11 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

There's a distinction... the defense deserves more than 0% of the blame, and that's more interesting to talk about than the offense which is just depressing to think about.

Who was giving them zero blaming this? I didn’t give them zero blame. All my initial point was when I start looking at their fourth quarters in games that’s when they start begin having a problems and what was the biggest answer for it. I think there’s multiple answers to this. Felt like watching and then re-watching games the biggest issue in most (not all these particularly this one) 4th quarters is they were on the field a ton and was death by 1000 paper cuts over time. Looked like they were gassed and spent a lot of their energy to keep the game close til that point.

We can call it an excuse that’s fine. Not saying it isn’t. i don’t think it’s consistently getting out schemed. Maybe lack of great talent at some key positions. However, I think it’s at least a valid based off the fact their complementary football this year sucked and over time it wears. I said this months ago that they were gonna win a Super Bowl they had to do it how the 2023 Chiefs did. Very good defense and an offense that struggled to put up points, but they still wound up being 8th overall in dvoa. They were not the great offenses of chiefs past. But they didn’t lead the league in 3 and outs or consistently every game have quarters or halves where they just hung the defense out to dry.

Just now, devpool said:

Sure, more than 0 is like 10%. You obviously have the offense, then you have elliot missing the early PAT that would've at least given us a chance to tie at the end, then far far down the list is the defense that forced two turnovers and gave the offense pretty good field position for the most part.

The defense is so far from being a problem which is why it's just as pointless to talk about. Funny how every game people are claiming the defense choked away, the offense failed to do anything in the second half. There was zero complementary football, all year.

It sucks their worst game (which was still fine) came in the playoffs. But if the offense scored even 1 TD off of 2 turnovers near midfield then it's a different game. They can't make every stop, but that's what they needed to do.

This defense unfortunately isn't the '99 Ravens, which is probably what we needed to win 3 playoff games and the SB. The defense doesn't appear to be quite as good as last year either as that team had an uncanny knack for forcing turnovers. Was this defense good enough to a win a SB, definitely, just not on their own.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Who was giving them zero blaming this? I didn’t give them zero blame. All my initial point was when I start looking at their fourth quarters in games that’s when they start begin having a problems and what was the biggest answer for it. I think there’s multiple answers to this. Felt like watching and then re-watching games the biggest issue in most (not all these particularly this one) 4th quarters is they were on the field a ton and was death by 1000 paper cuts over time. Looked like they were gassed and spent a lot of their energy to keep the game close til that point.

We can call it an excuse that’s fine. Not saying it isn’t. i don’t think it’s consistently getting out schemed. Maybe lack of great talent at some key positions. However, I think it’s at least a valid based off the fact their complementary football this year sucked and over time it wears. I said this months ago that they were gonna win a Super Bowl they had to do it how the 2023 Chiefs did. Very good defense and an offense that struggled to put up points, but they still wound up being 8th overall in dvoa. They were not the great offenses of chiefs past. But they didn’t lead the league in 3 and outs or consistently every game have quarters or halves where they just hung the defense out to dry.

I'm really addressing Manu who thinks I'm unwilling to assign blame to the defense - which of course they have a small share, but to me that conversation is in the realm of "how was the play Mrs. Lincoln". It might be valid, I just don't want to hear it now.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Most important thing of the offseason is to nail the draft and hire the right OC. Beyond that, I think the most important thing is restraining from spending money. I do not want to see Philips or Goedert re-signed. I do not want to see a big money extension for Carter (I want him extended, but either waiting a year or at a discount considering the 2025 disappointment he's been).

I'd like to see Davis extended though. He transformed the kind of player and quiet leader that he is. You want to set the example of rewarding that.

@EazyEaglez @Bwestbrook36 it's time

I'd like to hope and think the Eagles have used back channels to put the word out and stuff, but the Eagles in the past have kinda dropped the ball on coaching searches in that regard. Were late to fire Pederson, last year people said the same thing. "They knew Moore might get an OC job, they put out feelers!" Turns out... nope.

I could easily see us sitting here a couple weeks from now saying we missed out on the top names because they dragged their feet on this. But they better get to it soon.

1 hour ago, pgcd3 said:

I'd really like to see them officially announce Patullo is gone today or tomorrow. I think the optics of waiting are lame. There is no need to be respectful for appearances sake. Quite the opposite. Everyone and their brother knows Patullo was a problem and needs to go.

We all want that. In the past, they've waited anywhere from 4-8 days after the last game. We've seen this movie before, other teams doing interviews and snatching up coaches and us taking what's left.

What's interesting is they fired Andy Reid the next day after his last game (New Year's Eve, traded McNabb on Easter, interesting). Maybe Patullo will be fired on MLK day. "I have a dream."

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

If he’s fired and not demoted, I would assume we hear it today or tomorrow. If he’s being demoted, I think it could be quiet and all of a sudden we’re hearing leaks about OC interviews.

That's what I was thinking. If they really are demoting him to keep him on the staff, they might not announce that per se, other than reporters confirming it. We'll probably just hear that they are doing interviews for OC and then they'll say something official when they hire him, and give props to Patullo.

