I think Peters can be a heck of a guard this year. I do not think JP can play Tackle. Sure as heck not for 19 games. Pryor is a natural right side of the line player but can fill in wherever. 

Tra was dead on Pryor.  You just all scared of playing the crazy Mel Gibson fan. Afraid he and Desean gonna start dropping bombs in the Post game Yo.

 

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

We'll see. 

Seumalo has established himself as an above average starter at a second-tier position.  He provided value on every snap.

To date, Vatai has shown to be a capable backup at a premier position.  Yet he only provided value in the event of an injury.  He was much less valuable in '18 and '19 only because of circumstance.  If he shows to be a capable starter at tackle, then yes, we was a better pick, being two rounds later.

Both were good picks.

I have no issues with vaitai. It was a good pick considering 5th round and the value you got from that pick  Still going to with the comp pick. However seumalo is making 5 mil less and is a proven Above average starter in the league for the past 2 seasons (again people really need to go watch other teams play and see how bad oline play is around the league). Vaitai is being paid 10 mil a year to see if he can be a full time starter and he never has started more than 10 regular season games in any season. I’m not spending 10 mil to find out he can start a full season. I much rather have peters at LT, sign cordy Glenn as a backup (also was a high paid starter in the league at one time) and keep pryor and seumalo at LG and RG. 

22 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Miles sanders and seumalo disagree with that statement about second best 

How about Wentz and Goedert? Do they count?

Just now, justrelax said:

How about Wentz and Goedert? Do they count?

I think he said second best. Assumption was wentz was already first. Goedert is also up there. 

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

I agree, but...interestingly....Reagor wasn't great value in round 1.  And he happens to be one of the only Howie picks I have ever liked.  Reagor was projected to go a bit lower, while other guys projected higher were on the board.  Reagor would have been my pick in that spot too though.

Barnett was not good value that high in round 1.  Neither was Hurts in round 2.  

He just seems all over the place with his drafts.  Some years, the emphasis aggressively swings towards bad athletes and high motor football players.  Other years, it's all about statistical production in the NCAA.  And this year, it was all about great raw athletes.  It's like he has no idea how to approach the draft and over-corrects with a new flavor each year.

I agree i liked the reagor pick as well though lots of pundits argued he went to high.

I agree that Howie has been all over the place when it comes to his drafts.

Which i think in part has to do with different GMs and what coaches want and it seems that changes as the league evolves and changes as well.

I think the most successful franchises are those that know exactly what they want then identify those players that fit what they want to do and put them in a position to succeed in what they identified they wanted and thought they could do. Teams like steelers and Pats have been really good at identifying players that can do what they need them to do then putting them in position to do that. They dont often draft players that dont fit what theyre doing though there are exceptions.

Sometimes injuries happen and players are put in position to do things that they werent exactly drafted to do but too many times seems howie is drafting a guy out of value or sparq score without considering whether that guy even can do what one has identified as needing a player to do.

Example Chris Gocong. ( though not a howie run draft)Like the player like the talent like the value of the pick dont like that he doesnt fit a 43 defense and was a square peg in jj defense. He fit a 34 defense to a T and so eagles brass either misidentified what he could do or were asking him to do something he hadnt been identified as able to do.

So yeah i agree Howie needs to be less scattered and more specific and focused with his drafts

He seems to be better at UDFA then actual drafts and better at trades and even FA but not so much drafting.

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

Objectively the Eagles changed their draft strategy this year to draft athletic players over college production.

If Reagor, Wallace, Driscoll, and Hightower become starters and even if Taylor becomes a solid ST player this draft will be seen as extremely successful — not by Eagles standards, but by NFL standards.  Generally if a team comes out of a draft with even 3 guys starting after 3 seasons it’s evaluated as a good draft.  Time will tell.

yup. seems the Raiders had a good run drafting fast guys with high athletic traits so its worked in the past. 

Key with drafting a bunch of athletes over production is one has to coach them up.

Personally i like the strategy. Id rather have a bunch of hyper athletic fast guys to work with then a bunch of guys that were productive in college and were team captains and seniors but limited athletes.

Drafting senior captains with lots of production but iffy athletic profiles gets you a team of donell pumphreys' Mack Holilins' and Thorsons😒

Not sure if it's just me but... Football is less than 2 weeks away and it doesn't feel it. By this time of year usually I'm like a kid before Christmas but this year? I don't know I'm just not feeling it. 

Maybe I'm still a little skeptical that football will happen? Even though so close to kick off it certainly seems like it will. 

Maybe I'm thinking COVID is going to play a huge part in the season and so this season just doesn't mean all that much. 

Or maybe I'm just thinking this Eagles team is going to be pretty damn bad and so I'm not as geared up for football? I know that's a really negative mindset but I just can't see anything but a struggle for this team. The injuries have already started. The OL is now a mess. The LBs and secondary already had a ton of issues and questions. 

I just can't see it being a very fun year for us as Eagles fans.

14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think he said second best. Assumption was wentz was already first. Goedert is also up there. 

JR's man-crush on Seumalo is well documented.  I think he was confirming that he could put Wentz second on his list.

 

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

JR's man-crush on Seumalo is well documented.  I think he was confirming that he could put Wentz second on his list.

Ah.  I gotcha now. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

 

Its one thing to prioritize OT and if they suck one is sunk.

Decker is pretty good Vaitai well see.

