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Ongoing Eagles New Discussion volume 2

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We very clearly aren’t in the top elite tier of teams in the NFC. Are we even in that second tier level of NFC teams? Mind you….just talking half the league…our conference.

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12 wins was what the SB Niners accomplished last season. FL has stated he expects a 12 win team. I’m seeing 10.

FL you have this trend going of always downing Hurts and propping up the belief more in the other QB we have. Started with Wentz. You really didn’t like the move to Hurts over him. Then you wanted to bench Hurts for Shew. Now you are talking Pickett while tearing QB1 apart. Have some time now to even reflect on what has transpired with these first two now….the benefit of hindsight even here. None of these guys are even close to being in consideration of the same level of Franchise QB we have at the helm. Don’t know why you have such dislike and disdain for Hurts? Shew couldn’t win a game for us in the same team Hurts was kicking butt with when he did get his chance. Wentz you gotta be able to understand in hindsight how much lesser a Franchise QB he was at that point. Did nothing but drag teams down after we shipped him out in favor of Hurts. Now you jumped straight in with the next guy in Pickett. Not sure how much you’ve seen of him play. But he needs to be developed just so we can make him a viable backup. For me that’s always what I’ve seen as his ceiling. He was in a pathetic QB draft class. So he was forced as a first round pick. Always so very obvious to me that was a terrible draft choice….out of desperation….for a team that never has high draft picks.
  Anyway just reflect on what you are saying and doing. Of course any player can be nitpicked. But all you seem to do is tear down the leader of our team. Some points are probably valid…..but much of them are completely way off base just Hurts hating. 

Now I clearly am on a completely opposite point of view. I think he’s the best Franchise QB our team has ever had. If I was GM the job would be surrounding him with what he needs. Last season Rosie made the mistake of taking Johnson out of the job of being QB coach. On our team QB coach is arguably one of the most important jobs. Kind of just winged it at QB coach with evidently thinking the OC was going to still also do that job. Last offseason the focus was telling Hurts he can’t afford to be aggressive. Get down…don’t go for broke making plays. That is what I felt came across as the offseason for Hurts. What I witnessed as a result was Hurts took a beating last year actually. Things got pushed way too close to ruining our guy. He’s one heck of a gutsy competitor. But he just kept getting hit back there. It wasn’t on his runs so much he takes the punishment. He usually can slide off those tackles. It’s in the backfield he gets whacked. But also on these Brotherly Shove plays. Just watch the parts you can even see with guys trying to jump up on him…helmet to helmet. Biggest humans on the planet converging on top of him every time. NFL piles aren’t fun and games. That’s some dirty nasty stuff going on in there. If we carry on facing known heavy blitzes with only long developing routes….any QB will be done and become gunshy.

We don’t have Shannahan…McVay…AR. We have Siri….Moore. That’s starting out with one hand tied behind the back right there. We got Fangio in place. Pretty likely whomever we can grab to be our HC will approve of him staying on running the D. Rosie needs to really dig in and identify who is the top O minded HC he can get his hands on. Right now the top choices look to be Detroit and Houston OCs.

Love to hear any other options anybody is aware of

When you really think about it you need to start working the angles as early as possible. Figure out if we have any chance of either guy would choose to come here for the HC job. Both are hot commodities. So they likely can have their pick of a couple available jobs. Both chose to return to their teams this season. Both could have taken a HC job getting their own team this year though. Not like the Gannon situation where he took a terrible job to come into. Zona isn’t some coveted football team to begin with. But coming into that job already knowing the starting QB wouldn’t be available until the end of the season is extremely tough. Like it or not a coaches W/L record is important. Now if he can build that team up to the playoffs this year then he’ll look like coach of the year.

W/L record is definitely the huge thing Siri has going for him. Which is kind of funny considering how terrible his start was going until he changed course to give things over to Steichen. Felt like our team maybe was riding the hot streak of knowing how to win last season from 2022. Siri as an OC was under Reich in his O. So it’s not really like Siri has ever proven capable at any of those posts concerning running his O.

I already know I’ll catch flak for this but….I want Slowik. Was on the D side with DeMeco in Santa Clara. Then went on the O side under Shannahan. It’s obviously well known I’ve pointed towards the Niners in many ways about how they’ve been doing things. But he got his shot running his own O as OC….not an OC under the HC O mastermind. He absolutely brought it. Stroud grabbing tons of credit. But look at all the QBs Slowik has gotten to be very productive. Garrapolo, Purdy…. Even though I believe Slowik is a hot commodity….still think he’s being underrated and being slept on. He had a ton to do with Stroud’s success. 

Just read that bio on Slowik. With Purdy, Garrapolo and Trey freaking Lance he got them to still be fourth in passing yards. Look at the RBs and WRs success he’s been a part of. I mean I’m not trying to act like Shannahan wasn’t there. Texans used ten different Oline….had three games without giving up a sack. Optimised Deebo. Got the best out of Aiyuck. Singletary was a quality RB under him.

