1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

I think there is probably more to it. Not only are they talking to Nick about KP being fired, but probably what it would look like with a new OC. If they are smart they realize they need Nick to be hands off with the offense the way he is with the defense. He can't interject his horrible offensive ideas or his ultra conservative mindset into what a new guy wants to do. I'm sure Nick is pushing back and we'll see if he stays, but they aren't simple conversations.

It's simpler than that. It's only been 24 hours. How long before the Commanders moved on from Kingsbury? It usually plays out in a few days not always 24 hours. Not unusual at all

Just now, austinfan said:

Had to stay away for a day for obvious reasons!

I think the fundamental problem is the offense was built around an elite OL, 3 stars, a scheme that relied heavily on early runs to set up 3rd and short, and big strike throws off play action and man to man coverage outside without safety help.

That worked to perfection in 2024, the collapse of the OL exposed the scheme and they couldn't adjust.

Part was Putullo, but a lot was personnel, Goedert can't block the way he used to, Calcaterra can't block at all, Dotson was a flop, Cooper was hurt and the scheme wasn't designed to get players open against two deep shells, which the league used against them when it was clear they couldn't run. The OL and TEs were a big part of the failure of the run game, but so was the inability to adjust to teams targeting Barkley, they simply didn't develop a short passing game that they could use to exploit deep safeties and LBs keying on Barkley. And the lack of a short passing game and schemes to get receivers open quickly forced a decent pass blocking group (still above average) to hold blocks too long as Hurts couldn't find anyone open.

Blame goes all around, but Howie needs to do a reset, eat dead money, dump some veterans, accept that 2024 is history and build for 2027.

1) trade Brown, it's one thing to be a pain in the ass, quite another to be so then come up small when it counted, 3 key drops that could have changed the game. One advantage of trading him is to move to an offense that's not build around 3 stars, which is one reason it's so predictable, got to salve those egos. Use Cooper like Avant, get a #2 who doesn't need 120 throws, dump Dotson, and between Wilson and a serviceable #4, start spreading the ball around more.

2) move on from Goedert, he's expensive, injury prone and has become a one trick pony. Stop hoping he'll get through another season. They need to totally revamp TE, dump Calcaterra as well, a mediocre receiving H-back who can't block is a liability.

3) extend Bigsby and use him, he's a better power runner than Barkley and will help soften up opposing defensive lines

4) rebuild the OL, determine if Dickinson and Jurgens can recover 100%, prepare for Lane to retire, and build young quality depth.

On defense, move on from Blankenship if he costs real ($10+M) money, there's only so much to go around and he's not a priority. As well as Phillips played, his injury history says don't break the bank. Same with Dean.

I get people saying move on from DG, but what options are out there? They need OL, CB, or DL at the top of the draft. They could do a lot worse.

3 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

I think I saw recently the whole NFL has turned over an OC since 2021

Well, yeah… Probably so. But for teams like the Rams, Chiefs, Vikings, Packers, 49ers, colts, etc.… The changes at OC don’t mean as much

17 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Yep. Hurts has gotten so much backlash from media and naysayers alike he seems to have lost confidence in himself - EVEN AFTER winning the Lombardi.

Next time around - Hurts needs to take the bull by the horns and call (or audible into a play) he knows will get it done - not something given to him by others who want to "think for him" or "think they know what's best for him" - especially when it's clear as day the people giving him instruction have no idea what they're doing.

Again...what are you watching? Hurts actually tried changing play and formation at the same time yesterday and it was total chaos. Players were all confused...he was stuck trying to give individual instructions to each player while the clock was ticking. It obviously is not practiced at all. Such a circumstance works best when there are multiple options created out of the same formation, which all successful offenses do. It is easy to check out of and audible of the same formation, but it is much more complicated to change play and formation...we saw the results yesterday. That idiot OC abandoned all that higher level thinking and formation versatility in Week 1. I agree Hurts needs the autonomy, but it is so clear that there was a giant break down in basic communication with the OC.

15 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

opportunity, or lack thereof for replacements. Also still early enough in his time here that they were fully bought in to the "work ethic" and "leadership" and believed he would continue to improve. Which has at best stagnated, but more realistically begun declining with his unwillingness to run.

That looks real bad on them. It took them 3 years to figure out this dude couldn’t beat zone or whatever the supposed complaints are about?

Just now, pgcd3 said:

It's simpler than that. It's only been 24 hours. How long before the Commanders moved on from Kingsbury? It usually plays out in a few days not always 24 hours. Not unusual at all

We want to know ASAP but there should be no worry as far as other candidates.

I am sure they are reaching out to agents already and people know that Patullo is out and that this is a great job.

I think everyone else thinks Siri is 99% safe. I think he is 25% safe. They may be reaching out to HC candidates as well.

