November 16, 20231 yr 23 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said: Yeah I feel like it was less Chip took Lane and more like the Eagles as a whole came to that decision basically after Miami made the choice for them. Another part of Chip getting too much credit here. Also people were bashing Howie mostly due to the "Dream Team” and the fireman. There’s was also this unfair idea that Howie drafted the bad players, but Reid and Chip drafted the good ones. We know now the Eagles rely highly on their scouts, and the draft process is more of a collective unit than one particular person. Howie only took the heat for Marcus Smith right? So Howie is that pick only on Howie, but Chip is the one who drafted Lane? I never said he drafted Lane, only that he pushed for him and Ertz. Also, I think many of us loved Hicks as a player, it was just that he could never stay healthy. At least when he was on field he contributed, but he was always on IR, lol.
November 16, 20231 yr 1 minute ago, MF POON said: I never said he drafted Lane, only that he pushed for him and Ertz. Also, I think many of us loved Hicks as a player, it was just that he could never stay healthy. At least when he was on field he contributed, but he was always on IR, lol. I have a ton of respect for what Agholor did for the Eagles in the Super Bowl, but I was okay with them moving on from him. The same goes for Hicks. I don’t know about the Ertz situation so I’ll give you that one. He pushed real hard for Ertz, but Lane was basically a default pick. Chip pushed for Jordan, but he didn’t get him.
November 17, 20231 yr @MF POON I have been trying to find anything that proves Lane Johnson was a Chip pick and then I ran square into this quote. ”Lane Johnson's agent says his client was Roseman's pick, not Kelly's - Morning Call Sarnoff is not only impressed with the way Roseman handles business, but disheartened to hear that he has never received enough credit. He mentioned the drafting of Johnson as a prime example. "I'll go on the record and say people called Lane Johnson a Chip Kelly pick," Sarnoff said. "Howie was the GM at the time. I've never understood why he didn't get credit for that. It was always `Chip, Chip, Chip.' [Roseman] was the one who was the general manager, and I always thought he should have gotten credit for Lane being drafted and being drafted [No.] 4 [overall]. "I look back at that draft, and there was an Oregon kid (Dion Jordan) that could have been jumped and they could have gotten. For whatever it is, Howie made the pick and Lane Johnson's an Eagle." https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/1/30/10873502/eagles-news-lane-johnson-howie-roseman-chip-kelly-draft-pick-contract-details Overall Chip is getting all of this credit for picks he never made. How are people saying Chip picked Lane, but Howie picked Marcus Smith? I’m sure Chip had input on all selections made while he was here, but Howie’s the one who made the moves for better or worse. I find it funnny that people are making fun of Gannon for lying to his players, but what about all of the lies Chip told? From telling Jackson he wasn’t going to release him then flat out doing that. Using Vick to get order back on his team and then dumping him. Saying the Nick Foles was his guy only to not allow him to come back from injury and then trading him away. Speaking of Jackson does anyone remember those so called gang rumors that came out back then? Anyone else ever bring that up again? Can’t prove that Chip Kelly made that crap up, but it sure helped soften the blow of dumping Jackson for nothing. Chip Kelly is a weasel.
November 17, 20231 yr How come Bryan Braman and Chris Maragos aren't listed as free agents that were signed when Chip Kelly was head coach? They were both very good additions. Or was it intentional to simply omit the good ones? Also, I would think it's obvious that Chip wasn't behind the Marcus Smith pick based on the fact that he seemed to go out of his way to keep him on the bench. If he had been the one clamoring for him, he'd certainly have made an effort to justify the pick by letting him play. To me that seems pretty clear cut.
November 17, 20231 yr 4 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said: How come Bryan Braman and Chris Maragos aren't listed as free agents that were signed when Chip Kelly was head coach? They were both very good additions. Or was it intentional to simply omit the good ones? Also, I would think it's obvious that Chip wasn't behind the Marcus Smith pick based on the fact that he seemed to go out of his way to keep him on the bench. If he had been the one clamoring for him, he'd certainly have made an effort to justify the pick by letting him play. To me that seems pretty clear cut. The point is that Chip wasn’t in control of the picks until he forced Howie out period. Did he have input on the selections? I’m sure to an extent, but Howie was the one making the picks. You can’t cherry pick players and say Chip got the good ones and Howie picked the bad ones. Clearly Chip had nothing to do with the Smith pick, because he went out of his way to make sure that guy did everything but the one thing he was known to do in college and that was rush the passer.
November 17, 20231 yr 16 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said: The point is that Chip wasn’t in control of the picks until he forced Howie out period. Did he have input on the selections? I’m sure to an extent, but Howie was the one making the picks. You can’t cherry pick players and say Chip got the good ones and Howie picked the bad ones. Clearly Chip had nothing to do with the Smith pick, because he went out of his way to make sure that guy did everything but the one thing he was known to do in college and that was rush the passer. Smith saw snaps in 37 games for the Eagles under 2 different coaches, and then 14 games with the Seahawks, the fact is he was never worth near a first round pick, trying to imply his problems were Chip stitching up a Howie pick is horseshit. If Howie has a draft blind spot it's Defensive Ends in the first round, since Big Red picked Graham in '10, Howie's swung and missed on Smith and got underwhelming in Barnett and so far Nolan Smith.
