Mortimer Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 11 hours ago, EaglesfanfromND said: They were garbage many times and Wentz kept plays alive at times too. Same with the defense they always seemed to give up an easy score after every offensive score too. Again the whole fricking team sucked but the QB always gets the most blame. When the team was rolling in 2017, who got the most credit? - Mister "almost MVP". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle45 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, Mortimer said: When the team was rolling in 2017, who got the most credit? - Mister "almost MVP". Now that Wentz is gone, I want to get something off my chest about that; I don’t think he wins that mvp award if he plays all 16. Everyone talks as if it was a given that he wins it. I’m pretty sure Brady was ahead of Wentz in Vegas odds just prior to the injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greend Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 8 hours ago, eagle45 said: Now that Wentz is gone, I want to get something off my chest about that; I don’t think he wins that mvp award if he plays all 16. Everyone talks as if it was a given that he wins it. I’m pretty sure Brady was ahead of Wentz in Vegas odds just prior to the injury. Vegas odds are designed to get people to bet. Hell he almost won it without playing all 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillerTime Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 hour ago, greend said: Vegas odds are designed to get people to bet. Hell he almost won it without playing all 16 No he didn’t. Tom Brady 40 votes, Gurley 8, Wentz 2. On December 6th ESPN released an article saying Brady was ahead of Wentz in the MVP race. Wentz wasn’t going to beat Brady regardless of the stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwestbrook36 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 1 minute ago, MillerTime said: No he didn’t. Tom Brady 40 votes, Gurley 8, Wentz 2. On December 6th ESPN released an article saying Brady was ahead of Wentz in the MVP race. Wentz wasn’t going to beat Brady regardless of the stats. So you are saying he wasn't even an almost MVP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillerTime Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said: So you are saying he wasn't even an almost MVP? He didn’t even get 2nd so no he wasn’t I think he would have got 2nd without being injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike030270 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, MillerTime said: No he didn’t. Tom Brady 40 votes, Gurley 8, Wentz 2. On December 6th ESPN released an article saying Brady was ahead of Wentz in the MVP race. Wentz wasn’t going to beat Brady regardless of the stats. ESPN article on December 28th https://www.espn.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/23515/eagles-carson-wentz-has-a-case-for-league-mvp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManchesterEagle Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 10 hours ago, eagle45 said: Now that Wentz is gone, I want to get something off my chest about that; I don’t think he wins that mvp award if he plays all 16. Everyone talks as if it was a given that he wins it. I’m pretty sure Brady was ahead of Wentz in Vegas odds just prior to the injury. 11 minutes ago, MillerTime said: No he didn’t. Tom Brady 40 votes, Gurley 8, Wentz 2. On December 6th ESPN released an article saying Brady was ahead of Wentz in the MVP race. Wentz wasn’t going to beat Brady regardless of the stats. That 2017 Eagles team was loaded. We had an elite line, a top 3 TE, a pounding running back (and later Ajayi), a solid number 1 WR, a very good number 2 WR and a speed receiver to keep a safety occupied. Plus we had a top 5 D. Not saying that Wentz didn't play well, he really did, but the play of Foles (apart from that shocking Oakland game in the win), showed how good that team was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillerTime Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said: ESPN article on December 28th https://www.espn.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/23515/eagles-carson-wentz-has-a-case-for-league-mvp December 6th, before his injury. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21676586/2017-nfl-mvp-poll-tom-brady-unseats-carson-wentz-favorite-heading-week-14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwestbrook36 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said: That 2017 Eagles team was loaded. We had an elite line, a top 3 TE, a pounding running back (and later Ajayi), a solid number 1 WR, a very good number 2 WR and a speed receiver to keep a safety occupied. Plus we had a top 5 D. Not saying that Wentz didn't play well, he really did, but the play of Foles (apart from that shocking Oakland game in the win), showed how good that team was. Yeah now you can say that team was loaded, hardly anyone thought they were going to be that good going into the season because the preseason was so dreadful. Even after the Chiefs game people were pissed off and thought they were going no where and were already calling for Pedersons head. Wentz having that major jump from rookie year to his second year was a major factor in them turning out to be a great football team especially after the injuries started to pile up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike030270 Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, MillerTime said: December 6th, before his injury. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21676586/2017-nfl-mvp-poll-tom-brady-unseats-carson-wentz-favorite-heading-week-14 Yes. I saw that when looking for the other article. They were neck and neck. The article even mentions they usually give it to the QB whose team has the best record anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greend Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 49 minutes ago, MillerTime said: No he didn’t. Tom Brady 40 votes, Gurley 8, Wentz 2. On December 6th ESPN released an article saying Brady was ahead of Wentz in the MVP race. Wentz wasn’t going to beat Brady regardless of the stats. Yes he was. (See how that's done?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillerTime Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 hours ago, greend said: Yes he was. (See how that's done?) No he wasn’t, he got 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipiggles Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Wentz was the front running candidate for MVP when he got hurt. But if you hated/hate Wentz, then you will of course say he wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillerTime Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said: Wentz was the front running candidate for MVP when he got hurt. But if you hated/hate Wentz, then you will of course say he wasn't. I don’t hate Wentz at all. According to that ESPN article on dec 6th Tom Brady was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesfanfromND Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, MillerTime said: I don’t hate Wentz at all. According to that ESPN article on dec 6th Tom Brady was Dude ESPN doesn't pick the MVP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greend Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 17 minutes ago, MillerTime said: No he wasn’t, he got 3rd. Yes, he would have but got injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greend Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, Ipiggles said: Wentz was the front running candidate for MVP when he got hurt. But if you hated/hate Wentz, then you will of course say he wasn't. He's just negative (personally I can't understand why?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain F Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Who. Cares. You guys are really arguing over something that's 4 years old, about a player that's not even on this team anymore. Move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillerTime Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 25 minutes ago, EaglesfanfromND said: Dude ESPN doesn't pick the MVP. I know, its voted on by 50 sportswriters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillerTime Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 49 minutes ago, greend said: Yes, he would have but got injured. The comment was he almost won it without playing all 16 and i said no he didn’t, he got 3rd. I said if he didn’t get injured he would have got 2nd based on sportswriters writing Brady was who they thought would win before Wentz got hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greend Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, MillerTime said: The comment was he almost won it without playing all 16 and i said no he didn’t, he got 3rd. I said if he didn’t get injured he would have got 2nd based on sportswriters writing Brady was who they thought would win before Wentz got hurt. And some sports casters thought he was in it until the end. Man dude, seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillerTime Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, greend said: And some sports casters thought he was in it until the end. Man dude, seriously? He got 2 votes out of 50. Hell in the article i posted he only got 2 out of 10 before getting injured. He also was 26th in completion percentage. He wasn’t beating Brady injured or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greend Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 15 minutes ago, MillerTime said: He got 2 votes out of 50. Hell in the article i posted he only got 2 out of 10 before getting injured. He also was 26th in completion percentage. He wasn’t beating Brady injured or not. or was he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YubaEagle Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 hours ago, MillerTime said: The comment was he almost won it without playing all 16 and i said no he didn’t, he got 3rd. I said if he didn’t get injured he would have got 2nd based on sportswriters writing Brady was who they thought would win before Wentz got hurt. 2 hours ago, greend said: And some sports casters thought he was in it until the end. Man dude, seriously? 2 hours ago, MillerTime said: He got 2 votes out of 50. Hell in the article i posted he only got 2 out of 10 before getting injured. He also was 26th in completion percentage. He wasn’t beating Brady injured or not. 2 hours ago, greend said: or was he? I will turn this car around if you two don't knock it the hell off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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