If they are going to overhaul the offensive coaches and bring in a fresh mind, I don’t know how you move off of AJ. Obviously he was awful yesterday and a conversation needs to be had between him, Howie, Nick, and Hurts to see if that relationship is even salvageable. But why wouldn’t you want him in this offense with a coordinator who actually knows what he’s doing?

I think there are some main groupings of decisions to make.

1. First and foremost. They are firing KP. The OC they choose (and who ends up actually being available to them) will have the biggest impact on 2026.

2. The draft. Obviously, you want good players that are home runs and not busts. But there are 2 main questions with regards to the draft. First, what direction will the go in? Hammer the OL? Or surprise us with something else? Second, they kind of need an instant boost. 2024 draft was a massive instant boost. 2025 really didn't do much (I know we are spoiled, but Campbell finished the season on the bench and Mukuba was replacement level). It's unfair to ask too much of a draft too soon, but this team needs a boost.

3. I'm more interested to see what they do with guys that are 2027-2028 FAs. IMO, they need to find a way keep Davis and Carter. This defense is all about 4 players. Davis, Carter, Coop, and Mitchell. Those 4 are sacred. (Sorry Baun). I also think there is a lot of good upside and football left in Nolan Smith and Jalyx Hunt. Edges are expensive and I'd prefer to keep them here rather than look for more. I'd like to see an effort to keep those 6 players long term. Everyone else is window dressing. The plan for who they keep and who walks on defense over the next 3 years starts to unfold this offseason.

4. AJ Brown. How exactly are we supposed to obtain a WR2 if we unload him? This team is strapped for resources, is notoriously bad at drafting WRs, and has absolutely no room for regression on what is already one of the worst pass offenses in the NFL. We just going to force-pick a WR and hand him the WR2 job? I'm sure that'll go well. And is it good value to burn a 1st or 2nd round pick on someone who will be a downgrade who hardly gets used anyway? And it will COST them precious cap space to do this. The other side of that coin is that AJ Brown IS in step decline and has a nearly irreparable relationship with the team. Good luck navigating this one.

5. RT. Lane isn't going to want to retire from the sidelines. But you absolutely cannot expect anything from him next year besides expensive mentorship to Fred Johnson or a draft pick while he's on crutches. It's just poor planning. I don't know how they can navigate that one either.

6. QB/HC. This one isn't a decision to make. It waits until next offseason. If there is no bounce back, they are both in jeopardy this time next year.

The biggest reason for the loss is that Kyle Shanahan is probably two standard deviations of intelligence higher than DUMB and DUMBER handling our offense. He even worked Vic Fangio, while our idiots got schooled by Robert Saleh, as they have all year long.

The only scenarios they fire Sirianni:

A) He refuses to admit he was wrong about Patullo, gives the impression he is not agreeable to moving on, and decides to fall on his sword for him. This is incredibly unlikely given what we know about him so I highly doubt we'll see it play out like this

B) Lurie and/or Howie have such a strong preference in a candidate (e.g. Monken) that has also been getting HC interviews, that the only way to land said candidate is to give him a HC position, which obviously requires showing Sirianni the door. I think this is unlikely also for a couple reasons, I doubt they have such strong feelings towards Monken, and while they might feel that way about someone like McDaniel, there still might be some bad blood with Vic that's carried over from their time in Miami. Vic doesn't seem like a guy that's easy to bury the hatchet with.

Anyone get fired yet?

@we_gotta_believe I will give you a C) Hurts and AJ are done with Siri and Lurie picks players over CEO.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

The only scenarios they fire Sirianni:

A) He refuses to admit he was wrong about Patullo, gives the impression he is not agreeable to moving on, and decides to fall on his sword for him. This is incredibly unlikely given what we know about him so I highly doubt we'll see it play out like this

B) Lurie and/or Howie have such a strong preference in a candidate (e.g. Monken) that has also been getting HC interviews, that the only way to land said candidate is to give him a HC position, which obviously requires showing Sirianni the door. I think this is unlikely also for a couple reasons, I doubt they have such strong feelings towards Monken, and while they might feel that way about someone like McDaniel, there still might be some bad blood with Vic that's carried over from their time in Miami. Vic doesn't seem like a guy that's easy to bury the hatchet with.

The only way I see B is if Lurie sees it as his big opportunity to get Harbuagh who he loves. But I don't see it happening.

1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

*Was a tier 1 WR

Anyone who can't see that Brown has lost a step (maybe two) is just in denial at this point.

Now whether or not that was due to nagging injuries remains to be seen but the lazy route running and historic drops late in the season and post season aren't a result of "nagging injuries."

Think of how fast Alshon Jefferies declined towards the end of his career. Alshon is a poor man's version of AJ Brown but very similar skill sets, body types, etc etc.

Sorry but i dont buy that he has lost a step

14 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

They better hurry up while those big names are still available. If Sirianni stays, then I want the Eagles to become the first team in the NFL to pay their OC's and DC's more than the head coach...pay them what they are worth...

