1 hour ago, mattwill said:

DeJean was Round 2. Baun was Round 3 and had four undistinguished NFL years. So not being from Round 1 isn’t "blanketable” either. All of that uncertainty is a huge part of the interest/fun of the NFL. We simply need to ride the roller coaster … and enjoy it.

DeJean was a round 1 talent that fell due to the injury he had. Bauns career was resurrected by us. McWilliam is nowhere near the talent we expect as of now. Can he get there? Sure. He was a round 5 pick which is usually a "devlopmental" player not really a guy you expect to start year 1. As we see ASmith is now "getting it" and we invest the time. But ASmith has not started yet either and I don't suspect McWilliams will unless he is our last resort

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

Agreed. How would you feel if McCord is the one who is cut?

I would feel badly, but it's not my call. It's QB 3,so QB3 should be the one with the higher ceiling not the higher floor. T-R did nothing in Cleveland for them to keep him(and they are still a QB needy team). Maybe we can mold him IDK. McCord has no NFL experience. IMO if they play to a draw, I take McCord because the guy with NFL experience should have NP winning the competition game. if they appear equal, to me that means McCord has the greater potential and I cut T-R or put him on the PS. It's QB3,so really not that important at this point. It's like arguing over who is TE4,does it really matter?

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

Whether or not a person is a good people person can’t be quantified/measured, and even more importantly it can’t be deposited in the bank, which is the bottom-line measurement of the success of a business/businessman. Jerry has deposited more money in his bank accounts than any other owner, and it isn’t even close. And as crazy as his actions are, he understands how to entertain his audiences and keep them filling his coffers.

I will heartily disagree. You can't put character or team culture in the bank, but if you don't have them your team is bankrupt on the field and in the locker room. Sports is not about money in the bank, there are cap limits for every team. Dullaz has money in the bank but the team is culturally bankrupt. The SB is not about by how much money they have in the bank. it's not a check book balance contest

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

Whether or not a person is a good people person can’t be quantified/measured, and even more importantly it can’t be deposited in the bank, which is the bottom-line measurement of the success of a business/businessman. Jerry has deposited more money in his bank accounts than any other owner, and it isn’t even close. And as crazy as his actions are, he understands how to entertain his audiences and keep them filling his coffers.

Would you rather have the biggest bank balance or hoist the Lombardi?

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

Whether or not a person is a good people person can’t be quantified/measured, and even more importantly it can’t be deposited in the bank, which is the bottom-line measurement of the success of a business/businessman. Jerry has deposited more money in his bank accounts than any other owner, and it isn’t even close. And as crazy as his actions are, he understands how to entertain his audiences and keep them filling his coffers.

Jerry has lots of money. He tries to "BUY" SB's. That is a poor business model in football. The players don't play together as a team, We tried that model once and also failed. Lurie learned, Jerry has not learned. Dullaz has some player issues almost annually and while that brings in free advertising(press coverage), it does nothing to improve the team as disgruntled players hold Jerry hostage because they know he has the money.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/3917657/zack-baun Look at the stat lines, not what round he was drafted in. Look at the magic of Fangio and what a great culture brings to the game. We saw what the Saints didn't. Identifying "fits" is what Howie et al are excellent at. If you think being a "people person" is irrelevant perhaps you need to incorporate that into what makes a successful sports team. In football would you rather have 500 million in the bank, or hoist the Lombardi? Howie missed on Huff(who at the time was an up and comer) but he didn't "fit". Howie is not perfect, but he fixes his mistakes as fast as possible and now FA's are begging to come play for us. Why would that be? It's not how much money Lurie has in the bank you know?

1 hour ago, Crazy Legs said:

Just think how different the Eagles and Cowboys would be if they traded OWNERSHIPS!

BITE YOUR TONGUE!!!

2 hours ago, mattwill said:

Agreed. How would you feel if McCord is the one who is cut?

I would feel he is the 4th best so they cut him as I would expect them to do.

