took over and Howie was out and about spending time with these other franchises... absolutely helped. As did firing Banner who thought he was running a clothing store.

What did Lurie learn from Tom Brady’s suspension? Or from Joe Montana’s Super Bowl wins?

4 minutes ago, mattwill said:

True, but actions that get a person suspended are hardly actions that you want to emulate. Success happens due to focus and discipline. Spending time worrying about the actions of others dilutes focus and interrupts discipline. Put together a plan and then execute that plan. Hire people who are better than you are at their tasks and then empower them to do great things. Be proactive, not reactive. Following the crowd is reactive.

A good business person looks at everything. The positive and the negative..... this way you can try to copy positive and avoid negative.

Any industry .... the successful person on top, studies their own business as well as the others ...that's how they know what to do in order to be successful.

10 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Jeffrey Lurie is absolutely successful.... after seeking how to understand how successful franchises are run. That year that Chip took over and Howie was out and about spending time with these other franchises... absolutely helped. As did firing Banner who thought he was running a clothing store.

Banner was an innovator. The game has been permanently changed by things that he was the first to do.

Just now, mattwill said:

What did Lurie learn from Tom Brady’s suspension? Or from Joe Montana’s Super Bowl wins?

Lurie is all about the QB being face of the franchise. You can absolutely believe that Lurie learns more than we even can comprehend. They analize all kinds of data from the past and the present. Anticipating future rules... everything.

Just now, mattwill said:

Banner was an innovator. The game has been permanently changed by things that he was the first to do.

Banner won nothing..... nobody follows anything he ever did.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

A good business person looks at everything. The positive and the negative..... this way you can try to copy positive and avoid negative.

Any industry .... the successful person on top, studies their own business as well as the others ...that's how they know what to do in order to be successful.

You and I will have to agree to disagree. I doubt Steve Jobs spent much time studying others, or Bill Gates, or Larry Ellison, or Jack Welch, or John as Rockefeller, or Thomas Edison. They were too busy proactively pursuing their vision . They didn’t have time to waste thinking about other people’s successes and failures. They were consumed with doing their own thing. That is the entrepreneurial spirit in action.

6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Banner won nothing..... nobody follows anything he ever did.

Everything that Howie Roseman does builds on the innovations that Banner brought to the art and science of General Managing. All NFL GMs owe a debt of gratitude to Banner. He took thir profession to places it had never been before.

6 minutes ago, mattwill said:

You and I will have to agree to disagree. I doubt Steve Jobs spent much time studying others, or Bill Gates, or Larry Ellison, or Jack Welch, or John as Rockefeller, or Thomas Edison. They were too busy proactively pursuing their vision . They didn’t have time to waste thinking about other people’s successes and failures. They were consumed with doing their own thing. That is the entrepreneurial spirit in action.

Again though.... these people you are talking about here are more of inventors, pioneers.... they had something to offer other than business. That's not what a " business" CEO or CFO is per se...

Very different than being in an industry such as the NFL ... a controlled 32 organization environment. Lurie isn't a Steve Jobs or Edison inventing something new here.

This is where your mind needs to stop wandering here... yes there is a business element to football... taking it to these particular guys, way to much of a stretch.

11 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Lurie is all about the QB being face of the franchise. You can absolutely believe that Lurie learns more than we even can comprehend. They analize all kinds of data from the past and the present. Anticipating future rules... everything.

Was Brady any less the face of the Patriots franchise after he was suspended rather than before he was suspended?

I suspect that Lurie himself doesn’t do data analysis. He clearly hires people who are better than he is at what they do, and then empowers them to do great things.

Just now, joemas6 said:

Again though.... these people you are talking about here are more of inventors, pioneers.... they had something to offer other than business. That's not what a " business" CEO or CFO is per se...

Very different than being in an industry such as the NFL ... a controlled 32 organization environment. Lurie isn't a Steve Jobs or Edison inventing something new here.

This is where your mind needs to stop wandering here... yes there is a business element to football... taking it to these particular guys, way to much of a stretch.

Who is the most successful person in the nFL, and why is he so successful?

6 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Everything that Howie Roseman does builds on the innovations that Banner brought to the art and science of General Managing. All NFL GMs owe a debt of gratitude to Banner. He took thir profession to places it had never been before.

Joe Banner has no art or science to anything. He was a penny pincher and a guy who had no clue how to work with people. No idea of team sports culture.

" I wish I could have talked to Brian before he went to Denver, not that I would have offered him more, but just so that he understood where I was coming from" That was it for Lurie. The moment he let go of the ideas of Banner ...and realized football isn't a clothing store.

2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Who is the most successful person in the nFL, and why is he so successful?

Depends what you measure success as?

As a fan of the Eagles... what would you like to see? What is your success?

7 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Was Brady any less the face of the Patriots franchise after he was suspended rather than before he was suspended?

I suspect that Lurie himself doesn’t do data analysis. He clearly hires people who are better than he is at what they do, and then empowers them to do great things.

Yes, the business man Lurie... not the guy who invented electricity or Microsoft office... the guy who runs the ship and looks at all the analysis etc. That guy, has done well.

Brady was the face of the franchise while he was playing in games. Before and after the suspension... not during the suspension nor during the time he was injured.

23 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Depends what you measure success as?

As a fan of the Eagles... what would you like to see? What is your success?

The answer is very simple, and unequivocal, Jerry Jones. There is no "depends"about it. And he is the most successful because he has always been a step (or two) ahead of anyone else.

9 hours ago, mattwill said:

There are three CBs … two boundary and one nickel. Q and Coop only cover two of those. The third CB is definitely on the list.

Yup and I don’t see it high on the list still we will likely just plug in play the last spot Ringo, raiders DB, vet like adoree, late round guy etc.

I don’t see us spending high on another DB so agree to disagree on this one

9 hours ago, mattwill said:

Steen is in Year 3 of a 4 year contract. Having a succession plan for the expiration of his rookie contract is prudent, proactive planning. So RG is definitely on the list

Or you look to extend Steen there is a realm where Steen is just a good OL that doesn’t break the bank…. Not every OL needs to be all pro. I’d say getting a RT replacement for Lane is way higher on the priority list than drafting a RG.

This one is more likely then a DB getting drafted high just because we value the lines but still see a G as unlikely in the next year or two

7 hours ago, mattwill said:

Q was unproven. DeJean was unproven. Baun was unproven. Becton was unproven.

Some succeed, some don't. Can't really make a blanket statement that they all succeed. McWilliams is not a round 1 talent

7 hours ago, mattwill said:

And given Ham’s well established credibility issues with his posts having no citation references, why do you give any credence to "According to Ham …”. All it is is one man’s opinion.

Did you miss the laughing faces?