4 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Not sure if it's just me but... Football is less than 2 weeks away and it doesn't feel it. By this time of year usually I'm like a kid before Christmas but this year? I don't know I'm just not feeling it. 

Maybe I'm still a little skeptical that football will happen? Even though so close to kick off it certainly seems like it will. 

Maybe I'm thinking COVID is going to play a huge part in the season and so this season just doesn't mean all that much. 

Or maybe I'm just thinking this Eagles team is going to be pretty damn bad and so I'm not as geared up for football? I know that's a really negative mindset but I just can't see anything but a struggle for this team. The injuries have already started. The OL is now a mess. The LBs and secondary already had a ton of issues and questions. 

I just can't see it being a very fun year for us as Eagles fans.

And then you realize that every other team in the league is in the same boat.

Just now, Utebird said:

Its one thing to prioritize OT and if they suck one is sunk.

Decker is pretty good Vaitai well see.

Frankly i think vaitai was better at LT then he was at RT 

1 hour ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Well, let's take a look at the first three rounds, where, IMO, you need to hit.  (Focusing on picks after Chip)

• Wentz is a hit (this pick tends to get underappreciated, but look at other teams that continuously miss on their QB).
• Seumalo is an unspectacularly good pick in the third round.
• Barnett is a miss relative to where he was chosen.  May still end up being a solid starter, but that is not enough from a draft spot that should have delivered a "strength".  His career may still end up following the path Graham's took.
• Jones and Douglas are absolute misses.  Howie deserves criticism for missing two picks at the same position on consecutive picks.
• Goedert is a pretty good pick for outside the top-50.
• Dillard is still an incomplete grade.
• Sanders is a great pick.
• JJAW is also pending.  We should see this season.

IMO, the failures in the 2017 draft put the team's development on hold.  The past two drafts ('19 and '20) are cause for optimism.

The 2019 draft doesn't look great if the Shareef Miller is cut unless JJAW turns into a decent player.  

3 minutes ago, Green Dog said:

And then you realize that every other team in the league is in the same boat.

Oh yeah of course I'm absolutely not denying that. 

2 years minimum before you can judge draft picks.

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

The 2019 draft doesn't look great if the Shareef Miller is cut unless JJAW turns into a decent player.  

Miller was the final compensatory pick in the fourth round.  Yes, you'd like to hit on day-3 picks.  But it shouldn't be a significant part of the evaluation.

 

Just now, Green Dog said:

2 years minimum before you can judge draft picks.

So there is still hope for the Clayton Thorson pick?

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Miller was the final compensatory pick in the fourth round.  Yes, you'd like to hit on day-3 picks.  But it shouldn't be a significant part of the evaluation.

 

So there is still hope for the Clayton Thorson pick?

I still think Miller was overdrafted. But then again i wasn’t as high on him 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

So there is still hope for the Clayton Thorson pick?

Maybe if Dak and Dalton get COVID

7 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

 

 

The old sign fournette then trade kamara for future picks...

actually with the saints Oline 1 year of fournette at 4 million beats paying kamara 11-13 mil per year when his contract is up after this year. Use the picks then to add another back

18 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I agree i liked the reagor pick as well though lots of pundits argued he went to high.

I agree that Howie has been all over the place when it comes to his drafts.

Which i think in part has to do with different GMs and what coaches want and it seems that changes as the league evolves and changes as well.

I think the most successful franchises are those that know exactly what they want then identify those players that fit what they want to do and put them in a position to succeed in what they identified they wanted and thought they could do. Teams like steelers and Pats have been really good at identifying players that can do what they need them to do then putting them in position to do that. They dont often draft players that dont fit what theyre doing though there are exceptions.

Sometimes injuries happen and players are put in position to do things that they werent exactly drafted to do but too many times seems howie is drafting a guy out of value or sparq score without considering whether that guy even can do what one has identified as needing a player to do.

Example Chris Gocong. ( though not a howie run draft)Like the player like the talent like the value of the pick dont like that he doesnt fit a 43 defense and was a square peg in jj defense. He fit a 34 defense to a T and so eagles brass either misidentified what he could do or were asking him to do something he hadnt been identified as able to do.

So yeah i agree Howie needs to be less scattered and more specific and focused with his drafts

He seems to be better at UDFA then actual drafts and better at trades and even FA but not so much drafting.

 

I don't think anyone has insight into the actual process.  I mean the Hurts picks is only explained if they think there's an issue with Wentz or they are just picking the BPA.  Well the rest of the draft, including the Reagor pick, looks like they are picking based on need.  

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

Miller was the final compensatory pick in the fourth round.  Yes, you'd like to hit on day-3 picks.  But it shouldn't be a significant part of the evaluation.

 

So there is still hope for the Clayton Thorson pick?

I know you were looking at the first three rounds.  I just have a hard time being optimistic about that draft given that Dillard and JJAW are question marks at this point. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Maybe if Dak and Dalton get COVID

He would likely be picked by Covid 

5 hours ago, TEW said:

You could look into community college courses. They're probably all online and he could carry credit into college. Do it right and he might be able to graduate early.

If he's just interested in learning rather than getting credit for courses, there are a bunch of free online resources to learn this stuff. 

https://www.khanacademy.org/science/electrical-engineering

MIT has some resources as well. https://ocw.mit.edu/index.htm

 

They are a little older versions of courses, but it's MIT as well.

10 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

 

 

Correct move