8 hours ago, joemas6 said:

How is this " late in the process" ?

Months late from my eyes

4 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

the offense was in quicksand to begin the 2024 season. after a 2-2 start and 7 turnovers by the qb, it was apparent that moore needed to dumb his offense down for the qb and take the ball out of his hands.

now i will admit that jalen willed the team to victory, no doubt every time he handed the ball off to barkley and watched him break off a big run.

The O was in quicksand every moment we relied the most on Siri

4 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

the offense was in quicksand to begin the 2024 season. after a 2-2 start and 7 turnovers by the qb, it was apparent that moore needed to dumb his offense down for the qb and take the ball out of his hands.

now i will admit that jalen willed the team to victory, no doubt every time he handed the ball off to barkley and watched him break off a big run.

Of course changing to a completely different scheme Hurts had zero experience in previously took time. You completely blowing by the main actual factors. Hurts was taking on so many more responsibilities. His first year calling the blocking assignments. Moore bringing in an actual scheme came with all O players reading the D and adjusting accordingly each play.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Of course changing to a completely different scheme Hurts had zero experience in previously took time. You completely blowing by the main actual factors. Hurts was taking on so many more responsibilities. His first year calling the blocking assignments. Moore bringing in an actual scheme came with all O players reading the D and adjusting accordingly each play.

Moore actually equipped Hurts with audible options. Instead of previously Siri only giving two or three the entire season. Screen pass or All Go routes was super easy for every opponent to figure out and defend.

3 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Reports saying Daboll want either the Bills HC job or the Titans OC job over us. Daboll would rather coach Cam Ward over Hurts.

Mcdaniels obviously preferred Herbert over another limited QB like Tua

I wouldn’t tear down Cam potential. But it’s much more about the actual level of the job. OC under the weakest O minded HC isn’t a good job.

3 hours ago, DownwithDallas said:

Beat me to it. That's pretty sad that he would rather coach Ward over Hurts.

He gets autonomy with the Titans. Or at least be under a top elite respected O minded HC…before here.

3 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Reports saying Daboll want either the Bills HC job or the Titans OC job over us. Daboll would rather coach Cam Ward over Hurts.

Mcdaniels obviously preferred Herbert over another limited QB like Tua

Herbert a coach killer. Talented plenty enough, but so flawed. Nowhere near Hurts levels.

2 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

McDaniel and McDaniel are the 2 "Names" who would have likely change the playcalling. There are several others i'm seeing but they look like Patullo clones

If you don't think playcalling is an issue just look at the routes they were running they ran 3X more hitch routes than anyone else.

On the last drive against the Niners they went into a shell because they new EXACTLY what the Eagles would call

The Niners DC said as much

They better have a hard look at the O line Dickerson already said he wasn't sure he'd ever be healthy again

Jurgens has a bad back

Lane could retire any time

Don't even wanna talk about Hurts and Brown

Predictable routes by AJ in Siri O. Been called out by inside or outside hashes or on or off the line.

2 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

McDaniel and McDaniel are the 2 "Names" who would have likely change the playcalling. There are several others i'm seeing but they look like Patullo clones

If you don't think playcalling is an issue just look at the routes they were running they ran 3X more hitch routes than anyone else.

On the last drive against the Niners they went into a shell because they new EXACTLY what the Eagles would call

The Niners DC said as much

They better have a hard look at the O line Dickerson already said he wasn't sure he'd ever be healthy again

Jurgens has a bad back

Lane could retire any time

Don't even wanna talk about Hurts and Brown

Saleh referenced 2023 in fact is how he knew and recognized

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

For as much as we bring on the final play v SF why is the play right before it never brought up when we watched an easy Smith completion get overthrown should have been a easy first down before getting to 4th down.

Nothing to consider nitpicking here. We had a far superior team…shouldn’t have been anything close.

2 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

You're not wrong and if they have to dumb down the play calling for Hurts there's an even bigger problem

But why then does it manifest itself every OTHER year?

If Hurts were the main problem wouldn't it show up EVERY year?

Only O we should be concerned with building revolves around Hurts.