18 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Yep. With the injured OL and Hurts running game slowing it was too much to overcome. Of course, KP had no chance as he is just not an NFL level OC.

Replacing KP is step #1 but they either need to go to a new overall scheme or they need to spend a lot of offseason capital to restock the OL with both of those having their own risks.

I’m assuming he included the comp picks just didn’t call them that

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Also an issue. Which comes down to they needed Carter to play like we saw in 2024 especially in the playoffs.

Phillips should’ve been that guy. Or hunt or smith. imo and said at the time I’d have given hunt and davis off week 18. Both had played more snaps than they ever had.

I have a tougher time going hard after Phillips because he played 17 regular season games in a row. And then finally got a bye week in week 18. If the eagles played their guys against the commanders to get the 2 seed, he’d have gone 19 weeks in a row. That would’ve been ridiculous for any player.

I just don't know if Smith is ever going to be that guy. I have higher hopes that Hunt can make the leap next year than Smith.

4 minutes ago, NOTW said:

That's what I was thinking. If they really are demoting him to keep him on the staff, they might not announce that per se, other than reporters confirming it. We'll probably just hear that they are doing interviews for OC and then they'll say something official when they hire him, and give props to Patullo.

Breaking news: Eagles keep incompetent man because other incompetent man wants company

Jurgens was a liability after his back surgery. The "detailed" CEO coach who should be studying film and paying attention to these things, Stoutland University Junior College (it's been downgraded this year), and the Kevin "run it just to run it" Patullo should have sat his ass down and started Toth, who surprisingly played well at Center when he had time to prepare in practice all week.

3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Yep. With the injured OL and Hurts running game slowing it was too much to overcome. Of course, KP had no chance as he is just not an NFL level OC.

Replacing KP is step #1 but they either need to go to a new overall scheme or they need to spend a lot of offseason capital to restock the OL with both of those having their own risks.

Problem is Nick will probably block that. I'm shocked he has enough power to keep KP on the staff. WTH

Just now, shlo said:

I just don't know if Smith is ever going to be that guy. I have higher hopes that Hunt can make the leap next year than Smith.

I said a couple weeks ago, I think if they sign Phillips that hunt or Smith is not gonna be here long-term. I tend to lean towards it being Smith. Because he’s had durability issues since college. And I think hunt has a higher ceiling that he’s just starting to scratch. Not that Smith doesn’t have a nice ceiling. Tend to think they let Phillips walk

I get the injury hurt Smith this year but the way he played during the playoffs and down the stretch last year was unbelievable. Maybe he never gets back to that run but he was awesome down the stretch last year.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m assuming he included the comp picks just didn’t call them that

Yea.

98 - Milton Williams

138 - Josh Sweat

180 - Mekhi Becton

We lost the 4th because we kept Ojulari. Still a pretty good haul of picks but Howie sure used a bunch this past season already.

It seems like every other team is quick and decisive about firing people and the Eagles take a week to think about it and have all these internal meetings. Patullo has been awful all year. They actually fired Andy Reid the winningest coach in history just 1 day after the last game because they saw it coming. They waited 8 days to fire Brian Johnson.

They shouldn't retain Patullo and demote him, but if they're going to do that just do that today and move on. They've had meetings every week all season about how to fix the offense, the "late nights" putting in extra work. There should be nothing to decide, just do it.

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Problem is Nick will probably block that. I'm shocked he has enough power to keep KP on the staff. WTH

Jeff and Howie have the final say. If they want KP gone then either Nick agrees or Nick will also be shown the door. Having said that, I don't care if KP is put in some lesser role. He might just fine in such a role.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea.

98 - Milton Williams

138 - Josh Sweat

180 - Mekhi Becton

We lost the 4th because we kept Ojulari. Still a pretty good haul of picks but Howie sure used a bunch this past season already.

When’s the cut off date for releasing someone and getting the pick back? In hindsight, they probably should’ve just cut Ojulari early in the season and moved on, took the 4th round comp pick because he wasn’t very good anyways.

I'm torn about the defensive roster knowing there will be guys they don't/can't retain. They finally drafted great on defense and have such a good roster, really sucks to see any of them go.

They lost guys last offseason and the defense was very good again, and the strength of the team and still have great coaching so I trust they'll make the right decisions and find replacements but it sucks to see good players go.

What did "passing game coordinator" Kevin Patullo bring to the table? The last 2 seasons the pass game was subpar, to put it mildly.

Basically 40% of his runs came in the first 4 games

Geoff Mosher suggested Matt Nagy as an ideal fit.

That might be the most uninspiring of all the names.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

When’s the cut off date for releasing someone and getting the pick back? In hindsight, they probably should’ve just cut Ojulari early in the season and moved on, took the 4th round comp pick because he wasn’t very good anyways.

It used to be the trade deadline but there was talk that NFL closed that loophole a year or two ago and you can't do that anymore. They would have probably had to do it at roster cut down.