21 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Not even looking at AJ who is uncovered.   Not sure why you are obsessed with just Goedert here... possibly it's why you can't see the limitations on Hurts ....you have the same tunnel vision?

You just don’t understand that much football here. Hurts is turned to the right putting the ball in the RBs belly. Reading the DE to decide for the RB or himself to keep it.

21 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I'm seeing the middle as totally boxed in with defenders. I bet this play went for 1/2 yard. He is 4 yards back, what is the rush to hand it off in a stacked box??? Drop back or to your right and let the play develop. We also can't see the WR's either,there is absolutely NOBODY in the middle of the field. He can't see this? He can't trust Goedert to get open in 3 seconds? Where are Smith and the slot WR on this play?  C'mon now. Instead of seeing what's wrong,your defense of having 2 choices(neither is correct) is abysmal. let me ask you WHY was this play picked out. because it was an awesome offensive play? I think it was to point out what went WRONG. Nobody in the middle,roll out,take  a few steps back,buy some time. What is the worst that could happen,you throw the ball away? Is that 1/2 yard really the play? 1/2 yard is so much better than throwing it away? The choices here were to buy some time and either find a receiver or throw the ball away,those were the TRUE choices. Maybe AJ was waving his arms downfield LOL. That was our problem. 1/2 yard - 2 yards on 3 plays=3 and out or the famed tush push. Sorry,we can't survive on the tush push nor taking 4 downs to go 10 yards. My HS coach would be SCREAMING at the QB. "WTF you doing out there??" If the play still looks broken,THEN you take off running for the sidelines and I would bet you can get at least the same 1/2 yard(or more) on a Hurts run. Another great play would be to call a freakin TO and change the play entirely

You aren’t understanding the play call. It wasn’t a shotgun snap pass play. It was an RPO. It was an all out blitz. Three unblocked defenders to the right. QB keeping the ball on that play was suicide.

20 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why are the receivers at the bottom not even going downfield? Having brunch there at the 30 yard line? IDK,seems to me there are mega issues on this play as it is pictured(which is all I can go by). Going by the bar on the bottom this was 1 second maybe. That means Hurts had already made the decision to hand off before the ball was even snapped. Maybe it was a run play CALLED. Still with the RPO you have to wait for the PASSING option to unfold. That will not happen in 1 second. That is why it is called the RPO. Walking to the line and seeing a stacked box should have told him A) I call a TO or B)"I'm passing this ball because the box is stacked". IMO those are the options instead of blindly handing the ball off even if that was what was called. As I said,maybe the best play was to call a TO instead of forcing a run in a stacked box. So you asked me what I saw and that's what I see

The handoff to the RB was the right answer. Pats went with a pretty ballsy playcall to stop the RPO. They isolated Goedert all the way outside by himself. It was possible that worked out to getting a LB one on one against Goedert in many D playcalls on a manageable third down. Goedert on any LB with no help should spell huge play. But not what the Pats were doing.

19 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2024/6/10/24175250/eagles-news-nakobe-dean-stock-down-philadelphia-linebacker-georgia-zack-baun-devin-white-roster-lb

Fangio targeted Bain for the starting off ball LB role. Brought in Devin White. Pretty much was decided in the offseason those two were the guys Fangio was rolling with.

I like getting the young guys involved though. Test them out and get them experience.

Kind of what they’ve been doing saying those opportunities. Nolan, Steen….Dean his rookie year. Plenty of opportunities to have gotten more looks at Dean in mop up time his rookie year…at the least.

19 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

JALEN HURTS UPDATE: Hurts and the starting offense didn’t look crisp. Hurts began 7-on-7 with three straight reps where the ball either didn’t get out in a timely manner ... or at all. Hurts was "sacked” multiple times, which wasn’t entirely on him (Josh Sweat beat Jordan Mailata quickly at one point) but he didn’t help the situation. It feels like it’s been feast or famine in terms of Hurts either getting out the ball quickly for a short reception or holding onto it for forever. Hurts overthrew a fairly wide open deep target on a play where "pressure” forced him to roll left. Had he put some more air under it instead of zipping it, the receiver should’ve had it comfortably or at least had a chance to make a play. How much should be made of Hurts not looking his sharpest this spring? Hard to say

Kind if shows you just how much they were relying on Hurts to deliver the deep ball. Exactly what I want Hurts adding to his repertoire.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

The RB is on the other side. He has to turn towards the RB to stick the  ball in his belly first. That’s how the play is run. Load up the left side with two very dangerous WR. But Bellicheat had a plan for the RPO weak one.

Again.... on the left side there is a numbers advantage which includes our best player.   QB can see this OBVIOUS advantage right there in front and make his decision.   You see AJ running a route on this play....so he was an option.

