2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You’re disregarding BPA altogether. That’s a different viewpoint from me. I’d love any guy top five on my board. That price I don’t see as steep at all for any of those I listed.

Why the #5? 

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

No obsession with top five from me. Just would think it would speak for itself. Anybody in your top five overall ranking of the draft…is a beast! Checks all your boxes.

Every year?  I disagree... I think it varies every year for sure.  Which for me..  at the stage I feel the Eagles are at...which is a need for a lot of youth .   If my top 5 is really a top 8 or 9... I can't sacrifice the extra picks to go to 9 if I can get the player I feel on the same level at 14.

See you are putting them all in the same category....I'm hoping the Eagles aren't.   I want them to have a specific target. A plan.  Where you would trade a huge package for all of them,  I want them to have an order... where they don't look at them all the same.

So looking toward the future...which I feel the draft is for... so many holes after this year.

CB we might need 2 of them

LB we may need 2

DL, losing Milton, Graham and Sweat

OL... solid 4... Lane is getting old...but are we sure after that?   One of our strengths has always been the depth at OL , not just the starters

RB it's just Barkley after this year ( at the moment)

WR depth after our 2 studs

TE we absolutely need a #2 plus Goedert isn't on the books much longer age 30 already. 

Now, I can understand if one has the mentality that we are going to screw up the picks,  so trade up 3 quality picks and a 5th round to get one guy you think is a can't miss. 

But I see too many needs to give up 4 picks right now.  

I also anticipate that we trade picks at some point between June and October to bring in help for this year.  So I don't want to leave the cupboard bare of draft assets. 

5 hours ago, joemas6 said:

What's the obsession with #5?    Don't you think they have different tiers on their board...why do we assume first tier is exactly 5 guys ?   You have 8... say there are 4 QBs drafted....that puts it down to pick 12...say a few other players go first...now you can get that tier at pick 14 or 15...  what's your trade chart say now?   

And not even the trade chart...you might find a team just looking to trade down anyway, might not cost as much.

To give up the picks NOW??? Simply for the number 5???   Bad business.  

Williams at 1 and Bowers at 9 would give the new QB an outlet that is a weapon.m They need O line and they have 2 more picks. But if you are starting over a top QB abd a generational TE go a long way. Add some receivers to help out DJ Moore and a lineman and at least you have a foundation started to build on. If they don't want bowers,then trade the 8 back a little.not alot,still be a nice player at 12-14 and an added pick, Let's see what shakes out after the first 7. I am assuming 4 QB's, Harrison and 2 CB's. Probably an edge or OT would be #8,then the phones will ring for the Bowers pick. I know the Jets would want him at 10 for Arod,but I think they wait and see better offers

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Right....probably bleacher report could come up with another scenario that shows another trade.... but if not,  one will still probably happen. 

I'll give us 5% chance of picking at 22.  Recent trend would be a trade up to 17-20 to grab a specific target.    But I can also see a trade down if they fall in love with the idea of a developmental OT as the play. 

So... find the bleacher report article that finds a slight trade up.... then look a spot or two away from that.

Use the 2's trade one up trade the other back

10 hours ago, joemas6 said:

So looking toward the future...which I feel the draft is for... so many holes after this year.

CB we might need 2 of them

LB we may need 2

DL, losing Milton, Graham and Sweat

OL... solid 4... Lane is getting old...but are we sure after that?   One of our strengths has always been the depth at OL , not just the starters

RB it's just Barkley after this year ( at the moment)

WR depth after our 2 studs

TE we absolutely need a #2 plus Goedert isn't on the books much longer age 30 already. 

Now, I can understand if one has the mentality that we are going to screw up the picks,  so trade up 3 quality picks and a 5th round to get one guy you think is a can't miss. 

But I see too many needs to give up 4 picks right now.  

I also anticipate that we trade picks at some point between June and October to bring in help for this year.  So I don't want to leave the cupboard bare of draft assets. 

