39 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

How much would your balls feel kicked if we get news soon that Fangio and/or Stoutland are retiring?

I'm honestly a bit down on Stoutland. It's going to suck when he's gone, but the sting would be a lot less after this year then say last year.

18 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Mike Kafka?

I'd be fine with that but I'm not sure he qualifies as a proven offensive mind

9 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

After watching that 4th down interaction... I was thinking about Nick Foles and HIS philly special call. He knew what he wanted to do, not just a bunch of blank stares.

Yep. Hurts has gotten so much backlash from media and naysayers alike he seems to have lost confidence in himself - EVEN AFTER winning the Lombardi.

Next time around - Hurts needs to take the bull by the horns and call (or audible into a play) he knows will get it done - not something given to him by others who want to "think for him" or "think they know what's best for him" - especially when it's clear as day the people giving him instruction have no idea what they're doing.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Here's a question:

List the current starters on offense that you would NOT cut RIGHT NOW if you magically could for a completely magically free $0 cap hit.

I want to see everyone's list.

Mailata

Dickerson (I'd like to see if he can rebound)

Steen (he's fine and cheap)

Lane

Barkley

DeVonta

I'd cut Hurts if we could just rip up the contract with no cap hit and start over. I don't dislike him, but if I can get out of that contract scott-free, sure.

Jurgens, again -- I'd move on if we could for free

AJ, same

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

I'd be fine with that but I'm not sure he qualifies as a proven offensive mind

Kafka is interviewing in AZ for the HC job. He might not get it but it's indicative of how things might take 2 weeks to play out. All the top names and beyond are still in the mix for HC jobs

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Here's a question:

List the current starters on offense that you would NOT cut RIGHT NOW if you magically could for a completely magically free $0 cap hit.

I want to see everyone's list.

I assume you mean cut or trade…

Mailata

Smitty

Lane

Dickerson (if he’s not done physically)

Edit…and Saquon

Just now, Ace Nova said:

Yep. Hurts has gotten so much backlash from media and naysayers alike he seems to have lost confidence in himself - EVEN AFTER winning the Lombardi.

Next time around - Hurts needs to take the bull by the horns and call (or audible into a play) he knows will get it done - not something given to him by others who want to "think for him" and "think they know what's best for him".

I just don't think that's his personality as the son of a coach. He's going to run the play that's called unless given the freedom to audible.

13 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Yikes

The hell happened to him? I thought it was just an ankle fracture

50 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Barkley maybe maybe not. But yes I am interested in considering what a full hard reset would look like. In order to not saddle a new OC with this QB and a diva WR who may be in decline. I get that there is tons of dead cap that will limit cap space.

Im can live with letting Davis walk. Our interior rush was not effective enough for most of the season. Or, if there is long term concern over Carter' shoulders keep davis and let Carter walk. I could live with either scenario. They werent good enough and one may have long term health concerns.

Im definitely OK with no re-signing Nolan Smith. In fact, thats preferred.

Id want to still be able to sign DeJean and Mitchell, and hope that money begins to clear up in time to sign Hunt and Campbell. And probably another contract for DeVante Smith.

Wait until Howie signs PIckens

Most of me feels that this team with Howie and a well run organization that knows it needs to revamp the offensive staff. Team has a super young defense, a talented offense, extra picks, a great DC.

But there is a part of me that wonders if 2024 will be the peak of the Sirianni era. Reporters even from camp in 2024 were talking about how hungry and motivated and locked in the team was after 2023 collapsed and 2022 was unjustly stolen from them. And the entire season they never lost it. I'm wondering if 2024 was just a year where they poured everything into it. Their blood, sweat, tears, personal health... and they reached the top of the mountain. And it's like the hero at the end of the movie who sacrificed himself to defeat the final villain. Because the team this season didn't look as locked in, didn't look as healthy, didn't look as hungry or motivated, didn't look as focused or detail oriented.

1 minute ago, McMVP said:

I assume you mean cut or trade…

Mailata

Smitty

Lane

Dickerson (if he’s not done physically)

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Mailata

Dickerson (I'd like to see if he can rebound)

Steen (he's fine and cheap)

Lane

Barkley

DeVonta

I'd cut Hurts if we could just rip up the contract with no cap hit and start over. I don't dislike him, but if I can get out of that contract scott-free, sure.

Jurgens, again -- I'd move on if we could for free

AJ, same

Isn't that a horrifyingly short list?

They have essentially zero opportunity to trim costs on offense this offseason. It's not even about making the offense better. Our opportunity to make the offense better will come through a new OC and new scheme (and that's not some given that they pull it off). It's about making the offense cheaper so they can preserve the defense. And there's almost no way to make that happen.

