22 hours ago, mattwill said:

I’ve never been down on him. And I trust Stoutland explicitly.

23 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Just saying Toth is not as bad a player as we thought he might be. He did very well at a tough position

I have to give full credit to Toth. I’ve been very down on him as not good enough. I love a quality character guy that will do whatever and work hard…that’s coachable. Testament to him about all that and our coaches that got him so far.

Weren’t we just have a discussion about the talent of players supposedly trumping everything else? But you have Toth just being a hard worker that great coaching developed into servicabie.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We should have some better C option though in my mind. It forced our O to rely on being under C so much more.

That worked out pretty well, didn't it?

Ham may want to think twice about his under C assessment … an take in this info from IgglesBlitz.com regarding snaps under center vs. in the shotgun, Jordan Mailata, has been lobbying for this version of the run game for a while now (more under-center, please!), and couldn’t have been happier with the results.

"Yeah, 100 percent,” he said after the Giants game regarding the change in attitude of the offense when Johnson is on the field. "But sometimes, also, you have to be smart because now you know there are plays where we can throw it with Fred in. So you can’t be as physical.

"You’ve got to be a little bit more patient with your hands and sit back a little bit, because you know it’s a play-action. And especially in that second half, you kind of have to, I don’t want to say passive, but you just have to be more smart and more patient with your hands because if you know it’s a pass, you don’t need to go kill somebody. You don’t need to be all-out run attack because we’re now trying to see if they’re blitzing people because they’ve got to make adjustments too.

"And I think we did a great job of that.”

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Well he won't get the big money then(per Ham)

Fangio confirming it never was his idea to get DeJean reps outside all along.

McCreary to the Rams…so we probably just drove up the price some on him potentially

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I see it as a strong testament of what a quality coach can get done.

We're all SICK SICK SICK of your "quality coach" BULLSHEET. Just STOP IT. It's disgusting and degrading MY TEAM. Go troll the KC boards where your hero AR is and I will continue to root for Siri and my Eagles while we all understand your boy's DROP helped cost us our first SB. Did we change coaches in the last 2 weeks?

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Toth been a complete disaster for three straight TC trying to learn how to play C. Guy is a hard worker…will do whatever coaches ask of him. So I see why it’s fairly easy for coaches to place some trust in him.

TC, Ham loves his July Heroes LMFAO

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Fangio confirming it never was his idea to get DeJean reps outside all along.

Which we all said except for YOU LOL.

36 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

McCreary to the Rams…so we probably just drove up the price some on him potentially

How did the Eagles drive the price?

3 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

That worked out pretty well, didn't it?

The Eagles are very patient. Moreso than I am. I remember a few years ago I was wondering why they kept a player around who didn't even know the game. That guy was Mailata LOL(scraping egg off face)

From Bob Brookover on NJ.com

Cornerback is definitely the biggest need, but even Kelee Ringo is coming off his best performance of the season after returning to the starting lineup in place of the injured Adoree’ Jackson. According to PFF, Ringo was targeted three times by the Giants’ Jaxson Dart and he did not allow a reception. Ringo’s 78.9 PFF grade for the week was the best among the team’s defensive players.

30 minutes ago, mattwill said:

From Bob Brookover on NJ.com

Cornerback is definitely the biggest need, but even Kelee Ringo is coming off his best performance of the season after returning to the starting lineup in place of the injured Adoree’ Jackson. According to PFF, Ringo was targeted three times by the Giants’ Jaxson Dart and he did not allow a reception. Ringo’s 78.9 PFF grade for the week was the best among the team’s defensive players.

IDK our CB2's can shine at times, then give up big plays. We need consistency. It's hard to get as the various #2 receivers all present different challenges. They can stick to 1 guy like glue, then get beat by a tall possession WR. It's the same for all teams. Very difficult to find guys that can "do it all" Q is one of those

https://saintswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/saints/2025/10/22/saints-trade-rumors-espn-alontae-taylor-bills-cowboys-news/86833341007/ I still like this guy as the clock ticks. SInce we aren't paying big money to Q or DeJean he would be a guy we'd need to pay. With ties to the Eagles, could make a deal with Moore's insistence. I don't see Olave going anywhere and we aren't using Metchie, so it would seem to me some deal for him and a pick for Taylor, but IDK if Howie wants to "max out the card" or just get one in the next draft

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/eagles-news-nfl-trade-deadline-suggestions-have-philadelphia-landing-cornerback-help/ar-AA1PkWdX?ocid=winp2fptaskbarhover&cvid=fb61a9b781c8401dc1472063a0f02a1b&ei=11

14 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Toth been a complete disaster for three straight TC trying to learn how to play C. Guy is a hard worker…will do whatever coaches ask of him. So I see why it’s fairly easy for coaches to place some trust in him.

You don't live local...but you know everything that goes on in camp?

14 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We should have some better C option though in my mind. It forced our O to rely on being under C so much more.

What backup C would you say would have played better on Sunday vs the Giants?

14 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Weren’t we just have a discussion about the talent of players supposedly trumping everything else? But you have Toth just being a hard worker that great coaching developed into servicabie.

bUt hE cAn'T sNaP.... isn't that a talent thing?

12 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Fangio confirming it never was his idea to get DeJean reps outside all along.

Define " reps" when i hear " reps" i associate that with practice. Snaps would be game action. Idk what would be wrong with getting practice reps? We saw he has gotten some snaps outside when they go to 2 CBs....which is didn't get from Fangio at all that he wants DeJean off the field when they go 2 CBs???

14 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Weren’t we just have a discussion about the talent of players supposedly trumping everything else? But you have Toth just being a hard worker that great coaching developed into servicabie.

yes, credit goes to stoutland & siri for doing that.

20 hours ago, mattwill said:

I think the quote below is pretty accurate.

Dickerson and Cam weren’t playing well at all, agreed there. But also it was coaching with very predictable runs.

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

bUt hE cAn'T sNaP.... isn't that a talent thing?

What they did was change to more under C because Toth is shaky on shotgun snapping. Which actually is what our team needed to do. So it was a blessing in disguise thing. The adjustment for our backup C was actually the adjustment our O needed all the way around. Makes our coaches look smart anyway….lets just hope they actually registered this.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Dickerson and Cam weren’t playing well at all, agreed there. But also it was coaching with very predictable runs.

do you think there's any chance the playcalling was altered because of oline issues?

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Define " reps" when i hear " reps" i associate that with practice. Snaps would be game action. Idk what would be wrong with getting practice reps? We saw he has gotten some snaps outside when they go to 2 CBs....which is didn't get from Fangio at all that he wants DeJean off the field when they go 2 CBs???

It’s all spelling out so obviously the ‘Push Pull’ between DeJean personal needs and Fangio D needs.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

What they did was change to more under C because Toth is shaky on shotgun snapping. Which actually is what our team needed to do. So it was a blessing in disguise thing. The adjustment for our backup C was actually the adjustment our O needed all the way around. Makes our coaches look smart anyway….lets just hope they actually registered this.

hurts was the biggest roadblock with playing under center. hopefully it registers with him that its a good thing.