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Ongoing Eagles New Discussion volume 2

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12 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You really want to make the case about how Siri and Moore are the top O minds in football?

As Joe said. Pick your favorite band. Is the bassist the BEST in the biz? The drummer? Do they have the best agent? Is their sound crew the best there is? I'm going to say NO.it's about how it all works together,weak links and all. yet they found enough success to be your favorite band. How is sports different? How did the dream team work out for us?

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I will say this. I thought losing Ped was a mistake. I understand cleaning house,but I thought he was a soild coach who adapted on the fly and took shots. Siri would never approve the Philly Special. I love guys that take those shots and go off script and make it work. Ped and Lawrence will be a force if they can surround Trevor with the talent Hurts has

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9 hours ago, joemas6 said:

You need psychiatric help with your obsession with Hurts.

It is indeed insane LOL

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8 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Because the rest of the NFL doesn't care about " Emotions from fans"  

It was already a bad look that the previous coach and QB wanted out.   Another coach getting to the SB getting fired again...especially after he brought in 2 coordinators that got hired away.

It's a young coach...not a guy who has 25 -30 years of relationships withing the league to where he has all these coordinators at his disposal. 

Even your boy in KC struggled here after that first wave of his initial staff got hired away.  5 of the last 6 years no playoff wins.  6 of 8 years without playoff wins.    

Very fortunate... Jim Johnson and Spags as DCs who won't get hired away.   Curious to see the record with and without those staples at DC?

Ham has "demanded" it. It must be done

9 hours ago, joemas6 said:

That's the plan... so what if we win the Superbowl and our coordinators don't get hired as head coaches...we get rid of them?    

You’re in LaLa Dreamlamd….we are keeping Fangio though as part of the grand scheme of things here. The changes will come on the O side.

9 hours ago, joemas6 said:

You need psychiatric help with your obsession with Hurts.

You’re thinking about winning the SB with a crap HC….but I’m the one that needs help. You are the one demanding everything from our QB….yet could care less about the quality of coaching he has to overcome to achieve. Hurts craves to win a championship. I do also. Both of us can’t demand something resembling close to a top 10 O minded coach and scheme?

9 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Guy gets hired as a head coach on a 4 win team.  QB who runs a read option, very green on big boy QB play.  Year 2 the team gets to the Superbowl and he loses his 2 coordinators and some additional staff that he brought in.  Coach has franchise all time winning record %.  

They promote the QB's family friend to OC year 3.  Disaster at DC.    Now...

If this is another franchise where you don't give a $h@t about TMZ or have an obsession about the QB...just the facts without any emotion involved 

Would you think it smart to give the young successful coach going into year 4,the ability to regroup and pick some other coordinators and fix some other things?

The key here...no emotional involvement.  Not with the QB...no hatred toward the GM...no " i called it"  ..no " Pedey was done wrong by Rosie ... if this was Cleveland... what do you think the right move would be?

 

What was proven was Siri failed to start his HC career here. What was his record before he had to turn things over to Steichen? Crap record is the answer. Then we face a little adversity with a first time OC….does Siri bring anything to the table to assist the fresh new coordinator? Nope. Next season Siri can go plant some seeds and watch them grow somewhere else. You pretty much said it yourself….without  quality O coach…Siri sucks. So what we need to do is hire the best O minded HC we can. Simple…should just be an obvious fact. Why are you trying to be so happily settling for so much less?

9 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Because the rest of the NFL doesn't care about " Emotions from fans"  

It was already a bad look that the previous coach and QB wanted out.   Another coach getting to the SB getting fired again...especially after he brought in 2 coordinators that got hired away.

It's a young coach...not a guy who has 25 -30 years of relationships withing the league to where he has all these coordinators at his disposal. 

Even your boy in KC struggled here after that first wave of his initial staff got hired away.  5 of the last 6 years no playoff wins.  6 of 8 years without playoff wins.    

Very fortunate... Jim Johnson and Spags as DCs who won't get hired away.   Curious to see the record with and without those staples at DC?

Actually McDermott is say proved to be a very quality and deserving promotion to DC…he was green….it was Rosie that kicked him out too.

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

League parity worked. Teams get more even every year. There are few 'walk overs" but you need to win those games. The loss to AZ last year was inexcusable. Sure every team has a crap game the "should have" won where things were just "off". But winning those is what makes a SB winner. NO team should collapse for multiple games when it matters and I don't care who or what was at fault. The QB needs to lead the team in those trouble times. All around fail down the stretch. We cannot have that again

Yet Hurts put up your 31 points throwing 3 TDs in that game 

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Bucs have Hurts number. What was learned from that debacle??  They didn't just beat us they EMBARRASSED us. Yes we have the talent. IDK how you could think otherwise. The pressure will be on Hurts to perform. he needs to stop the BS college presser remark of "I need to do better" Yes we know that already, or most of us do. There is abounding talent on offense provided by Howie. I hope the new staff will put that together and Hurts hopefully studied all his miscues and missed opportunities. Every team has a weakness,but we are solid in most spots. I see no reason we can't compete for another trip to the SB. Is this lofty? Possibly,but if this comes together as expected,we will be difficult to beat. Must keep our eyes on the prize

We’re rebuilding….until we can hire a top O minded HC next season…hopefully 

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

You demand, LMFAO

You don’t demand Lurie and Rosie hiring a top O mind coach? Guess it’s just easier for you to lick up this slop and blame the QB instead.

