35 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You are describing Rosie’s failure to find that slot WR

So still waiting on prediction #2,how many yards for Lemon?

13 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Looking at the salary cap situation.... it does make the most sense with Hurts playing 2 more years...then releasing or trading him creates 20 plus million of cap space.... if they let him go after 2026, there will be some dead money.

I think the safe assumption...Hurts plays well enough to stay but not at the level to earn the next contract.

Anything is possible but I don’t think the dead money is going to be enough to sway the Eagles from moving Hurts if they want after this season.

Think it’s going to be extend Hurts or trade Hurts after the season just my prediction on the situation depending on his play

12 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It’s already a done deal…you just can’t realize it yet

What is the done deal? I didn't see any contract news regarding Hurts!

Vic saying Dejean will be the S in the base defense this season I know we rarely run base D but good to know even if it was expected so we can keep Dejean on the field

4 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Anything is possible but I don’t think the dead money is going to be enough to sway the Eagles from moving Hurts if they want after this season.

Think it’s going to be extend Hurts or trade Hurts after the season just my prediction on the situation depending on his play

I think we just differ on the possibility of his play being adequate starter level...without being awful or standout.

To me, I think very possible. To where they don't necessarily want to eat the money and theoretically take a " step backwards" starting over next year.... and at the same time don't feel the urgency to commit to $60 plus million per year on the next deal.

He is technically signed through 2028 using " option bonuses" that gives the team leverage to where there is still a year left without guaranteed money...that they can always absorb into a new signing bonus.

The contract is structured very team friendly as far as control here towards the end. Idk they rush to lose that and take a huge cap hit. But for sure possible if the right deal comes up. Houston to me has always been the team to watch in that regard ..his hometown.

12 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I actually threw out the scenario all might be missing in that DeJean plays S…likely much more this season

It's comical how many of your posts are about you first...and the team second.

Also...you absolutely might have said anything... if it's in the abyss of 50 plus post rants...then I don't see it.

It's why to me I can't have a conversation with you because rather than stay on topic you go off on a tangent promoting some agenda from years ago wasting everyone's time.

38 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I think we just differ on the possibility of his play being adequate starter level...without being awful or standout.

To me, I think very possible. To where they don't necessarily want to eat the money and theoretically take a " step backwards" starting over next year.... and at the same time don't feel the urgency to commit to $60 plus million per year on the next deal.

He is technically signed through 2028 using " option bonuses" that gives the team leverage to where there is still a year left without guaranteed money...that they can always absorb into a new signing bonus.

The contract is structured very team friendly as far as control here towards the end. Idk they rush to lose that and take a huge cap hit. But for sure possible if the right deal comes up. Houston to me has always been the team to watch in that regard ..his hometown.

IDK what else can be done as far as giving Hurts everything he needs. I know I am disappointed in his passing, but that's ok IF he ran like he used to do. Hurts used to be devastating on broken plays and why I believe we paid him. That's when he stopped running, like someone resting on his laurels. I understand "self preservation" and not wanting him to run so much he tires and gets injured. But after his side deal BS, teams knew he wasn't much of a running threat and I think that hurts everyone. He needs to run, just to keep the threat alive. if defenses hesitate because they think Hurts will take off, that helps. If he is now a 1 dimensional "pocket passer" he will need more field vision than he has shown to date. It seemed to me(personally) that the called QB runs were easily covered in the RPO. I hope Mannion has additional play calls using the RPO. I would personally rather see play action used instead of the RPO, but that is just personal opinion. I view this year as Hurts "contract year." Hurts is a better game manager than he is a QB. Just like to see more effort from him. Like running to the sideline for 2 yards when you needed 4 for the first down. Those things really tick me off. he used to bust those for 30 yard scampers and that was a threat that made defenses hesitate and I feel we need that back if we want another SB shot

