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[UK_EaglesFan89]

I think we can close this one... His 2020 stats are complete.

😁

[kentwo]

Dionate Johnson looks like he's going to be really good. 

[kentwo]

While it is not a direct positional comparison, taking Sidney Jones and not a RB in a deep RB class still bothers me. 

Here's all the RBs that went after Jones:

Joe Mixon

Alvin Kamara

Kareem Hunt

D'Onta Foreman

James Conner

Samaje Perine

Tarik Cohen

Joe Williams

Donnel Pumphrey!!!! - Howie really picked a great one. 

Jamaal Williams

Wayne Gallman

Marlon Mack

Aaron Jones

Chris Carson

(Skipped a few guys in between Mack and Carson)

 

 

 

 

 

[UK_EaglesFan89]

11 minutes ago, kentwo said:

While it is not a direct positional comparison, taking Sidney Jones and not a RB in a deep RB class still bothers me. 

To be fair though last year they took Sanders so I think we can forgive that a little. Not the Jones pick so much but not taking a RB that year. 

[wtfcares]

59 minutes ago, kentwo said:

While it is not a direct positional comparison, taking Sidney Jones and not a RB in a deep RB class still bothers me. 

Here's all the RBs that went after Jones:

Joe Mixon

Alvin Kamara

Kareem Hunt

D'Onta Foreman

James Conner

Samaje Perine

Tarik Cohen

Joe Williams

Donnel Pumphrey!!!! - Howie really picked a great one. 

Jamaal Williams

Wayne Gallman

Marlon Mack

Aaron Jones

Chris Carson

(Skipped a few guys in between Mack and Carson)

 

 

 

 

 

I’d take Sanders over any of those guys. We likely wouldn’t draft Sanders, if they took one of them that year. 

[weko]

3 hours ago, kentwo said:

While it is not a direct positional comparison, taking Sidney Jones and not a RB in a deep RB class still bothers me. 

Here's all the RBs that went after Jones:

Joe Mixon

Alvin Kamara

Kareem Hunt

D'Onta Foreman

James Conner

Samaje Perine

Tarik Cohen

Joe Williams

Donnel Pumphrey!!!! - Howie really picked a great one. 

Jamaal Williams

Wayne Gallman

Marlon Mack

Aaron Jones

Chris Carson

(Skipped a few guys in between Mack and Carson)

 

 

 

 

 

Howie just picks the tiniest guy from the worst conference.  

 

 

[Cochis_Calhoun]

2 hours ago, wtfcares said:

I’d take Sanders over any of those guys. We likely wouldn’t draft Sanders, if they took one of them that year. 

If we had Alvin Kamara why would we need Miles Sanders?  Since 2017 our team total rushing TD count is 37,  Kamara has 27 on his own, plus another 10 Receiving, Mixon is probably a better pure runner as well at this stage.

I could make a case for Kareem Hunt as well, he's an arsehole but with his numbers nobody is sat here saying dang we missed on Miles Sanders.

 

[Portyansky]

4 hours ago, kentwo said:

While it is not a direct positional comparison, taking Sidney Jones and not a RB in a deep RB class still bothers me. 

Here's all the RBs that went after Jones:

Joe Mixon

Alvin Kamara

Kareem Hunt

D'Onta Foreman

James Conner

Samaje Perine

Tarik Cohen

Joe Williams

Donnel Pumphrey!!!! - Howie really picked a great one. 

Jamaal Williams

Wayne Gallman

Marlon Mack

Aaron Jones

Chris Carson

(Skipped a few guys in between Mack and Carson)

 

 

 

 

 

Apple and oranges. Jones was a 1st rnd talent taken in the 2nd. JJAW was a late 3rd rnd taken in the 2nd.

The draft is gambling. There's smart gambling and Eagles gambling....

[EazyEaglez]

Okay so if Howie isn’t the draft guru we need, and he’s no longer the guy who gets the best of trades, and he’s no longer the cap guru why is he still here?