I agree,I don't want to move much. Our first 4 picks should either be immediate starters or next years studs taking over for someone. Even if we take a OT/RG there are also quality BU's for those later also. Ainias Smith would be a nice slot guy. Hoping he lasts until 5,but if we really like him then at the 120,but I think that is a reach.Maybe we trade that 120 back a little ,also other good slots at round 5 so if he commands a 120,we'd have the think about it. Some OK TE's in 5 also that need polish and coaching,but have the tools who could contribute later in the year and be full go as TE2 the following year. DeJean can play S or CB,so his versatility is much coveted.Then again this is Howie and Like Ham said I think it will also be the RG of the future.Beebe would be fine and solid as a RG,but maybe Howie wants that OT/G even though Beebe weighs the same as most of them.Beebe cab be had in round 2. I can't just blow off a D linemen like Latu either. I just thought it was interesting that DeJean was the only DB we had in for a visit. That seems telling to me,but would Howie pull that trigger? I hope so,but it would buck history. Ainias Smith was in at WR and the kid from USC,but there are overlooked WR's that would be fine slot guys like Tahj Washington who doesn't get the target count playing with the WR that will be in the top 3. I like guys like that because they are better than they are ranked many times. If we chose not to take DeJean,then later I would look at Jarrian Jones the CB from Florida state. Just so many ways Howie could play this. The board should be tightening up this weekend for the final cut offs. Pity we can't be flies on the wall. Round 1 will be very interesting. We seem to have ALOT of attention on that Mahogany kid so I suspect we grab him on day 3. Round 2 will be the meat of our draft. I can see Howie trading one of those back. In a stacked class more picks matters

Oh well,mahogany moved into late 4 so he is probably out unless we trade back a 2

22.

Cooper DeJeanS Iowa

50.

Ben SinnottTE Kansas State

53.

Christian MahoganyOG Boston College

120.

DeWayne CarterDT Duke

161.

Ainias SmithWR Texas A&M

171.

Mohamed KamaraEDGE Colorado State

172.

Khristian BoydDT Nothern Iowa

210.

Carson SteeleRB UCLA

PFF mock draft sim

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I agree,I don't want to move much. Our first 4 picks should either be immediate starters or next years studs taking over for someone. Even if we take a OT/RG there are also quality BU's for those later also. Ainias Smith would be a nice slot guy. Hoping he lasts until 5,but if we really like him then at the 120,but I think that is a reach.Maybe we trade that 120 back a little also other good slot at round 5 so if he commands a 120,we'd have the think about it. Some OK TE's in 5 also that need polish and coaching,but have the tool who could contribute later in the yer and be full o as TE2 the following year. DeJean can play S or CB,so his versatility is much coveted.Then again this is Howie and Like Ham said I think it will also be the RG of the future.Beebe would be fine and solid as a RG,but maybe Howie wants that OT/G even though Beebe weighs the same as most of them.Beebe cab be had in round 2. I can't just blow off a D linemen like Latu either. I just thought it was interesting that DeJean was the only DB we had in for a visit. That seems telling to me,but would Howie pull that trigger? I hope so,but it would buck history. Ainia Smith was in at WR and the kid from USC,but there are overlooked WR's that would be fine slot guys like Tahj Washington who doesn't get the target count playing with the WR that will be in the top 3. I like guys like that because they are better than they are ranked many times. If we chose not to take DeJean,then later I would look at Jarrian Jones the CB from Florida state. Just so many ways Howie could play this. The board should be tighteneing up this weekend for the final cut offs. Pity we can't be flies on the wall. ROund 1 will be very interesting. We seem to have ALOT of attention on that Mahogany kid so I suspect we grab him on day 3

Idk that any pick starts immediately.   Not even worried about that.  The idea is the long game with your draft picks.  But we have too many needs to be giving away picks.

Plus I still think we trade pick(s) later on for a vet that helps win now.

I know you guys all worship these college playes...  i mean Dax was the difference in the SB instead of CJGJ.  But I think the other way, should be a vet to help.    And i also think they will try... might not work out like Byard...but they will try.  

Next year we only have 6 picks 

Rounds 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 7

Trading the 3 away... really limits us.  If we want another player to help... the difference between round 2 and 5 is significant in the level of player we can get.

Then next year will be extremely difficult to move up to get a target.   

The team has too many needs. 

"You’ll have to start over again,” said a source with firsthand knowledge of the Eagles’ thinking. "Who would replace him? He hasn’t had a good record of developing coaches. They were afraid that he’ll have changed everything and every person, and [then] you’ll be starting from scratch again. He didn’t demand those changes, but they felt like, if we hire him, we have to give everything to him and trust how he does it.”

this is the end of the quote about hiring Bellicheat.

