7 minutes ago, DaBirds said:

So if Hurts is that awful and the teammates and coaches think he stinks why did they sign him to that contract?

opportunity, or lack thereof for replacements. Also still early enough in his time here that they were fully bought in to the "work ethic" and "leadership" and believed he would continue to improve. Which has at best stagnated, but more realistically begun declining with his unwillingness to run.

9 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Here's a question:

List the current starters on offense that you would NOT cut RIGHT NOW if you magically could for a completely magically free $0 cap hit. Complete and total cap savings of whatever their contract is for the length of the contract.

I want to see everyone's list.

Mailata

Steen

Lane

Hurts

DeVonta

Tank

Just now, vikas83 said:

Yes, we extended him last offseason. I was OK with it, but I really didn't think he'd still be this compromised by the back issues.

Backs are usually not the same once you piss them off to the point you need surgery. Especially when your job is to hit 300 pound guys for 45+ plays a game. I guess their doctors must have given the green light, but not sure he needed to rush into that until the summer to see how he was.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Isn't that a horrifyingly short list?

They have essentially zero opportunity to trim costs on offense this offseason. It's not even about making the offense better. Our opportunity to make the offense better will come through a new OC and new scheme (and that's not some given that they pull it off). It's about making the offense cheaper so they can preserve the defense. And there's almost no way to make that happen.

Well, for the most highly paid offense, where guys are aging some, it's not overly surprising. If we did this for other teams, I think it wouldn't be drastically different. Looking at the Chiefs -- other than Mahomes, Trey Smith, Creed Humphrey, Xavier Worthy and Pacheco, who else is a must keep?

7 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Kafka is interviewing in AZ for the HC job. He might not get it but it's indicative of how things might take 2 weeks to play out. All the top names and beyond are still in the mix for HC jobs

We can do better than Kafka, but someone like him is a Lurie hire.

14 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

it was posted weeks ago, and earlier today.

When this initially came out, it was also within a week of reportedly some eagles coaches saying the same thing. There were 2 weeks in a row where supposedly people inside the locker room, players and coaches were speaking out about doubts with our QB.

Gave me hope that we may move on sooner than later.

I don't think McCoy is close with the coaching staff. It could be that BG is his source but who knows. They are not moving on without a plan. This is a Super Bowl roster. They paid Hurts like he was a long-term fit for the roster. I think they view it primarily as a coaching issue. If Hurts pushes the issue and becomes like Carson Wentz about his problems, they will move on quickly. My guess is that Hurts and Sirianni are both on the hot seat next season. It also wouldn't surprise me if they drafted a QB earlier than expected. I mean Allar, Nussmeir and Beck are all potential prospects that could be available in the 3rd.

Howie really screwed up with the structure and extent of contracts that the offense has. He did an incredible job building the most talented roster in the NFL over a 3 year span, one that won a SB and went to 2.

But they are so hamstrung by their financial commitments to an ineffective, declining offense that it will lead to the premature disbanding of this defense and precludes them from tweaking the offense.

They are STUCK with this exact roster minus defensive losses for next year.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Mailata, Smith. Maybe Barkley?

That's all I got.

I'm curious if he ends up needing surgery. We never heard what was nagging him all season, but he wasn't himself.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

I'm curious if he ends up needing surgery. We never heard what was nagging him all season, but he wasn't himself.

Who, Mailata?

14 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Here's a question:

List the current starters on offense that you would NOT cut RIGHT NOW if you magically could for a completely magically free $0 cap hit. Complete and total cap savings of whatever their contract is for the length of the contract.

I want to see everyone's list.

DeVonta Smith

Lane Johnson

Jordan Mailata

Saquon Barkley

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Who, Mailata?

Yeah. He didn't seem like himself. That may happen without a PB playing next to you.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Howie really screwed up with the structure and extent of contracts that the offense has. He did an incredible job building the most talented roster in the NFL over a 3 year span, one that won a SB and went to 2.

But they are so hamstrung by their financial commitments to an ineffective, declining offense that it will lead to the premature disbanding of this defense and precludes them from tweaking the offense.

They are STUCK with this exact roster minus defensive losses for next year.

It all came to a head right when the roster was ready to compete for, and win a super bowl. Now, just like after 2017, we will have to rebuild. NFL is always cyclical. This should be expected. Not a flaw in Howie's roster management. If anything, hes proven twice now that he knows exactly how to do it. Itll eventually be torn down, and then he will be the guy we should all want building it back up. Just like I said after 2017 when people were mad at his contracts and free agent misses.

26 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

After watching that 4th down interaction... I was thinking about Nick Foles and HIS philly special call. He knew what he wanted to do, not just a bunch of blank stares.

Thought the EXACT same thing. Not only that, the QB and HC were on the same page and didn't hesitate. That'll never happen with this current group.

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Well, for the most highly paid offense, where guys are aging some, it's not overly surprising. If we did this for other teams, I think it wouldn't be drastically different. Looking at the Chiefs -- other than Mahomes, Trey Smith, Creed Humphrey, Xavier Worthy and Pacheco, who else is a must keep?

Yea, the way the question was framed leads to different answers depending on what the thought process is. A lot of people say Lane. I love Lane and have no problem with him being back next year. But if I'm given the option to get out of his contract with no dead money consequences, I would sacrifice one more year of him for that. But it's not a decision that reflects on the player he is, or even his salary.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

I do think Lurie is looking at ‘everything’…including Nick. He has to want the revolving door at OC to stop. There’s only one obvious way to do that

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Howie really screwed up with the structure and extent of contracts that the offense has. He did an incredible job building the most talented roster in the NFL over a 3 year span, one that won a SB and went to 2.

