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Ongoing Eagles New Discussion volume 2

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12 hours ago, Senhorcook said:

Tuipulotu, Ojomo? Both marginal players vs Cox, potential hall of famer……How about Davis and Carter getting in shape enough to make a bigger impact?

What about Milton Williams?    He was Howie's pick where the scout / Personnel dept guy ....didn't give Howe the fist bump after the pick was made. Another one of Howie's picks Ham likes a lot.  Ham's boys or Howie's boys...same thing. 

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21 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Right,Mahomes sees the entire field,as it unfolds and delivers the ball,so that is 5 reads. A QB dropping back to pass, looking for receivers, a very novel idea!!!

Mahomes was taught a very valuable lesson by AR after The Cheetah was shipped out.

16 hours ago, Senhorcook said:

Tuipulotu, Ojomo? Both marginal players vs Cox, potential hall of famer……How about Davis and Carter getting in shape enough to make a bigger impact?

I was speaking on depth. Davis and Carter are clearly key. Milton just keeps improving also. Depth wise the fourth and fifth guys I believe are ready to contribute. Depth we are good. Is Davis ready to be an actual starter, like you are asking, is the real question.

17 hours ago, Senhorcook said:

Has to be a bogus story. Brazilians LOVE green! It’s their flag color and national soccer team color. Hell, they will be wearing green jerseys to the stadium. I just hope it’s Eagles’ green!

Game is being played in Sao Paolo, Brazil Corinthians stadium. Their rival is wears green.

3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

What about Milton Williams?    He was Howie's pick where the scout / Personnel dept guy ....didn't give Howe the fist bump after the pick was made. Another one of Howie's picks Ham likes a lot.  Ham's boys or Howie's boys...same thing. 

Milton we knew was a developmental cat from a smaller school. That dude has built himself into a moving brick wall with the benefit of NFL conditions/training/diet. Very underrated player I expect to have a fantastic season. I really enjoy rooting for players like him. Obviously anybody playing on NFL gamedays is blessed with great physical gifts. But he is a story of a guy that has just massively put in the hard work and dedication trying to become his best. I can live or die with the results from players doing things like he is. He may not be as large as Davis and as freakishly fast. May not have the raw athletism in the frame Carter possesses. Those two have relied on their god given talents too much. Fall short because they haven’t put in the work. If the two high pick DTs put in half the effort of Hurts and Milton they’d both be unstoppable. Hurts hasn’t coasted on raw talent like Mike Vick did. He’s worked his tail off living and breathing trying to become a champion. Some hard core haters here for some reason. I absolutely love rooting for these two players. They both work their butts off in every phase year round to make themselves the best versions of themselves. Really that’s all I ask for out of any of our players. Let’s just get them the right people surrounding them to get them where they want to go. Think we got a QB coach this year in Nussmeir. Got a strong Dline coach in Hurtt. Seeing him as the guy to take over the DC job from Fangio down the line here. Take these two very coachable players and give them coaches ready to do their jobs and the results(barring injury) just can’t really even tell in doubt or to be questioned….not as I see it. Rosie really screwed up the coaching situation last season. BG was quoted as believing the main issue was just not having the proper coaches in the right places. Exactly what I’ve stated the whole entire time. So those that wish to ignore my observations …surely should give proper respect due to BG’s opinions on the matters.

I agree... Hurts Absolutely hasn't coasted on raw QB talent.   Raw speed and squating 

Just give me a freaking break already expecting to compare the top talent in the league in Mahomes that’s paired with the top coach in the league in AR. Hurts isn’t ever going to be Mahomes. We aren’t ever hiring  a brighter mind than AR. But we have Siri instead. Kidding yourself if you actually believe Mahomes would be anything close to the player he has been if he was under Siri instead of AR. Just constantly get the feeling of zero respect or appreciation ….heck feels like flat out just a lack of understanding of what a difference coaching can make in any areas of the NFL.

23 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Just give me a freaking break already expecting to compare the top talent in the league in Mahomes that’s paired with the top coach in the league in AR. Hurts isn’t ever going to be Mahomes. We aren’t ever hiring  a brighter mind than AR. But we have Siri instead. Kidding yourself if you actually believe Mahomes would be anything close to the player he has been if he was under Siri instead of AR. Just constantly get the feeling of zero respect or appreciation ….heck feels like flat out just a lack of understanding of what a difference coaching can make in any areas of the NFL.

I don't even think Mahomes is that cerebral of a player....dude just has all the talent to elude the rush and make any throw on the field.   It's funny how smart AR looks after Mahomes makes a big play improvising on a broken play.   

I'm not looking for Hurts to be Mahomes at all...except for the elusiveness...you simply can't compare any other raw talent.    Really there are just so many other Qbs blessed with more QB skill raw talent than Hurts.  I totally agree.  Hurts made the league though because he can run.  Without the arm talent or height... he is going to have to put the work in on the mental side. ... as a passer.    The league will take away the run when it matters so if he doesn't develop as a passer.. he will be out after 2026.

He certainly has the surrounding cast ...arguably the best 10 offensive teammates of any other QB... so he will have all the opportunities to succeed and win.

The media really questioning Hurts leadership and awareness... too much soap opera for me. More worried about on the field

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2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Just give me a freaking break already expecting to compare the top talent in the league in Mahomes that’s paired with the top coach in the league in AR. Hurts isn’t ever going to be Mahomes. We aren’t ever hiring  a brighter mind than AR. But we have Siri instead. Kidding yourself if you actually believe Mahomes would be anything close to the player he has been if he was under Siri instead of AR. Just constantly get the feeling of zero respect or appreciation ….heck feels like flat out just a lack of understanding of what a difference coaching can make in any areas of the NFL.

