Detroit I feel has earned their recent position in the hierarchy of the NFC. Feels so weird to say about the Lions. Never uttered that statement about them ever in my life.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Any players that give us a distinct advantage in those two matchups are worth twice as much to us as any so called  market.

Wouldn’t matter if we can’t get to those matchups for those players lol can’t build a team solely focused on beating 1-2 teams there are 30 other teams in the NFL…. And no telling which teams raise up out of nowhere… I’d be more worried about Detroit moving forward v SF or Dallas think both teams fall off…

If not for bad management of the game Lions should have been in the SB 

Just now, Bleedinggreen93 said:

These are great traits for guys to have but we aren’t paying a guy 10m+ to be a strong character and leader lol…. You pay guys to perform….  Also said 10m is about the right range and stated I would not be shocked if a team overpaid him meaning Barkley gets an offer to be paid around Kamara or CMC in that what 14-16m range or even give him highest paid RB money of a teams desperate enough 

I see strong character and leader as very crucial pieces to paying up that extra big money to a top player. These are important aspects that shape each team. Chauncey Gardner Johnson is an easy fresh example. Played fantastic on the field. But not the leader and right kind of locker room presence to lift up others. The pro that sets the example for all the others to follow is a crucial piece to a winning locker room. 

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Wouldn’t matter if we can’t get to those matchups for those players lol can’t build a team solely focused on beating 1-2 teams there are 30 other teams in the NFL…. And no telling which teams raise up out of nowhere… I’d be more worried about Detroit moving forward v SF or Dallas think both teams fall off…

If not for bad management of the game Lions should have been in the SB 

Green Bay is the potential rising team I’m considering. But doesn’t really matter if we fail to get far enough for the Niners matchup to matter…or not. The goal…is the goal. Our odds and legitimate claim towards being any real contender can’t ignore the Niners. They are there every year. A failure to plan a way to beat Santa Clara in the 2024 season isn’t acceptable.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I see strong character and leader as very crucial pieces to paying up that extra big money to a top player. These are important aspects that shape each team. Chauncey Gardner Johnson is an easy fresh example. Played fantastic on the field. But not the leader and right kind of locker room presence to lift up others. The pro that sets the example for all the others to follow is a crucial piece to a winning locker room. 

Didn’t Johnson turn us down lol we offered the man what like a 3 year 24m deal roughly what 8m a year lol clearly was a guy we had interest in that bet on himself to be able to make more 

4 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Wouldn’t matter if we can’t get to those matchups for those players lol can’t build a team solely focused on beating 1-2 teams there are 30 other teams in the NFL…. And no telling which teams raise up out of nowhere… I’d be more worried about Detroit moving forward v SF or Dallas think both teams fall off…

If not for bad management of the game Lions should have been in the SB 

I’m really not so sure at this point I can agree with your statement about focusing so massively on just beating two teams. Feels like I would have agreed and stated the same myself most of my life. But it’s really been beat the cowboys and Niners situation for us for years now.

We can even say how wrong our decision was to not pay Johnson who had another good year for the lions while our secondary just looked old and slow 

Just now, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Didn’t Johnson turn us down lol we offered the man what like a 3 year 24m deal roughly what 8m a year lol clearly was a guy we had interest in that bet on himself to be able to make more 

He was disgruntled over the structuring of that rumored deal. We low balled him really hard in my view. But he isn’t a very bright guy. Has a bad agent. Rumors made his gripe about our offer seem to focus very much on him looking at the cap management hits part of the contract more so than his take home pay.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m really not so sure at this point I can agree with your statement about focusing so massively on just beating two teams. Feels like I would have agreed and stated the same myself most of my life. But it’s really been beat the cowboys and Niners situation for us for years now.

We couldn’t even beat TB like come on now again doesn’t matter if we build the best team ever to play against Dallas/SF if we can’t beat the 30 other teams in the nfl.

Rather just build our team and force the rest to focus on builds team that can stop us not the other way around 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He was disgruntled over the structuring of that rumored deal. We low balled him really hard in my view. But he isn’t a very bright guy. Has a bad agent. Rumors made his gripe about our offer seem to focus very much on him looking at the cap management hits part of the contract more so than his take home pay.