6 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK what else can be done as far as giving Hurts everything he needs. I know I am disappointed in his passing, but that's ok IF he ran like he used to do. Hurts used to be devastating on broken plays and why I believe we paid him. That's when he stopped running, like someone resting on his laurels. I understand "self preservation" and not wanting him to run so much he tires and gets injured. But after his side deal BS, teams knew he wasn't much of a running threat and I think that hurts everyone. He needs to run, just to keep the threat alive. if defenses hesitate because they think Hurts will take off, that helps. If he is now a 1 dimensional "pocket passer" he will need more field vision than he has shown to date. It seemed to me(personally) that the called QB runs were easily covered in the RPO. I hope Mannion has additional play calls using the RPO. I would personally rather see play action used instead of the RPO, but that is just personal opinion. I view this year as Hurts "contract year." Hurts is a better game manager than he is a QB. Just like to see more effort from him. Like running to the sideline for 2 yards when you needed 4 for the first down. Those things really tick me off. he used to bust those for 30 yard scampers and that was a threat that made defenses hesitate and I feel we need that back if we want another SB shot

What if his play is slightly above average? What do you do with the contract?

Just read an article that no deal has been set for AJ. What happens if AJ stays?

19 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

What if his play is slightly above average? What do you do with the contract?

Well he already IS QB 19/32 which is a little above average. If he moves into the top 10 then Howie has alot to think about. To move into the top 10(IMO) he would need to run more effectively AND put up decent passing stats. It's hard to draw any comparisons since McKee has not played with the 1's much. I'm wondering if he plays well this year, that he will slack off again in 2027. I want to believe Hurts is "the guy" but he's not very convincing to me personally

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Well he already IS QB 19/32 which is a little above average. If he moves into the top 10 then Howie has alot to think about. To move into the top 10(IMO) he would need to run more effectively AND put up decent passing stats. It's hard to draw any comparisons since McKee has not played with the 1's much. I'm wondering if he plays well this year, that he will slack off again in 2027. I want to believe Hurts is "the guy" but he's not very convincing to me personally

My "fear" is he plays well enough to get an extension, then disappears again. If he gets an extension I doubt we extend or re-sign McKee(trade). If they play well in their last college seasons coming up, there are 2 possible Franchise type QB's in the next draft. By then we should know if the kid we just drafted is a keeper or not. Hurts has always had stellar guys around him. It's hard for any QB to fail with what we have. I would have NP if McKee was the starter in '27. Howie has some tough decisions coming. BTW I am not a "contract guy"

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

think we just differ on the possibility of his play being adequate starter level...without being awful or standout.

Not really I’m not expecting hurts to fall off some cliff in his play it’s going to be around the same level as it has been the last 3 years just like I’m not expecting some massive jump in his play.

But I still believe the decision will be made on whether to move on from him or keep him will be made after this season. Think the 2027 QB class is projected to be deep at QB and the right time to make a new selection if we want to go that route.

Now if we draft a guy does that mean we automatically will trade Hurts no he could still be here another year but it’s all be guaranteed at that point the franchise has decided to move on…. Just like if we don’t target a QB in 2027 I think it will be a sign we look to extend Hurts

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

My "fear" is he plays well enough to get an extension, then disappears again. If he gets an extension I doubt we extend or re-sign McKee(trade). If they play well in their last college seasons coming up, there are 2 possible Franchise type QB's in the next draft. By then we should know if the kid we just drafted is a keeper or not. Hurts has always had stellar guys around him. It's hard for any QB to fail with what we have. I would have NP if McKee was the starter in '27. Howie has some tough decisions coming. BTW I am not a "contract guy"

See,this is why I think Howie and company lean towards letting Hurts play 2027 without an extension....unless the play is just so phenomenal.

There is still some guaranteed money left in 2027, you don't want to take the dead cap hit. Let him play 2 more years and the guaranteed money run out. Still has 2028 on the contract, if they want to keep him, they can extend before 2028.

If this year there is below average play...and the proper deal comes up. With Hurts waiving the no trade... it will take all that to move on completely. I just don't see all that happening.

I guess to me I'm seeing a high enough floor and low enough ceiling in 2026 to where I think the Eagles just avoid making any decision to change.

10 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Not really I’m not expecting hurts to fall off some cliff in his play it’s going to be around the same level as it has been the last 3 years just like I’m not expecting some massive jump in his play.

But I still believe the decision will be made on whether to move on from him or keep him will be made after this season. Think the 2027 QB class is projected to be deep at QB and the right time to make a new selection if we want to go that route.