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why do we need options BEFORE we see if this works???? You already are defeated if you have a defeatist attitude

It’s referred to as being a realist

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

What about THIS year???? Like all the "special" players you want,you think the Eagles always get first choice? No other teams are vying for the same people? Everyone just wants to be in Philly? LALA land. Clueless

So if we can’t bring in what could be considered a top ten O minded HC how can you possibly be expecting 12 wins?

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

More BS. Very simple,basic schemes need to be executed.....ON THE FIELD. The coaches aren't playing

Players aren’t getting top coaching

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Ham has "demanded" it. It must be done

Why are you so willing to settle for so much less? Yes our team deserves the top O minded HC we can get our hands on. They better make it happen.

What would Brett Favre had been if not for Holgrem and AR coaching him? Yet you demand Hurts be all that with Donald Duck as his coach.

7 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

.........on any Sunday as evidenced by our feeble loss to AZ in which I win could have gotten the team back to right and controlled our destiny again. I agree Hurts was on track for MVP. But most or alot of that was due to the surrounding talent. Hurts made too many mistakes and miscues. This is the year to see if he has grown,learned and progressed which was missing last year. If we saw the best Hurts last year,I fear that won't be enough to hoist a Lombardi. Both WR's had nice numbers,but as far out as it sounds,they could have been even better. Hurts has ignored the middle of the field and he heeds passes between the hash marks to really be an effective QB. He has good short pass accuracy,yet this trait is not being exploited and it's cause for missed yardage. Goedert was misused last year,that's a centerline(between the hashes) receiver and now hopefully we have a slot guy who can offer hurts a window. Hurts needs to see these guys. It can't just be run or deep ball. You need to be good in all facets of the game ALL over the field. if you cannot accomplish this,you are not an MVP caliber QB. Hurts could be very effective if he STOPS the panic. He has the mobility to move in the pocket to buy the needed time. These are all the parts of the game most of us wish to see from him now. The college QBing needs to stop and he needs to graduate into and NFL QB. That is my complaint 

Hurts was MVP candidate last year because it was a weak pool. Purdy was considered a top candidate.  Not every year is going to have elite play.  Last year was a weak year for MVP...just like 2022 was a weak year for team competition.   

7 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

League parity worked. Teams get more even every year. There are few 'walk overs" but you need to win those games. The loss to AZ last year was inexcusable. Sure every team has a crap game the "should have" won where things were just "off". But winning those is what makes a SB winner. NO team should collapse for multiple games when it matters and I don't care who or what was at fault. The QB needs to lead the team in those trouble times. All around fail down the stretch. We cannot have that again

The loss to AZ was due to the defense being gassed and unable to stop the run.  Like I said ..last year's issues weren't going to get fixed...last year!

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

What would Brett Favre had been if not for Holgrem and AR coaching him? Yet you demand Hurts be all that with Donald Duck as his coach.

Just want Hurts to become NFL level passer... he has 2 things working for him that no QB in Eagles history has.... 

1. The extra game

2.  Two stud WRs 

And you can't say OL, TE or RB are anywhere near just average. 

Dude should be lighting up the scoreboard and breaking franchise...PASSING records... not " combo" stuff.

51 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

The loss to AZ was due to the defense being gassed and unable to stop the run.  Like I said ..last year's issues weren't going to get fixed...last year!

That was just embarrassing to be exposed to. I don’t think we were a good run D last season really the whole time. Our 31st ranked pass D helped mask that factor.

50 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Just want Hurts to become NFL level passer... he has 2 things working for him that no QB in Eagles history has.... 

1. The extra game

2.  Two stud WRs 

And you can't say OL, TE or RB are anywhere near just average. 

Dude should be lighting up the scoreboard and breaking franchise...PASSING records... not " combo" stuff.

Another reply from you quoting me talking about Holmgren and AR being such a factor in Favres career….with you completing making sure you list off everything BUT COACHING!

Smitty broke the receptions record in 2022 for our franchise….then AJ broke that this last season. AJ went six straight games with over 125 yards. Somebody has been getting them the ball.

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7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yet Hurts put up your 31 points throwing 3 TDs in that game 

Then an UNPROFESSIONAL DROP when it mattered 31 put up -7 lost=net 24 do the MATH

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7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We’re rebuilding….until we can hire a top O minded HC next season…hopefully 

Siri will stay as long as we make post season. He doesn't have 20 years experience,he is learning on the job also 

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7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You don’t demand Lurie and Rosie hiring a top O mind coach? Guess it’s just easier for you to lick up this slop and blame the QB instead.

Better than you licking Hurts dick? I see your name calling has begun anew. Juvenile(maybe Hurts college boy is rubbing off on you)

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