November 17, 20231 yr 2 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: Smith saw snaps in 37 games for the Eagles under 2 different coaches, and then 14 games with the Seahawks, the fact is he was never worth near a first round pick, trying to imply his problems were Chip stitching up a Howie pick is horseshit. If Howie has a draft blind spot it's Defensive Ends in the first round, since Big Red picked Graham in '10, Howie's swung and missed on Smith and got underwhelming in Barnett and so far Nolan Smith. I’m not trying to tell you Smith was a good pick only that Chip never even tried to use him properly. Acting like a maniacal, petty, vindictive, egotistical a-hole like Kelly wouldn’t purposefully do that is why people still look a Kotite lite so fondly. Acting like Chip picked all the good players and Howie picked all the bad ones is poor revisionist history.
November 17, 20231 yr I don't really see the point in arguing over who picked who. The bottom line is when Kelly finally got full control and sent Howie to the basement, he was an unmitigated disaster. He bought into his own hype so much he thought he could ship out talented players and replace them with less-talented system guys. The wheels completely fell off, and he was rightfully fired. Bringing him in was an interesting experiment that started out pretty fun at first, but he wasn't cut out for the NFL, and he certainly wasn't capable of being both a HC and the team's GM.
November 17, 20231 yr 22 hours ago, MF POON said: Word was Chip really pushed for Lane and Ertz, which is why he gets a lot of the credit for those picks. Lane was always the obvious pick at four, though. I was actually in the US (San Francisco) at the time and got my colours on to watch the draft in a bar. I think I called the first five or six picks, they all seemed really straightforward. Being able to watch the draft over there was a brilliant experience, even if only in a bar, because I wasn't sat home along in the midddle of the night watching!
November 17, 20231 yr 20 hours ago, EazyEaglez said: Yeah I feel like it was less Chip took Lane and more like the Eagles as a whole came to that decision basically after Miami made the choice for them. Another part of Chip getting too much credit here. Also people were bashing Howie mostly due to the "Dream Team” and the fireman. There’s was also this unfair idea that Howie drafted the bad players, but Reid and Chip drafted the good ones. We know now the Eagles rely highly on their scouts, and the draft process is more of a collective unit than one particular person. Howie only took the heat for Marcus Smith right? So Howie is that pick only on Howie, but Chip is the one who drafted Lane? Ugh, I had almost forgotten we wasted a first round pick on a guy who didn't even want to play football
November 17, 20231 yr On 11/15/2023 at 1:22 AM, EazyEaglez said: Looks like the Chippah is on his way out. Not surprising given UCLA (and USC) moving to the Big 10 next season. They likely would face a disaster with Chip in the Big 10.
November 17, 20231 yr 5 hours ago, kiwinavega said: Ugh, I had almost forgotten we wasted a first round pick on a guy who didn't even want to play football Which time? 😂
November 17, 20231 yr 5 hours ago, kiwinavega said: Ugh, I had almost forgotten we wasted a first round pick on a guy who didn't even want to play football 9 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said: Which time? 😂
November 17, 20231 yr 1 minute ago, VaBeach_Eagle said: There were several reasons why I was in full support of putting Howie in the basement in the past. That was one of the reasons why. 😂
November 17, 20231 yr On 11/16/2023 at 10:57 AM, EazyEaglez said: This is the year Chip drafted without Howie. Where are those great players? 😂 Agholor had a TD last night and I forgot he was even in the league.
November 17, 20231 yr 29 minutes ago, NOTW said: Agholor had a TD last night and I forgot he was even in the league. Agholor has actually carved himself out a solid career. He just hasn’t been 1st round material, but he’s way better than everyone Howie drafted not named Smith.
November 17, 20231 yr Howie and Smolenski after finally realizing Bernard Williams has been an Eagle longer than the last time the Cowboys won a Super Bowl. 😂 https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2023/11/16/eagles-waive-51-year-old-bernard-williams-from-reserve-suspended-list/71615720007/
November 18, 20231 yr 11 hours ago, EazyEaglez said: So the Eagles finally waived Bernard Williams after all these years? 😂 He was here so long ago that I'd completely forgotten about his issues that ended his career. I have clear memories of being at work and discussing the '94 draft, but I don't remember who I wanted the Eagles to take or any of the details. 1994/95-ish is right around the time frame of when I discovered the Philadelphia Inquirer online and I was "through the roof" with happiness. Up until then, I had to drive into Norfolk (30 minute drive from my home) to a mall (which no longer exists), to go to a news stand that carried the physical Inquirer paper. What took the Eagles so long to release him? Since he was still technically a member of the team, did he get an LII ring? lol
November 18, 20231 yr Author Myles Jack has un-retired. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/myles-jack-may-re-join-steelers-after-un-retiring
November 18, 20231 yr 17 hours ago, EazyEaglez said: Agholor has actually carved himself out a solid career. He just hasn’t been 1st round material, but he’s way better than everyone Howie drafted not named Smith. Agreed. We can't all be Randy Moss or Hank Baskett. Sometimes, a good career is good enough
November 18, 20231 yr Author Seahawks sign Jason Peters from their practice squad to their active 53. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/seahawks-sign-jason-peters-to-active-roster
November 18, 20231 yr 8 hours ago, VaBeach_Eagle said: He was here so long ago that I'd completely forgotten about his issues that ended his career. I have clear memories of being at work and discussing the '94 draft, but I don't remember who I wanted the Eagles to take or any of the details. 1994/95-ish is right around the time frame of when I discovered the Philadelphia Inquirer online and I was "through the roof" with happiness. Up until then, I had to drive into Norfolk (30 minute drive from my home) to a mall (which no longer exists), to go to a news stand that carried the physical Inquirer paper. What took the Eagles so long to release him? Since he was still technically a member of the team, did he get an LII ring? lol From what I’ve read he was basically inactive so long they forgot he was there. He wasn’t getting any credits to retirement. No pension. No pay and he was on the suspension list. 😂
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