Now if we draft a guy does that mean we automatically will trade Hurts no he could still be here another year but it’s all be guaranteed at that point the franchise has decided to move on…. Just like if we don’t target a QB in 2027 I think it will be a sign we look to extend Hurts

See there is a difference between us in paying attention to college ball. You are looking at possibilities of college kids coming in... I'm just looking at the $$

I think the money has more influence in the Eagles front office than a college class.

I think the college class plays a part in the media narrative, but in reality the Eagles look at the cap situation way more.

I think they like Hurts and prefer not to make a change at QB. But also cautious of paying him more and committing past this contract.

After 2027... when the guaranteed money is done, and Hurts still has one year left...that is the sweet spot the Eagles love to make their move.

19 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Not really I’m not expecting hurts to fall off some cliff in his play it’s going to be around the same level as it has been the last 3 years just like I’m not expecting some massive jump in his play.

But I still believe the decision will be made on whether to move on from him or keep him will be made after this season. Think the 2027 QB class is projected to be deep at QB and the right time to make a new selection if we want to go that route.

Now if we draft a guy does that mean we automatically will trade Hurts no he could still be here another year but it’s all be guaranteed at that point the franchise has decided to move on…. Just like if we don’t target a QB in 2027 I think it will be a sign we look to extend Hurts

But good perspective on a real conversation.

So let me ask you...similar results last year... Eagles pick 23rd in next draft. Hurts plays ...ok, average, slightly above.

The 2027 QB class... what move do the Eagles need to do to grab a QB?

Can they stay there at 23? Or you looking at a trade up to top 15? Top 10? Top 5?

What is the cost?

This is why I don't like to rely on the idea of a " draft class" what if the price is too high?

Sure we could be looking at picks from an AJ trade, maybe some comp picks or trade with McKee?

But do they sacrifice the ability to use those picks for everything else to go all in on a QB in 2027? Or wait another year and let things play out?

Looking at a mock draft ( i can't believe it GB, shoot me now...lol)

1st = Manning

3rd Dante Moore

4th CJ Carr

14th Drew Mestemaker

Obviously way way to early... plus we don't know which teams finish where yet in the draft order. But looking there... the idea of the Eagles moving up would seem to rely on if one of those top 3 fell pretty far or that they really like QB #4.. or one or two sleepers emerge.

I just can't see them making the trade up to the top 5... knowing other teams should have more to offer those top teams. Could easily take minimum two 1sts plus another 2nd or 3rd... if not three 1sts.

That's tough for me to see Howie give up... unless Hurts completely tanks.

17 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So still waiting on prediction #2,how many yards for Lemon?

Already did that. Like 600 and 4 TD

22 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So in 6 years we had a bevvy of slot guys Hurts could not find on the field, but now suddenly he will find Lemon? Did Lemon add 4 inches to Hurts height? Will Lemon suddenly give him field vision he never had before? Will Lemon add to Hurts mobility so be can move around to locate him? WOW!!!!! All that for a kid who never played a snap in the NFL. The thing is now Hurts HAS to do this because Howie gave up picks to move up for this talented kid. How many yards do you suspect he will get year 1???? Take a shot bud

Lemon isn’t huge super tall guy. But that doesn’t stop him.

17 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Right so once again what is your prediction, you just said you put them out there, and I asked 5 times already and you won't do it. Still no prediction, so the above post is FALSE

I always go out on every limb. Give my two cents to begin. Then adapt accordingly.

17 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So still waiting on prediction #2,how many yards for Lemon?

Did this during the draft

18 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Once again, the link to where we were dead last as you claimed. Still waiting

Use your eyes….or try and make a case it was better than last other than what Moore provided.

12 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Anything is possible but I don’t think the dead money is going to be enough to sway the Eagles from moving Hurts if they want after this season.

Think it’s going to be extend Hurts or trade Hurts after the season just my prediction on the situation depending on his play

He will demand a new much larger contract

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

He will demand a new much larger contract

Guess the figures to be handed out

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Guess the figures to be handed out

Going to be insane!

7 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Vic saying Dejean will be the S in the base defense this season I know we rarely run base D but good to know even if it was expected so we can keep Dejean on the field

He might not ever work outside….but S is his spot to get paid.