2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Mailata, Smith. Maybe Barkley?

That's all I got.

I'm curious if he ends up needing surgery. We never heard what was nagging him all season, but he wasn't himself.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

I'm curious if he ends up needing surgery. We never heard what was nagging him all season, but he wasn't himself.

Who, Mailata?

14 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Here's a question:

List the current starters on offense that you would NOT cut RIGHT NOW if you magically could for a completely magically free $0 cap hit. Complete and total cap savings of whatever their contract is for the length of the contract.

I want to see everyone's list.

DeVonta Smith

Lane Johnson

Jordan Mailata

Saquon Barkley

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Who, Mailata?

Yeah. He didn't seem like himself. That may happen without a PB playing next to you.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Howie really screwed up with the structure and extent of contracts that the offense has. He did an incredible job building the most talented roster in the NFL over a 3 year span, one that won a SB and went to 2.

But they are so hamstrung by their financial commitments to an ineffective, declining offense that it will lead to the premature disbanding of this defense and precludes them from tweaking the offense.

They are STUCK with this exact roster minus defensive losses for next year.

It all came to a head right when the roster was ready to compete for, and win a super bowl. Now, just like after 2017, we will have to rebuild. NFL is always cyclical. This should be expected. Not a flaw in Howie's roster management. If anything, hes proven twice now that he knows exactly how to do it. Itll eventually be torn down, and then he will be the guy we should all want building it back up. Just like I said after 2017 when people were mad at his contracts and free agent misses.

26 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

After watching that 4th down interaction... I was thinking about Nick Foles and HIS philly special call. He knew what he wanted to do, not just a bunch of blank stares.

Thought the EXACT same thing. Not only that, the QB and HC were on the same page and didn't hesitate. That'll never happen with this current group.

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Well, for the most highly paid offense, where guys are aging some, it's not overly surprising. If we did this for other teams, I think it wouldn't be drastically different. Looking at the Chiefs -- other than Mahomes, Trey Smith, Creed Humphrey, Xavier Worthy and Pacheco, who else is a must keep?

Yea, the way the question was framed leads to different answers depending on what the thought process is. A lot of people say Lane. I love Lane and have no problem with him being back next year. But if I'm given the option to get out of his contract with no dead money consequences, I would sacrifice one more year of him for that. But it's not a decision that reflects on the player he is, or even his salary.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

I do think Lurie is looking at ‘everything’…including Nick. He has to want the revolving door at OC to stop. There’s only one obvious way to do that

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Howie really screwed up with the structure and extent of contracts that the offense has. He did an incredible job building the most talented roster in the NFL over a 3 year span, one that won a SB and went to 2.

But they are so hamstrung by their financial commitments to an ineffective, declining offense that it will lead to the premature disbanding of this defense and precludes them from tweaking the offense.

They are STUCK with this exact roster minus defensive losses for next year.

Who are they going to lose on defense? They can ride out most players and make the O changes in a year

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

It all came to a head right when the roster was ready to compete for, and win a super bowl. Now, just like after 2017, we will have to rebuild. NFL is always cyclical. This should be expected. Not a flaw in Howie's roster management. If anything, hes proven twice now that he knows exactly how to do it. Itll eventually be torn down, and then he will be the guy we should all want building it back up. Just like I said after 2017 when people were mad at his contracts and free agent misses.

Honestly, this roster and the cap allocations are set up nicely to transition spending from offense to defense over the next few years. It's just that we don't have flexibility to take massive cap hits for dumping the guys on offense. We won't lose anyone on defense that is a MUST keep -- like last year, we'll lose guys who get overpaid to go elsewhere (Milt, Sweat, Slay), but guys like Carter, Q and Coop will all be retained, along with likely JD and maybe Phillips. You'll lose Dean, maybe Reed.

28 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

yeah but thats a crock of baloney too. Brees was short. You dont have to scramble to the sideline and throw the ball away. You can move around INSIDE the pocket and find a lane.

Maybe he is just not good lol

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea, the way the question was framed leads to different answers depending on what the thought process is. A lot of people say Lane. I love Lane and have no problem with him being back next year. But if I'm given the option to get out of his contract with no dead money consequences, I would sacrifice one more year of him for that. But it's not a decision that reflects on the player he is, or even his salary.

Lane and Barkley for me are almost must keeps from a locker room perspective.