The QB needs to see these things.  

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

The handoff to the RB was the right answer. Pats went with a pretty ballsy playcall to stop the RPO. They isolated Goedert all the way outside by himself. It was possible that worked out to getting a LB one on one against Goedert in many D playcalls on a manageable third down. Goedert on any LB with no help should spell huge play. But not what the Pats were doing.

The pass on the left side was the right call.   Not even a question about it.  

Once a DC sees that it doesn't matter if you don't match up because the QB won't go off script... that's when the offense is in trouble. 

48 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Again.... on the left side there is a numbers advantage which includes our best player.   QB can see this OBVIOUS advantage right there in front and make his decision.   You see AJ running a route on this play....so he was an option.

The QB needs to see these things.  

With his back turned he needs to see those things behind him

49 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Again.... on the left side there is a numbers advantage which includes our best player.   QB can see this OBVIOUS advantage right there in front and make his decision.   You see AJ running a route on this play....so he was an option.

The QB needs to see these things.  

3 DBs and 3 WR. The playcall designed Goedert split out wide….a go to if we catch them with a LB out there. But there were two DBs over Goedert.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

With his back turned he needs to see those things behind him

When he steps to the line and sees the coverage....yes...he needs to see these things.  

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

With his back turned he needs to see those things behind him

A QB needs to scan the whole field prior to taking the snap.  

The nut licking is ridiculous 

The Pickett outperforming Hurts in OTAs is just funny to me they really want to drive a QB competition for no reason. 
 

The one take that I did read though that was valid can’t use the new scheme as an excuse for Hurts since Pickett is also learning a new scheme while also getting to know new teammates.

Also to add Hurts likely isn’t the best practice player and that’s fine since key part of his game is his legs which really a non factor at this point in camp compared to actual game 

47 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

The Pickett outperforming Hurts in OTAs is just funny to me they really want to drive a QB competition for no reason.

Yeah, really between Picket and McKee for QB2

4 minutes ago, EaglesTD123 said:

Yeah, really between Picket and McKee for QB2

From the sounds of it it’s clearly Pickett which I’m fine with good chance Hurts will miss a game or two and we need a backup that can win us a game 

4 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

The Pickett outperforming Hurts in OTAs is just funny to me they really want to drive a QB competition for no reason. 
 

The one take that I did read though that was valid can’t use the new scheme as an excuse for Hurts since Pickett is also learning a new scheme while also getting to know new teammates.

Also to add Hurts likely isn’t the best practice player and that’s fine since key part of his game is his legs which really a non factor at this point in camp compared to actual game 

I haven’t been hearing that stuff so much. What I’ve been hearing is Tanner McKee has been looking solid though. Pickett’s thrown a couple ugly ducks. But this shorter to midrange  passing game and timing passes is exactly what Hurts needed all along. He really didn’t get to do but so much of it last season. You’ll notice every time he did it pretty much made the highlight reel as well. But doesn’t sound like Hurts has been looking great out there in OTAS. His arms are just loaded with muscle. He made a noticeable difference there this offseason. Bigger stronger arm correlating with sailing some passes perhaps? I really can’t act like I know and can judge things from the tiny bit of OTA film I’ve caught.

7 hours ago, joemas6 said:

The nut licking is ridiculous 

Just give Bellicheat his due respect on that ballsy gamble well defended play.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Just give Bellicheat his due respect on that ballsy gamble well defended play.

There are plenty of legitimate plays you can Hurts Hate on.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Just give Bellicheat his due respect on that ballsy gamble well defended play.

I think he definitely relied on Hurts not being mentally advanced for an NFL QB...for sure.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

There are plenty of legitimate plays you can Hurts Hate on.

I don't need to hate....just give honest credit and  blame when it's due.

I remember in 2021 when Nick Mullens was the "best QB in training camp" week 1. He was the worst in preseason and practice by the time he was waived and we traded for Minshew. The only real thing to take from OTAs and minicamps is who participated and who wasn't able to. There were a lot of players that took some  1st team reps in minicamp and some of them won't make the 53.

16 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I think he definitely relied on Hurts not being mentally advanced for an NFL QB...for sure.

Yeah Hurts and every other QB in the league he’s figured out how to shut down their best play.

16 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I don't need to hate....just give honest credit and  blame when it's due.

No! You keep harping and hating on Hurts over a play you just weren’t understanding. Which is what it is and no biggie ….until it’s in attempts to tear down our QB1. Like I said there are plenty of legitimate mistakes made by Hurts. But endlessly abusing this very late screenshot trying to discredit Hurts is nothing but endless attempts to Hurts Hate.