Now the part I’m highlighting is "he didn’t demand those changes” that speaks to they had a full on job interview with Bellicheat for our HC job.

8 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Why the #5? 

What draft hasn’t provided 5 stud players? There is always a dropoff of that top tier elite talent. But top 5 eliminates that posssibility….in any draft ever. Last year I was real clear on grabbing Carter….or we missed out. Kept talking about the Saints trade having to be a top 10 pick. Turned out to be exactly 10. But then once the class shook out…10 still wasn’t quite good enough. The spot was 9.

10 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

"You’ll have to start over again,” said a source with firsthand knowledge of the Eagles’ thinking. "Who would replace him? He hasn’t had a good record of developing coaches. They were afraid that he’ll have changed everything and every person, and [then] you’ll be starting from scratch again. He didn’t demand those changes, but they felt like, if we hire him, we have to give everything to him and trust how he does it.”

this is the end of the quote about hiring Bellicheat.

What "source"? Another Chip Kelly ego. Maybe the source was a disgruntled Chip Kelly. How can you trust anyone now, that leaks meeting info to the media??? Time to clean that house also. They are top floor,brass plaque,closed meetings for a reason. Trust in the information is now gone. Someone needs fired and exposed to the league,so they never work in football again

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Next year we only have 6 picks 

Rounds 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 7

Trading the 3 away... really limits us.  If we want another player to help... the difference between round 2 and 5 is significant in the level of player we can get.

Then next year will be extremely difficult to move up to get a target.   

The team has too many needs. 

With your logic I wouldn’t have brought in Saquan. He’s an All In going for it addition. Top dollar vet RB addition isn’t a move to make for a rebuilder.

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

What "source"? Another Chip Kelly ego. Maybe the source was a disgruntled Chip Kelly. How can you trust anyone now, that leaks meeting info to the media??? Time to clean that house also. They are top floor,brass plaque,closed meetings for a reason. Trust in the information is now gone. Someone needs fired and exposed to the league,so they never work in football again

Rosie admitted he called Bellicheat after his firing. Both insist the Eagles HC job wasn’t ever mentioned in that phone call. It’s very clear him being hired was thoroughly discussed in our building. But that line of "he didn’t demand changes”…that’s a whole other level things got to.

I’m now convinced we interviewed Bellicheat for our HC job while we were holding on to Siri.

We don’t want to stick with Siri…but not enough to upheave everything short term for Bellicheat.

So if we are going all down this rabbit hole I probably reconsider trading up to top ten. Clearly don’t fork over for Barkley. I clear cap.

36 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m now convinced we interviewed Bellicheat for our HC job while we were holding on to Siri.

That was already stated, nothing new here move long

24 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So if we are going all down this rabbit hole I probably reconsider trading up to top ten. Clearly don’t fork over for Barkley. I clear cap.

Great now you want to breach contracts and destroy the players trust too 😆

They looked at Belicheat and decided they didn't want him. This is gargantuan news?? The Eagles org always turns over every rock,so they can make informed decisions. Why do you TMZ every run of the mill piece of "news" from "a source"? Who was the source,the secretary serving coffee???. Teams do tend to scout around when you go 10-1 then lose 6 of your last 7 while on your way to pilfering a SB appearance

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

What draft hasn’t provided 5 stud players? There is always a dropoff of that top tier elite talent. But top 5 eliminates that posssibility….in any draft ever. Last year I was real clear on grabbing Carter….or we missed out. Kept talking about the Saints trade having to be a top 10 pick. Turned out to be exactly 10. But then once the class shook out…10 still wasn’t quite good enough. The spot was 9.

Was it 9?  What if Carter went earlier?

55 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Rosie admitted he called Bellicheat after his firing. Both insist the Eagles HC job wasn’t ever mentioned in that phone call. It’s very clear him being hired was thoroughly discussed in our building. But that line of "he didn’t demand changes”…that’s a whole other level things got to.

He never said he wanted changes. Why are you putting words in Bellicheats mouth? Or repeating words of someone else that put words in his mouth? if he never said them,why is this an issue. They said the FELT like he wanted too much power. Those words were never spoken it was a gut feeling. Can we move on now? What does coaching fires and hires have to do with backing out of contracts and not trading up for the best draft players? Inquiring minds want to know!!!!!