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Our schedule is challenging this upcoming season. Green Bay, Falcons, Bucs, Rams, Ravens, Browns, Saints,Steelers, Bengals, Jags. Gotta go earn each of those wins for sure.

The Bucs?

19 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I already know I’ll catch flak for this but….I want Slowik. Was on the D side with DeMeco in Santa Clara. Then went on the O side under Shannahan. It’s obviously well known I’ve pointed towards the Niners in many ways about how they’ve been doing things. But he got his shot running his own O as OC….not an OC under the HC O mastermind. He absolutely brought it. Stroud grabbing tons of credit. But look at all the QBs Slowik has gotten to be very productive. Garrapolo, Purdy…. Even though I believe Slowik is a hot commodity….still think he’s being underrated and being slept on. He had a ton to do with Stroud’s success. 

What position opening do we have to hire this guy?

Really looking forward to this upcoming season!   Starting off with the Friday night party!      

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

W/L record is definitely the huge thing Siri has going for him. Which is kind of funny considering how terrible his start was going until he changed course to give things over to Steichen. Felt like our team maybe was riding the hot streak of knowing how to win last season from 2022. Siri as an OC was under Reich in his O. So it’s not really like Siri has ever proven capable at any of those posts concerning running his O.

Except for the win / loss record 

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

The Bucs?

They are tough. Bowles is a master of his side of the ball. They give everybody problems. They just need to hit on a few plays on O and they can take down most of the league…,except the top tier guys.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

What position opening do we have to hire this guy?

I’m telling you Rosie and Lurie very likely are looking ahead. Both guys wanted to return for one more season. So they are clearly there next season. You know Rosie didn’t want Bellicheat or Harbaugh. That’s what I’m thinking they concluded on this idea of keeping lame duck Siri. Otherwise they would have forced a hire that wasn’t the right guy. We both should be able to agree the HC they hire will be an O minded coach. So the key was grabbing Fangio and having that D side taken care of. They concentrated clearly drafting for Fangio to build on.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

What position opening do we have to hire this guy?

You want to judge Hurts fairly? You keep comparing him to Mahomes. But no way can Hurts or any QB reach that level with Siri. Screwed up firing Pedey. Cost us a second trophy. Why wouldn’t we be all about providing the best O minded coach we can get our hands on? You and FL just target the QB for all problems last season. Haven’t heard either one of you mention or acknowledge the elephant in the room of the coaching. I was willing for Johnson to face some bumps in the road learning on the job first time. But the O came out of TC way too unorganized. Weren’t nearly prepared correctly. Then Johnson being unable to adjust to what DCs were doing to his offense pretty well sealed the deal. He was supposed to have Siri to help and guide him. Neither of them just tried simple adjustments that ordinary fans understand to try.

How long do we wait with this group of guys until we get serious? First two years with Siri at least there was a ceiling he could possibly achieve. But he never did. It was Steichen. Last season was a flat out give up year….and we all know it. Rosie didn’t even try to put together a whole team. Desai everybody understood wasn’t the answer. Hard worker…..but he isn’t the DC to win championships. I believe these guys deserve to hunt that trophy now.

This year is a second in a row year not chasing the ring. Let Fangio build his D. Be real ready to roll and figure out what he needs to put everything together next year moving forward. Clearly Rosie focused on Fangio for the long term thinking here.

38 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

They are tough. Bowles is a master of his side of the ball. They give everybody problems. They just need to hit on a few plays on O and they can take down most of the league…,except the top tier guys.

I just disagree a lot with this.

28 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You want to judge Hurts fairly? You keep comparing him to Mahomes. But no way can Hurts or any QB reach that level with Siri. Screwed up firing Pedey. Cost us a second trophy. Why wouldn’t we be all about providing the best O minded coach we can get our hands on? You and FL just target the QB for all problems last season. Haven’t heard either one of you mention or acknowledge the elephant in the room of the coaching. I was willing for Johnson to face some bumps in the road learning on the job first time. But the O came out of TC way too unorganized. Weren’t nearly prepared correctly. Then Johnson being unable to adjust to what DCs were doing to his offense pretty well sealed the deal. He was supposed to have Siri to help and guide him. Neither of them just tried simple adjustments that ordinary fans understand to try.

What position opening do we have?  Very simple question.  What can we hire this guy for now?

24 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

This year is a second in a row year not chasing the ring. Let Fangio build his D. Be real ready to roll and figure out what he needs to put everything together next year moving forward. Clearly Rosie focused on Fangio for the long term thinking here.

Why are we not chasing a ring?

Just now, joemas6 said:

Why are we not chasing a ring?

Because Reddick isn't here? 

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