[eagle45]

3 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Okay so if Howie isn’t the draft guru we need, and he’s no longer the guy who gets the best of trades, and he’s no longer the cap guru why is he still here?

Same reason Jason Peters is still here.

[nipples]

16 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Okay so if Howie isn’t the draft guru we need, and he’s no longer the guy who gets the best of trades, and he’s no longer the cap guru why is he still here?

I’m waiting to see how this draft pans out before passing final judgment. If Reagor is the real deal that’s a great pick, especially if he turns out to be better in the NFL than Jefferson (which is what I believed even before the draft). 
 

I also like Hightower’s potential to be a nice field stretching 3rd/4th WR, and I do think Wallace is the future starter at safety. Remains to be seen, but I’m optimistic about this class. 
 

Now the 2019 draft as a whole is looking rough right now, but I am still in on Dillard being the answer at LT when healthy, and I fully believe Sanders is a stud. If you can get your long-term starting LT out of a draft, and a pro bowl type RB, I think it automatically bumps the draft class as a whole up to a C+.

[eagle45]

45 minutes ago, nipples said:

I’m waiting to see how this draft pans out before passing final judgment. If Reagor is the real deal that’s a great pick, especially if he turns out to be better in the NFL than Jefferson (which is what I believed even before the draft). 
 

I also like Hightower’s potential to be a nice field stretching 3rd/4th WR, and I do think Wallace is the future starter at safety. Remains to be seen, but I’m optimistic about this class. 
 

Now the 2019 draft as a whole is looking rough right now, but I am still in on Dillard being the answer at LT when healthy, and I fully believe Sanders is a stud. If you can get your long-term starting LT out of a draft, and a pro bowl type RB, I think it automatically bumps the draft class as a whole up to a C+.

I actually like this draft as well...but it's no coincident that the 2020 class is the one that "looks promising" while all the others suck.  Last year at the beginning of the season, we said that about 2019.  The year before, 2018,  The year before, 2017...and so on.

They all look promising 1 week into year 1.

[nipples]

10 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I actually like this draft as well...but it's no coincident that the 2020 class is the one that "looks promising" while all the others suck.  Last year at the beginning of the season, we said that about 2019.  The year before, 2018,  The year before, 2017...and so on.

They all look promising 1 week into year 1.

Did we really say that about the 2019 draft last year though? If memory serves, JJAW wasn’t exactly impressing anyone during camp last year. Nobody was hyping Miller, it was clear to all that Thorson was terrible. Frankly the only player fans showing much hype about was Sanders. 

And honestly I think the majority of fans only liked Goedert and Mailata out of the 2018 draft. 
 

I can only speak for myself obviously, but I can say that the day of/after the draft, 2020 is the first one I can remember in quite awhile where I thought they nailed it for the most part. I was down on the Hurts pick, but ultimately even that could end up being a smart decision... I liked or at least understood every other pick. Hell for where he was taken I even think Watkins was a good pick to make, and I’m still not ruling him out from being a solid 4th/5th WR next season.

 

[eagle45]

1 minute ago, nipples said:

Did we really say that about the 2019 draft last year though? If memory serves, JJAW wasn’t exactly impressing anyone during camp last year. Nobody was hyping Miller, it was clear to all that Thorson was terrible. Frankly the only player fans showing much hype about was Sanders. 

And honestly I think the majority of fans only liked Goedert and Mailata out of the 2018 draft. 
 

I can only speak for myself obviously, but I can say that the day of/after the draft, 2020 is the first one I can remember in quite awhile where I thought they nailed it for the most part. I was down on the Hurts pick, but ultimately even that could end up being a smart decision...
 

 

I had a lot of arguments on the boards about the 2019 draft.  Every draft generally has a lot of optimism when it's so fresh.

[EazyEaglez]

55 minutes ago, nipples said:

I’m waiting to see how this draft pans out before passing final judgment. If Reagor is the real deal that’s a great pick, especially if he turns out to be better in the NFL than Jefferson (which is what I believed even before the draft). 
 