2 hours ago, mattwill said:

Whether or not a person is a good people person can’t be quantified/measured, and even more importantly it can’t be deposited in the bank, which is the bottom-line measurement of the success of a business/businessman. Jerry has deposited more money in his bank accounts than any other owner, and it isn’t even close. And as crazy as his actions are, he understands how to entertain his audiences and keep them filling his coffers.

Yep... all business and no football... there it is

2 hours ago, mattwill said:

That is what all businesses are about.

Not what football is about

2 hours ago, mattwill said:

The difference is that our smartest guy in the room isn’t breaking any new ground that has never been trod before the way Banner did. Almost all the current NFL GMs are benefiting from Banner’s innovations. He gave the NFL gifts that keep on giving. The mark of a true innovator.

What innovations... you keep saying innovations... what are they. Give us specifics.

1 hour ago, Crazy Legs said:

Just think how different the Eagles and Cowboys would be if they traded OWNERSHIPS!

Then Matt would think Lurie would be the most successful person in the NFL because he would own the most valuable organization.

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Speculation on the draft is half the fun of the draft…. The FO has done a great job of late not forcing needs in the draft but that is also a far cry from the original question of which positions the FO would like to target in the next couple seasons which is what I have picked in my 5 positions.

And again just because I listed my 5 isn’t me saying we are doing to reach on a OT over a CB we have graded way higher…. But if we have one of the 5 positions I listed v any of the others graded similar I believe we lean my 5

I agree it could be anything... I didn't think LB would be a " target" did you? But boy was Campbell a target for the Eagles.... for a few hours as it turns out during the draft, constantly trying to trade up for him.

Speculation is great ... I hope they keep doing their thing and not focus on position as much as the player. I think with all the positions you all mention, they are all covered.... your 5 and everyone else's targets.... so with that I expect the best player to dictate what position they select.

I also do not think free agency and trades for players are out of the question either... not everything has to be a draft pick ...certainly not a high draft pick

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Basically.... the difference between Banner and Howie... Banner refused to admit any mistakes or different ways to look at things.... Howie we can see change philosophy and correct mistakes. The smartest guy in the room is often the guy who understands he doesn't know everything. Huge obstacle for guys like Joe Banner. WE have a guy on here that's very similar.

The difference between Banner and Howie is that Banner was a trailblazer while Howie is a trail boss.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

The value is the blue star,the cheerleader "dynasty" and the free advertising due to team/cap mismanagement, they haven't won squat since 1996(back when I was 40 years old and still a young man with HOPE lol)

Agree... Jones is along for the ride.... the Cowboys will always be the most valuable franchise. If the owners were switched it would have been Lurie instead of Jones owning the most valuable franchise. Jones didn't innovate or get ahead of anyone.

Neither did Banner. If either were " innovators" it would be easy to articulate why.

2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

The difference between Banner and Howie is that Banner was a trailblazer while Howie is a trail boss.

What did Banner trail blaze? You keep mentioning this without saying anything... lets here all the things Banner brought to the league? ???

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

The value is the blue star,the cheerleader "dynasty" and the free advertising due to team/cap mismanagement, they haven't won squat since 1996(back when I was 40 years old and still a young man with HOPE lol)

The value is the value. Because none of that financial value goes into our personal bank accounts, we really don’t care about the business value. All we care about is the entertainment value, and as long as we continue to be entertained the deposits will keep rolling in for Jerry.

What specific element did Joe Banner bring? Not the first one to use a signing bonus. Not the first one to backload contracts. While he did piss off a lot of players, he wasn't the first to do that. He wasn't even the first to sound like a complete obnoxious cheap ass either. Although he was great at it.

Perhaps one who doesn't follow the league isn't one who can talk on what Joe Banner innovated???? You have to know the league in order to understand if someone was a trail blazer.

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

The value is the value. Because none of that financial value goes into our personal bank accounts, we really don’t care about the business value. All we care about is the entertainment value, and as long as we continue to be entertained the deposits will keep rolling in for Jerry.

Yes Jerry is the benefactor of the league for sure... definitely doesn't make him the most successful.... just the guy who bought the team back then. The next owner of the Cowboys will also then be considered the most successful guy in the league... if that's all that matters?