24m that he would be stuck in for 3 years the man just made what 6.5m likely some bonuses for making it to the NFC championship…. And likely to cash in on a new deal this offseason….

mmmmm seems like he bet on himself and good chance it pays off for him 

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

We can even say how wrong our decision was to not pay Johnson who had another good year for the lions while our secondary just looked old and slow 

It was clearly wrong decision. He was a clear playmaker. Felt to me he would have been retained for what I considered very cheap. I felt he was worth much more than our hard ball offer. But I’ll acknowledge and give Rosie credit on he read and understood the league market very well. Nobody came knocking down Ceedy Duce  door to throw that big money he’s been gambling to receive. But …Rosie bailed and moved on from the playmaking S and his very hardball offer to paying much more for a washed up Bradberry and Slay restructure. So just no argument in Rosie screwed up on that move. Half price playmaking S was easily the call over bailing so he could bring back the over the hill CB that even cost way more.

5 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

24m that he would be stuck in for 3 years the man just made what 6.5m likely some bonuses for making it to the NFC championship…. And likely to cash in on a new deal this offseason….

mmmmm seems like he bet on himself and good chance it pays off for him 

He was betting on himself to force the trade to us. Then had a fantastic season. That was the betting on himself. It really didn’t pay off like he thought at all.

I believe Ceedy Duce believes he’s elite and the best. He thought he was earning double digit millions annually last offseason.

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Nobody came knocking down Ceedy Duce  door to throw that big money he’s been gambling to receive

Again Johnson made 8m in one year maybe more depending on incentives and how far Detroit got in the playoffs and likely to get a new deal this year…. I’m going to say he made the right decision he likely to make way more then the 3 year 24m deal we offered him 

To be a Pro Bowler on a SB team to only receive the offer that was rumored to have been given to CGJ from us is very disappointing.

3 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Again Johnson made 8m in one year maybe more depending on incentives and how far Detroit got in the playoffs and likely to get a new deal this year…. I’m going to say he made the right decision he likely to make way more then the 3 year 24m deal we offered him 

I know his contract was like 6.5 mil. Which is just for one season. That’s really not great money. Accepting that average annually over the long term at least eliminates all the risk. Could have got him that big signing bonus money. To lead the league in interceptions and be a Pro Bowler all in a contract season….to only sign 6.5 mil contract is terrible. No idea how you actually can spin that situation into any kind of win for him. Backup rotational DT can even get 10 to 12 mil. 

Other Pro Bowlers are making 30 mil. 50 mil. 6.5? I’d pay a third S that.

What starter that isn’t on a rookie contract only makes 6.5 mil?

That’s Isaac Seumalo money. The guy surrounded by Hall of Famers here. Even in that blessed position he still never stood out. Then blew it in that SB. 

I see the CGJ situation as he really was humbled. Probably what he needed.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

It's all about ceilings if you know a thing or 2 about football

Not really. Its all about where players can reach to fit in your team.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Did you read the following post? Nah don;t bother to see I corrected mit

Thanks for that. I had to say something. You had several posts totally off track …nothing to do with anything I was posting.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Can you say we'd need to take him at 22 and Howie won't do it boys and girls?

Nah…he was third round grade. So I’d expect he’s climbing well into the second now. The first round would be very steep price.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I don't like a 3 down back because if they get hurt,you have no RB's that can take over. You're paying so much for 1 guy there is little room for any BU talent. I mean that would be fine if you had every other piece in place. I would hoaever like to find a guy with some different traits. I thought that was why we got Penny,but he never played. I don;t like 3/4 clones,I like guys with differing skill sets so you can taylor your running  to your op-ponent

Only difference would be actually having a stud starter in the first place. Swift and Sanders both could have been half a two headed monster backfield. But they each were alone instead. Sanders or Seift alone? Or a legit elite playmaker like Saquan? Easy choice there.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yet you want to pay Patrick Queen who you will pay at his high mark? I love your contradictions

That’s what has become tough. I was all about the Patrick Queen trade and extensions last offseason. To correct you. Was willing to pay him big money. Would have been an excellent time to do so. But now you’re right. He’s top dollar. So if you read my thoughts and posts you would have noticed me shifting to Azeez now. The fast vet proven young LB on the rise.