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah. He didn't seem like himself. That may happen without a PB playing next to you.

I think it was just the toll of a long 2024 season + how heavy of a run team they were. Playing next to Dickerson this year probably didn't help. I would be surprised if he needed surgery unless it was a clean up procedure. He's been doing all his weekly radio shows and never indicated anything was seriously hampering him.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah

Same as everything else. Mailata is a product of his environment - especially for a guy who has learned the position as an adult - he takes instruction and does what he is coached. When the coaching fails - he isn't going to be the guy that stands up and says something outside the box. (Something a guy like Lane or Jason Peters could have/would have done).

I don't think it's much of a mystery why Lane didn't go yesterday. Had it been last year, 1000% chance Lane goes. This year - "nope, not risking my health for this dumpster fire"

Wake up folks - changes coming soon!

3 minutes ago, McMVP said:

I do think Lurie is looking at ‘everything’…including Nick. He has to want the revolving door at OC to stop. There’s only one obvious way to do that

I think I saw recently the whole NFL has turned over an OC since 2021

14 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

I think there is probably more to it. Not only are they talking to Nick about KP being fired, but probably what it would look like with a new OC. If they are smart they realize they need Nick to be hands off with the offense the way he is with the defense. He can't interject his horrible offensive ideas or his ultra conservative mindset into what a new guy wants to do. I'm sure Nick is pushing back and we'll see if he stays, but they aren't simple conversations.

Had to stay away for a day for obvious reasons!

I think the fundamental problem is the offense was built around an elite OL, 3 stars, a scheme that relied heavily on early runs to set up 3rd and short, and big strike throws off play action and man to man coverage outside without safety help.

That worked to perfection in 2024, the collapse of the OL exposed the scheme and they couldn't adjust.

Part was Putullo, but a lot was personnel, Goedert can't block the way he used to, Calcaterra can't block at all, Dotson was a flop, Cooper was hurt and the scheme wasn't designed to get players open against two deep shells, which the league used against them when it was clear they couldn't run. The OL and TEs were a big part of the failure of the run game, but so was the inability to adjust to teams targeting Barkley, they simply didn't develop a short passing game that they could use to exploit deep safeties and LBs keying on Barkley. And the lack of a short passing game and schemes to get receivers open quickly forced a decent pass blocking group (still above average) to hold blocks too long as Hurts couldn't find anyone open.

Blame goes all around, but Howie needs to do a reset, eat dead money, dump some veterans, accept that 2024 is history and build for 2027.

1) trade Brown, it's one thing to be a pain in the ass, quite another to be so then come up small when it counted, 3 key drops that could have changed the game. One advantage of trading him is to move to an offense that's not build around 3 stars, which is one reason it's so predictable, got to salve those egos. Use Cooper like Avant, get a #2 who doesn't need 120 throws, dump Dotson, and between Wilson and a serviceable #4, start spreading the ball around more.

2) move on from Goedert, he's expensive, injury prone and has become a one trick pony. Stop hoping he'll get through another season. They need to totally revamp TE, dump Calcaterra as well, a mediocre receiving H-back who can't block is a liability.

3) extend Bigsby and use him, he's a better power runner than Barkley and will help soften up opposing defensive lines

4) rebuild the OL, determine if Dickinson and Jurgens can recover 100%, prepare for Lane to retire, and build young quality depth.

On defense, move on from Blankenship if he costs real ($10+M) money, there's only so much to go around and he's not a priority. As well as Phillips played, his injury history says don't break the bank. Same with Dean.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

I think there is probably more to it. Not only are they talking to Nick about KP being fired, but probably what it would look like with a new OC. If they are smart they realize they need Nick to be hands off with the offense the way he is with the defense. He can't interject his horrible offensive ideas or his ultra conservative mindset into what a new guy wants to do. I'm sure Nick is pushing back and we'll see if he stays, but they aren't simple conversations.

It's simpler than that. It's only been 24 hours. How long before the Commanders moved on from Kingsbury? It usually plays out in a few days not always 24 hours. Not unusual at all

Just now, austinfan said:

Had to stay away for a day for obvious reasons!

I think the fundamental problem is the offense was built around an elite OL, 3 stars, a scheme that relied heavily on early runs to set up 3rd and short, and big strike throws off play action and man to man coverage outside without safety help.