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IDK,when I was younger if I could have been Muhammed Ali's cornerman and trainer, do you think we could win some boxing matches?

8 hours ago, joemas6 said:

So you aren't as excited about these diamonds in the rough late round draft picks made by Howie as much as Ham is?   

Definitely not. They are average joes. Replaceable. Hopefully make a splash play or two a game, but not going to dictate anything from opposing offenses.

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I was speaking on depth. Davis and Carter are clearly key. Milton just keeps improving also. Depth wise the fourth and fifth guys I believe are ready to contribute. Depth we are good. Is Davis ready to be an actual starter, like you are asking, is the real question.

Right on!

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Game is being played in Sao Paolo, Brazil Corinthians stadium. Their rival is wears green.

Maybe I’m wrong. But, I would wear a green Eagles jersey at the game there. 
 

PS. I own a Corinthians jersey from there too. I can wear that underneath my Eagles jersey.😎

On 6/19/2024 at 9:45 PM, joemas6 said:

The wide receivers ....are wide receivers. They sucked on KC.  Just like you are specifically trying to be your usual annoying negative self.. pointing out 2 LBs our of 11 defensive players... I'm specifically pointing out 2 WR spots.  

You don't count the edge rushing or outside LB...just the inside off ball LB..so apples to apples...Kelce doesn't count as the outside WR I was taking about 

You see how normal people compare. They don't spin things .

Wide Receiver is a position. A receiver is anybody goes out to catch a route.

3 hours ago, Senhorcook said:

Definitely not. They are average joes. Replaceable. Hopefully make a splash play or two a game, but not going to dictate anything from opposing offenses.

The key is having a rotation. Having guys capable of giving the top guys rest. Maybe stacking up for goaline and short yardage situations also.

17 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I don't even think Mahomes is that cerebral of a player....dude just has all the talent to elude the rush and make any throw on the field.   It's funny how smart AR looks after Mahomes makes a big play improvising on a broken play.   

I'm not looking for Hurts to be Mahomes at all...except for the elusiveness...you simply can't compare any other raw talent.    Really there are just so many other Qbs blessed with more QB skill raw talent than Hurts.  I totally agree.  Hurts made the league though because he can run.  Without the arm talent or height... he is going to have to put the work in on the mental side. ... as a passer.    The league will take away the run when it matters so if he doesn't develop as a passer.. he will be out after 2026.

He certainly has the surrounding cast ...arguably the best 10 offensive teammates of any other QB... so he will have all the opportunities to succeed and win.

You just keep saying the league will take away the run. You say in the playoffs Hurts won’t be able to run. That myth of yours has already been proven false. Hurts is a dual threat QB that DCs cringe late nights trying to plan for.

Ran for 70 yards in that SB…threw for 304

11 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Wide Receiver is a position. A receiver is anybody goes out to catch a route.

And same with " off ball LB" a specific position.   What do off ball LBs do?  Shed blocks, tackle, cover, rush the passer... but you are conveniently only looking at 2 guys... I'm doing the same with KC's WRs.

Apples to apples.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You just keep saying the league will take away the run. You say in the playoffs Hurts won’t be able to run. That myth of yours has already been proven false. Hurts is a dual threat QB that DCs cringe late nights trying to plan for.

How has it worked out so far... what has happened in Baltimore?

Nobody was cringing with Hurts.

AJ makes the difference in the offense.  Pay attention to what Bosa said.. we layed the blueprint to stop Hurts...he didn't say the Eagles.  Former Temple star and coach of Tampa... " he can't read a defense "  ...they found ways to stop him.  Pay attention when they prevent him from escaping to the right side.

At some point you need to acknowledge this... just like Sanders isn't any special talent and Lane was better than Ziggy 

Hurts needs to develop QB skills...hang in the pocket,  multiple reads, and be able to throw while rolling left. 

Read option...dual threat...not going to win at the end.  Gotta make throws.   

Hurts has hung in the pocket and made multiple reads plenty. Rolled to his left and thrown some dimes.He took a beating back there. Look how many hits and hurries he suffered along with sacks. If anything he needs plays that he can get rid of the ball quicker on. Especially when everybody in the whole stadium is assuming massive blitz is coming.

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How many jobs are on the line if the Eagles don’t recover this season? 

Obviously Siri would get fired.

Find it hard to believe we would keep either coordinator. Vic might not be a hard sell to keep for a new HC so possible he sticks around.

Hurts I don’t think his job is as secure as Ham makes it out to be…. But I do think he will have to be really bad like tail end of last year for the entire year type play. 
 

I want to say Howie but we all know that man’s job is not in danger at all 

6 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

How many jobs are on the line if the Eagles don’t recover this season? 

Obviously Siri would get fired.

Find it hard to believe we would keep either coordinator. Vic might not be a hard sell to keep for a new HC so possible he sticks around.

Hurts I don’t think his job is as secure as Ham makes it out to be…. But I do think he will have to be really bad like tail end of last year for the entire year type play. 
 

I want to say Howie but we all know that man’s job is not in danger at all 

Do you anticipate failure?   Idk, I never really worry about who comes and goes.   My job won't matter...lol.   Just win baby.   Fred Flinstone and Barney could be making decisions, if they work then great.   At times I've sure felt we had Fred and Barney making decisions...lol.

3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

And same with " off ball LB" a specific position.   What do off ball LBs do?  Shed blocks, tackle, cover, rush the passer... but you are conveniently only looking at 2 guys... I'm doing the same with KC's WRs.

Apples to apples.

Apples to Apples? That’s the whole second/middle level of our D. What good does it to have Dline taking on the lanes and clearing things for the LBers if those guys struggle? How is that you believe a D actually works? Our run D is suspect. Now that wasn’t magnified as much because our pass D was as next to last. Any other year and our pass D would have been league worst.

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