7 minutes ago, austinfan said:

2) move on from Goedert, he's expensive, injury prone and has become a one trick pony. Stop hoping he'll get through another season. They need to totally revamp TE, dump Calcaterra as well, a mediocre receiving H-back who can't block is a liability.

The good news here is no tight ends are under contract!

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

The only scenarios they fire Sirianni:

A) He refuses to admit he was wrong about Patullo, gives the impression he is not agreeable to moving on, and decides to fall on his sword for him. This is incredibly unlikely given what we know about him so I highly doubt we'll see it play out like this

B) Lurie and/or Howie have such a strong preference in a candidate (e.g. Monken) that has also been getting HC interviews, that the only way to land said candidate is to give him a HC position, which obviously requires showing Sirianni the door. I think this is unlikely also for a couple reasons, I doubt they have such strong feelings towards Monken, and while they might feel that way about someone like McDaniel, there still might be some bad blood with Vic that's carried over from their time in Miami. Vic doesn't seem like a guy that's easy to bury the hatchet with.

One can hope. There are really good candidates available this year.

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

The only scenarios they fire Sirianni:

A) He refuses to admit he was wrong about Patullo, gives the impression he is not agreeable to moving on, and decides to fall on his sword for him. This is incredibly unlikely given what we know about him so I highly doubt we'll see it play out like this

B) Lurie and/or Howie have such a strong preference in a candidate (e.g. Monken) that has also been getting HC interviews, that the only way to land said candidate is to give him a HC position, which obviously requires showing Sirianni the door. I think this is unlikely also for a couple reasons, I doubt they have such strong feelings towards Monken, and while they might feel that way about someone like McDaniel, there still might be some bad blood with Vic that's carried over from their time in Miami. Vic doesn't seem like a guy that's easy to bury the hatchet with.

I don't think B happens unless it is for Harbaugh with Monken as OC. I've read reports that Lurie is a big Harbaugh fan.

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I think it was just the toll of a long 2024 season + how heavy of a run team they were. Playing next to Dickerson this year probably didn't help. I would be surprised if he needed surgery unless it was a clean up procedure. He's been doing all his weekly radio shows and never indicated anything was seriously hampering him.

Mailata spoke on the toll the 2k rushing season had on the OL way back in the beginning of this year. So you know he was hurting. He also had a back issue in camp I think.

And now recently has spoken about trying to find his successor.

He doesnt come off as someone looking to stick around too much longer.

Its one thing to coach up the guys under you for the betterment of the team. Its another to speak about it as if you are actively trying to find your replacement so you can exit.

I dont know if it happens this offseason but I think hes pulling an early retirement on us. Hes not gonna stick around like Peters and Lane.

1 minute ago, aptosbird said:

Again...what are you watching? Hurts actually tried changing play and formation at the same time yesterday and it was total chaos. Players were all confused...he was stuck trying to give individual instructions to each player while the clock was ticking. It obviously is not practiced at all. Such a circumstance works best when there are multiple options created out of the same formation, which all successful offenses do. It is easy to check out of and audible of the same formation, but it is much more complicated to change play and formation...we saw the results yesterday. That idiot OC abandoned all that higher level thinking and formation versatility in Week 1. I agree Hurts needs the autonomy, but it is so clear that there was a giant break down in basic communication with the OC.

Where do you see a disagreement on my part?

Never in 35+ years of watching the NFL have I seen the offensive line - almost every lineman - almost on every play turn around a dozen times prior to a play.

What does that say?

Chaos - that's what,

And the brain trust thought that homefield advantage wasn't important. They don't get half those plays off yesterday with 70,000 Bears fans screaming in an ice cold Soldier Field.

The coaching/management - "The Holier than Thou" decision making of this team has been an ABOMINATION this year.

It's that simple.

This is in line with I'm epxecting

2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

The only way I see B is if Lurie sees it as his big opportunity to get Harbuagh who he loves. But I don't see it happening.

He may love Harbaugh, but I don’t see how his hiring over Nick would solve their issues. We already have a leader on defense, and Harbaugh comes from the defensive side. You would still have a revolving door at OC if they had any offensive success.

17 hours ago, devpool said:

You don't need to replace AJ with a top 10 receiver. You need a competent WR2, smitty is WR1. This team doesn't pass the ball at a rate that needs 2 top 15 receivers which is why AJ can go

Chris Bell would be a like for like AJ Brown replacement and should be available in the late first/early second round.

5 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

If they are going to overhaul the offensive coaches and bring in a fresh mind, I don’t know how you move off of AJ. Obviously he was awful yesterday and a conversation needs to be had between him, Howie, Nick, and Hurts to see if that relationship is even salvageable. But why wouldn’t you want him in this offense with a coordinator who actually knows what he’s doing?

It's funny how people say Nick and Hurts have to come back but Brown needs to go. Brown was a big part of both SBs as well and his contract is a problem like Hurts if you move him as well.