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Nothing to consider nitpicking here. We had a far superior team…shouldn’t have been anything close.

lol 😂 nitpicking your right could also bring up the 3 drops by AJ brown, numerous bad penalties, overthrow to Smith…. The random deep shot to AJ brown when Hurts had a man wide open underneath for an easy first down, dropped Saquon pass, the no block from Fred Johnson, Hurts not willing to pull the ball on RPO runs, Elliott missed PAT…..Soooo many things I could bring up in that game but I’m the one nitpicking while everyone else only brings up that final play not all the other missed opportunities by the players

8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Only O we should be concerned with building revolves around Hurts.

Except you can’t build an O around Hurts he can’t pass the ball at an elite level and he refusing to use his best attribute his legs.

Our top OC picks would rather coach elsewhere then be tied to Hurts it’s that bad

26 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Herbert a coach killer. Talented plenty enough, but so flawed. Nowhere near Hurts levels.

And Mcdaniels would still rather go coach him then come be Hurts OC what does that say…. Hurts is a massive issue holding us back and we are stuck for another 2 years

2 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

You're not wrong and if they have to dumb down the play calling for Hurts there's an even bigger problem

But why then does it manifest itself every OTHER year?

If Hurts were the main problem wouldn't it show up EVERY year?

The thing is he’s been stuck under Siri the entire time

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Hurts did really do anything under Moore though. Difference was the ground game and Saquon running for 2k.

Hurts had 14 games including playoffs with under 250 yards passing under Moore.

Only 4 games over 250 yards passing

And he was still willing to run and use his legs which offset the lack of throwing numerous reports have come out stated Hurts is wanting to run less.

Hurts actually audibled out of bad playcalling for such a high percentage of big key plays that were made.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Hurts actually audibled out of bad playcalling for such a high percentage of big key plays that were made.

Two or three games his audibled key big plays were undoubtably the main key to victory!

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Makes you think even more about Hurts limitations when Kellen Moore in NO on a way worst roster and a rookie QB in Tyler Shough throw for 250+ yards in 5 out of his 11 starts they won 4 of those 5 games

All I considered was just how limited our potentially all time greatest O was

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yep,I called it the KISS offense

Oversimplified O under Siri been arguably biggest issue to overcome

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Makes you think even more about Hurts limitations when Kellen Moore in NO on a way worst roster and a rookie QB in Tyler Shough throw for 250+ yards in 5 out of his 11 starts they won 4 of those 5 games

Should make you consider just what Siri was holding up last season.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Should make you consider just what Siri was holding up last season.

Moore was on track to open things up even more than he was given the opportunity to do.

3 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

McDaniel and McDaniel are the 2 "Names" who would have likely change the playcalling. There are several others i'm seeing but they look like Patullo clones

If you don't think playcalling is an issue just look at the routes they were running they ran 3X more hitch routes than anyone else.

On the last drive against the Niners they went into a shell because they new EXACTLY what the Eagles would call

The Niners DC said as much

They better have a hard look at the O line Dickerson already said he wasn't sure he'd ever be healthy again

Jurgens has a bad back

Lane could retire any time

Don't even wanna talk about Hurts and Brown

The QB is the issue. When we don't run and he doesn't run...he is below average. That's not going to change. That's a problem when your QB doesn't read the field well and doesn't run.

58 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Except you can’t build an O around Hurts he can’t pass the ball at an elite level and he refusing to use his best attribute his legs.

Our top OC picks would rather coach elsewhere then be tied to Hurts it’s that bad

You can build a 2024 offense around Hurts..problem is ...those players aren't going to be here anymore. It is what it is... enough fans will complain about the next play caller next year when the same issues arise.

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Except you can’t build an O around Hurts he can’t pass the ball at an elite level and he refusing to use his best attribute his legs.

Our top OC picks would rather coach elsewhere then be tied to Hurts it’s that bad

But yeah...no top play caller wants Hurts as a QB. He isn't the type of QB you want showing off the complicated plays... Moore dumbed it down and got a head coaching job, but he was already established in the league.

Read option...that's not what a play caller is going to want to constantly run.

Siri actually just got in the way. All O players

3 hours ago, DownwithDallas said:

Hurts struggles going through his progressions and reading a defense. I'll give him credit he throws a good deep ball but that's about it. He doesn't throw with timing ever it's always after the break and late.

Exactly an area being in no scheme under Siri we’ve really done a disservice to our best ever franchise QB.