That worked to perfection in 2024, the collapse of the OL exposed the scheme and they couldn't adjust.

Part was Putullo, but a lot was personnel, Goedert can't block the way he used to, Calcaterra can't block at all, Dotson was a flop, Cooper was hurt and the scheme wasn't designed to get players open against two deep shells, which the league used against them when it was clear they couldn't run. The OL and TEs were a big part of the failure of the run game, but so was the inability to adjust to teams targeting Barkley, they simply didn't develop a short passing game that they could use to exploit deep safeties and LBs keying on Barkley. And the lack of a short passing game and schemes to get receivers open quickly forced a decent pass blocking group (still above average) to hold blocks too long as Hurts couldn't find anyone open.

Blame goes all around, but Howie needs to do a reset, eat dead money, dump some veterans, accept that 2024 is history and build for 2027.

1) trade Brown, it's one thing to be a pain in the ass, quite another to be so then come up small when it counted, 3 key drops that could have changed the game. One advantage of trading him is to move to an offense that's not build around 3 stars, which is one reason it's so predictable, got to salve those egos. Use Cooper like Avant, get a #2 who doesn't need 120 throws, dump Dotson, and between Wilson and a serviceable #4, start spreading the ball around more.

2) move on from Goedert, he's expensive, injury prone and has become a one trick pony. Stop hoping he'll get through another season. They need to totally revamp TE, dump Calcaterra as well, a mediocre receiving H-back who can't block is a liability.

3) extend Bigsby and use him, he's a better power runner than Barkley and will help soften up opposing defensive lines

4) rebuild the OL, determine if Dickinson and Jurgens can recover 100%, prepare for Lane to retire, and build young quality depth.

On defense, move on from Blankenship if he costs real ($10+M) money, there's only so much to go around and he's not a priority. As well as Phillips played, his injury history says don't break the bank. Same with Dean.

I get people saying move on from DG, but what options are out there? They need OL, CB, or DL at the top of the draft. They could do a lot worse.

3 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

I think I saw recently the whole NFL has turned over an OC since 2021

Well, yeah… Probably so. But for teams like the Rams, Chiefs, Vikings, Packers, 49ers, colts, etc.… The changes at OC don’t mean as much

17 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Yep. Hurts has gotten so much backlash from media and naysayers alike he seems to have lost confidence in himself - EVEN AFTER winning the Lombardi.

Next time around - Hurts needs to take the bull by the horns and call (or audible into a play) he knows will get it done - not something given to him by others who want to "think for him" or "think they know what's best for him" - especially when it's clear as day the people giving him instruction have no idea what they're doing.

Again...what are you watching? Hurts actually tried changing play and formation at the same time yesterday and it was total chaos. Players were all confused...he was stuck trying to give individual instructions to each player while the clock was ticking. It obviously is not practiced at all. Such a circumstance works best when there are multiple options created out of the same formation, which all successful offenses do. It is easy to check out of and audible of the same formation, but it is much more complicated to change play and formation...we saw the results yesterday. That idiot OC abandoned all that higher level thinking and formation versatility in Week 1. I agree Hurts needs the autonomy, but it is so clear that there was a giant break down in basic communication with the OC.

15 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

opportunity, or lack thereof for replacements. Also still early enough in his time here that they were fully bought in to the "work ethic" and "leadership" and believed he would continue to improve. Which has at best stagnated, but more realistically begun declining with his unwillingness to run.

That looks real bad on them. It took them 3 years to figure out this dude couldn’t beat zone or whatever the supposed complaints are about?

Just now, pgcd3 said:

It's simpler than that. It's only been 24 hours. How long before the Commanders moved on from Kingsbury? It usually plays out in a few days not always 24 hours. Not unusual at all

We want to know ASAP but there should be no worry as far as other candidates.

I am sure they are reaching out to agents already and people know that Patullo is out and that this is a great job.

I think everyone else thinks Siri is 99% safe. I think he is 25% safe. They may be reaching out to HC candidates as well.

If they are going to overhaul the offensive coaches and bring in a fresh mind, I don’t know how you move off of AJ. Obviously he was awful yesterday and a conversation needs to be had between him, Howie, Nick, and Hurts to see if that relationship is even salvageable. But why wouldn’t you want him in this offense with a coordinator who actually knows what he’s doing?