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I just don't think that's his personality as the son of a coach. He's going to run the play that's called unless given the freedom to audible.

Well, maybe that's the step Hurts need to take in order for him to become the player he truly can be.

We didn't have no major injuries fwiw. Lane missed the back half of the season and never came back. Carter was really never right all season and neither was Landon or Jurgens. Those were all impactful

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Mailata

Dickerson (I'd like to see if he can rebound)

Steen (he's fine and cheap)

Lane

Barkley

DeVonta

I'd cut Hurts if we could just rip up the contract with no cap hit and start over. I don't dislike him, but if I can get out of that contract scott-free, sure.

Jurgens, again -- I'd move on if we could for free

AJ, same

Did Howie sign Cam after he hurt his back? I can't remember. Not a smart move if so.

8 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Here's a question:

List the current starters on offense that you would NOT cut RIGHT NOW if you magically could for a completely magically free $0 cap hit. Complete and total cap savings of whatever their contract is for the length of the contract.

I want to see everyone's list.

Hurts

Just now, Diehardfan said:

Did Howie sign Cam after he hurt his back? I can't remember. Not a smart move if so.

Yes, we extended him last offseason. I was OK with it, but I really didn't think he'd still be this compromised by the back issues.

8 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Here's a question:

List the current starters on offense that you would NOT cut RIGHT NOW if you magically could for a completely magically free $0 cap hit. Complete and total cap savings of whatever their contract is for the length of the contract.

I want to see everyone's list.

Mailata, Smith. Maybe Barkley?

That's all I got.

7 minutes ago, DaBirds said:

So if Hurts is that awful and the teammates and coaches think he stinks why did they sign him to that contract?

opportunity, or lack thereof for replacements. Also still early enough in his time here that they were fully bought in to the "work ethic" and "leadership" and believed he would continue to improve. Which has at best stagnated, but more realistically begun declining with his unwillingness to run.

9 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Here's a question:

List the current starters on offense that you would NOT cut RIGHT NOW if you magically could for a completely magically free $0 cap hit. Complete and total cap savings of whatever their contract is for the length of the contract.

I want to see everyone's list.

Mailata

Steen

Lane

Hurts

DeVonta

Tank

Just now, vikas83 said:

Yes, we extended him last offseason. I was OK with it, but I really didn't think he'd still be this compromised by the back issues.

Backs are usually not the same once you piss them off to the point you need surgery. Especially when your job is to hit 300 pound guys for 45+ plays a game. I guess their doctors must have given the green light, but not sure he needed to rush into that until the summer to see how he was.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Isn't that a horrifyingly short list?

They have essentially zero opportunity to trim costs on offense this offseason. It's not even about making the offense better. Our opportunity to make the offense better will come through a new OC and new scheme (and that's not some given that they pull it off). It's about making the offense cheaper so they can preserve the defense. And there's almost no way to make that happen.

Well, for the most highly paid offense, where guys are aging some, it's not overly surprising. If we did this for other teams, I think it wouldn't be drastically different. Looking at the Chiefs -- other than Mahomes, Trey Smith, Creed Humphrey, Xavier Worthy and Pacheco, who else is a must keep?

7 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Kafka is interviewing in AZ for the HC job. He might not get it but it's indicative of how things might take 2 weeks to play out. All the top names and beyond are still in the mix for HC jobs

We can do better than Kafka, but someone like him is a Lurie hire.

14 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

it was posted weeks ago, and earlier today.

When this initially came out, it was also within a week of reportedly some eagles coaches saying the same thing. There were 2 weeks in a row where supposedly people inside the locker room, players and coaches were speaking out about doubts with our QB.

Gave me hope that we may move on sooner than later.

I don't think McCoy is close with the coaching staff. It could be that BG is his source but who knows. They are not moving on without a plan. This is a Super Bowl roster. They paid Hurts like he was a long-term fit for the roster. I think they view it primarily as a coaching issue. If Hurts pushes the issue and becomes like Carson Wentz about his problems, they will move on quickly. My guess is that Hurts and Sirianni are both on the hot seat next season. It also wouldn't surprise me if they drafted a QB earlier than expected. I mean Allar, Nussmeir and Beck are all potential prospects that could be available in the 3rd.

Howie really screwed up with the structure and extent of contracts that the offense has. He did an incredible job building the most talented roster in the NFL over a 3 year span, one that won a SB and went to 2.

But they are so hamstrung by their financial commitments to an ineffective, declining offense that it will lead to the premature disbanding of this defense and precludes them from tweaking the offense.

They are STUCK with this exact roster minus defensive losses for next year.