But they are so hamstrung by their financial commitments to an ineffective, declining offense that it will lead to the premature disbanding of this defense and precludes them from tweaking the offense.

They are STUCK with this exact roster minus defensive losses for next year.

Who are they going to lose on defense? They can ride out most players and make the O changes in a year

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

It all came to a head right when the roster was ready to compete for, and win a super bowl. Now, just like after 2017, we will have to rebuild. NFL is always cyclical. This should be expected. Not a flaw in Howie's roster management. If anything, hes proven twice now that he knows exactly how to do it. Itll eventually be torn down, and then he will be the guy we should all want building it back up. Just like I said after 2017 when people were mad at his contracts and free agent misses.

Honestly, this roster and the cap allocations are set up nicely to transition spending from offense to defense over the next few years. It's just that we don't have flexibility to take massive cap hits for dumping the guys on offense. We won't lose anyone on defense that is a MUST keep -- like last year, we'll lose guys who get overpaid to go elsewhere (Milt, Sweat, Slay), but guys like Carter, Q and Coop will all be retained, along with likely JD and maybe Phillips. You'll lose Dean, maybe Reed.

28 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

yeah but thats a crock of baloney too. Brees was short. You dont have to scramble to the sideline and throw the ball away. You can move around INSIDE the pocket and find a lane.

Maybe he is just not good lol

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea, the way the question was framed leads to different answers depending on what the thought process is. A lot of people say Lane. I love Lane and have no problem with him being back next year. But if I'm given the option to get out of his contract with no dead money consequences, I would sacrifice one more year of him for that. But it's not a decision that reflects on the player he is, or even his salary.

Lane and Barkley for me are almost must keeps from a locker room perspective.

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah. He didn't seem like himself. That may happen without a PB playing next to you.

I think it was just the toll of a long 2024 season + how heavy of a run team they were. Playing next to Dickerson this year probably didn't help. I would be surprised if he needed surgery unless it was a clean up procedure. He's been doing all his weekly radio shows and never indicated anything was seriously hampering him.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah

Same as everything else. Mailata is a product of his environment - especially for a guy who has learned the position as an adult - he takes instruction and does what he is coached. When the coaching fails - he isn't going to be the guy that stands up and says something outside the box. (Something a guy like Lane or Jason Peters could have/would have done).

I don't think it's much of a mystery why Lane didn't go yesterday. Had it been last year, 1000% chance Lane goes. This year - "nope, not risking my health for this dumpster fire"

Wake up folks - changes coming soon!

3 minutes ago, McMVP said:

I do think Lurie is looking at ‘everything’…including Nick. He has to want the revolving door at OC to stop. There’s only one obvious way to do that

I think I saw recently the whole NFL has turned over an OC since 2021

14 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

I think there is probably more to it. Not only are they talking to Nick about KP being fired, but probably what it would look like with a new OC. If they are smart they realize they need Nick to be hands off with the offense the way he is with the defense. He can't interject his horrible offensive ideas or his ultra conservative mindset into what a new guy wants to do. I'm sure Nick is pushing back and we'll see if he stays, but they aren't simple conversations.

Had to stay away for a day for obvious reasons!

I think the fundamental problem is the offense was built around an elite OL, 3 stars, a scheme that relied heavily on early runs to set up 3rd and short, and big strike throws off play action and man to man coverage outside without safety help.

That worked to perfection in 2024, the collapse of the OL exposed the scheme and they couldn't adjust.

Part was Putullo, but a lot was personnel, Goedert can't block the way he used to, Calcaterra can't block at all, Dotson was a flop, Cooper was hurt and the scheme wasn't designed to get players open against two deep shells, which the league used against them when it was clear they couldn't run. The OL and TEs were a big part of the failure of the run game, but so was the inability to adjust to teams targeting Barkley, they simply didn't develop a short passing game that they could use to exploit deep safeties and LBs keying on Barkley. And the lack of a short passing game and schemes to get receivers open quickly forced a decent pass blocking group (still above average) to hold blocks too long as Hurts couldn't find anyone open.

Blame goes all around, but Howie needs to do a reset, eat dead money, dump some veterans, accept that 2024 is history and build for 2027.

1) trade Brown, it's one thing to be a pain in the ass, quite another to be so then come up small when it counted, 3 key drops that could have changed the game. One advantage of trading him is to move to an offense that's not build around 3 stars, which is one reason it's so predictable, got to salve those egos. Use Cooper like Avant, get a #2 who doesn't need 120 throws, dump Dotson, and between Wilson and a serviceable #4, start spreading the ball around more.

2) move on from Goedert, he's expensive, injury prone and has become a one trick pony. Stop hoping he'll get through another season. They need to totally revamp TE, dump Calcaterra as well, a mediocre receiving H-back who can't block is a liability.

3) extend Bigsby and use him, he's a better power runner than Barkley and will help soften up opposing defensive lines

4) rebuild the OL, determine if Dickinson and Jurgens can recover 100%, prepare for Lane to retire, and build young quality depth.

On defense, move on from Blankenship if he costs real ($10+M) money, there's only so much to go around and he's not a priority. As well as Phillips played, his injury history says don't break the bank. Same with Dean.