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Well let's back up a little bit. Howie was a "biz guy" with an ego. It was easy for me to spot the moment he changed and made the decision to learn about the game and be a "football guy". It was the blown call on Reagor when JJ was there for the taking and we saw the Vikes war room explode in happiness, yells and high 5's even before they hit the podium, because they were handed JJ on a platter. I think that national embarrassment woke him up when he "took time off" to learn and be a student of the draft game. I will admit along with 99% of other fans the Hurts pick was a head scratcher, but we see how that turned out and also how the cost of Wentz played out when he went down. TG Foles carried us to the first SB. IDK that Howie would spend all that draft capital on another QB. Since then we have taken late picks or UDFA QB's and made them viable(QB factory). Howie is impressive because he took the time to understand what the scouts looked for and what they were telling him. Now we got Fangio who Howie also listens to and we have the top D in the league because Howie set his ego aside and put the work in and for the first time trusted Fangio enough to draft BTB(back to back) DB's which was a historic first. Ever since the blown Reagor call we have seen stellar drafts. It's very hard to put your ego away, swallow the bullet, but we've seen the pay off. So has Howie with the "best GM" titles. Howie "found" AJ, Howie "found" Barkley, so besides adding to his expertise drafting he also finds "disgruntled" players and finds ways to bring them in. Just really an amazing job. Schwartz was always asked to make due with some not so hot/ second tier players. We changed all that and look at us go now. Just massive kudos I have to give to Howie. His ego remains in check, he doesn't gloat, he merely put together the best overall Eagles team I have seen in my lifetime. AR was always around .500 here. getting Siri in and using the biz CEO HC(see people person) approach has really paid off.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

DeJean was a round 1 talent that fell due to the injury he had. Bauns career was resurrected by us. McWilliam is nowhere near the talent we expect as of now. Can he get there? Sure. He was a round 5 pick which is usually a "devlopmental" player not really a guy you expect to start year 1. As we see ASmith is now "getting it" and we invest the time. But ASmith has not started yet either and I don't suspect McWilliams will unless he is our last resort

Time will tell.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I would feel badly, but it's not my call. It's QB 3,so QB3 should be the one with the higher ceiling not the higher floor. T-R did nothing in Cleveland for them to keep him(and they are still a QB needy team). Maybe we can mold him IDK. McCord has no NFL experience. IMO if they play to a draw, I take McCord because the guy with NFL experience should have NP winning the competition game. if they appear equal, to me that means McCord has the greater potential and I cut T-R or put him on the PS. It's QB3,so really not that important at this point. It's like arguing over who is TE4,does it really matter?

You are conveniently ignoring the fact that Howie traded for DT-R for a reason. We aren’t privileged enough to know the reason, and Howie may be ready to cut bait on that reason, but it doesn’t change the fact that none of the four QBs in camp at camp bodies, which is a new situation this year when compared to prior years.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I will heartily disagree. You can't put character or team culture in the bank, but if you don't have them your team is bankrupt on the field and in the locker room. Sports is not about money in the bank, there are cap limits for every team. Dullaz has money in the bank but the team is culturally bankrupt. The SB is not about by how much money they have in the bank. it's not a check book balance contest

From a business/ownership perspective whether or not the team is bankrupt on the field is often irrelevant. John D Rockefeller ran Standard Oil in an absolutely culturally bankrupt fashion, and became the richest man in the world. Elon Musk isn’t a morally/culturally bankrupt as Rockefeller, but he is in the same league, and how has that worked out for him.

You are looking at success subjectively rather than objectively. You are also assigning value to something that is fleeting/etherial. You can’t pay your bills with it.

You are also describing indirect success rather than direct success. We as fans experience the results on the field indirectly. Lurie’s ability to come up with the cash Howie needs is also something we only experience indirectly. The NFL continues to exist because the owners make money.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Would you rather have the biggest bank balance or hoist the Lombardi?

In our capitalistic society the vast majority of people want money in the bank more than they want an additional orgasm.