I also like Hightower’s potential to be a nice field stretching 3rd/4th WR, and I do think Wallace is the future starter at safety. Remains to be seen, but I’m optimistic about this class. 
 

Now the 2019 draft as a whole is looking rough right now, but I am still in on Dillard being the answer at LT when healthy, and I fully believe Sanders is a stud. If you can get your long-term starting LT out of a draft, and a pro bowl type RB, I think it automatically bumps the draft class as a whole up to a C+.

They say it takes 3 years to fully know if a draft class will be good or not. That means Howie gets a chance to ruin two more classes before you really know if he’s good or not. Howie’s been back since 16. The players still on the roster are Wentz Seumalo, Mills. 17 Barnett, Gerry 18 Goedert, Pryor, Sweat, Mialata 19 Dillard, Sanders, JJAW. Since 16 Howie’s selected one all pro level player. Sanders has potential, but we will see. Goedert also has potential. Jury is still out on some of these picks, but some you can tell they are what they are. Howie’s probably not the worst at drafting in the NFL, but he’s no exceptions at it either. 

[DBW]

On 9/14/2020 at 8:56 PM, Utebird said:

Liked Hank, at least he'd get the occasional 90+ yard td😉

Hank at least banged a porn star.  Jjaw is still playing the tinder game.   

[Eagles_All_Day]

He's hanging in there. He is only 90 yards and a td behind DK Metcalf.

If he finished last year only 90 yards and a td behind Metcalf it would have been a good season.

[seengreen]

What's the over+/under- on him even catching 25 passes this season?

[Cochis_Calhoun]

42 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

They say it takes 3 years to fully know if a draft class will be good or not. That means Howie gets a chance to ruin two more classes before you really know if he’s good or not. Howie’s been back since 16. The players still on the roster are Wentz Seumalo, Mills. 17 Barnett, Gerry 18 Goedert, Pryor, Sweat, Mialata 19 Dillard, Sanders, JJAW. Since 16 Howie’s selected one all pro level player. Sanders has potential, but we will see. Goedert also has potential. Jury is still out on some of these picks, but some you can tell they are what they are. Howie’s probably not the worst at drafting in the NFL, but he’s no exceptions at it either. 

The drafting in 16 and 17 is a classic of what if, in '16 we traded the farm to get into the top 2 to get a QB and DE's like Joey Bosa and Deforest Buckner would've been within reach (not to mention OT's Stanley, Conklin and Tunsil) for a shade less,  in 17 we went DE in a class that was basically Myles Garrett and a whole lot of meh, and we probably would've needed less ammo to trade up and get Mahomes or Watson.

The draft is always a crap shoot, but 2013 is the last time we drafted anyone who is undeniably among the very best in the league at their position in Johnson and Ertz, after that we seem to draft solid but unspectacular guys.

In terms of talent evaluation, New Orleans took Michael Thomas in the 2nd as well as their two starting DT's in 2016 that took their defense from 31st to 10th, They got Lattimore, Ramczyck, Kamara and  Marcus Williamson in 2017, three of those made 1st or 2nd team all pro and the other is rated a top 5 free safety. All the named players have made a Pro Bowl

Kansas City took Chris Jones and Tyreek Hill in rounds 2 and 5 (FIVE FOR GODS SAKE) in 2016 and then Mahomes and Kareem Hunt in rounds 1 and 3 in 2017. All have made first or second team all pro and multiple pro bowls.

In 2017 the Steelers took TJ Watt and Smith Schuster. Watt has made all pro, both made pro bowls

Hell look at Dallas, in 2016 they took Elliott, Jaylon Smith and Prescott, they've all made pro bowls

In the same drafts we got Carson, Seumalo, Barnett, Mills and Gerry that are still on the roster. Carson made pro bowl in 17

Since 2013 The Eagles have drafted as many players (3) that made the pro bowl as the Ravens, Bears, Cowboys and the Steelers have each taken in a single draft since 2016.

Over 2016 -17 Kansas City and New Orleans both drafted as many All Pro Players than the Eagles have taken over the entire decade.

[EazyEaglez]

6 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

The drafting in 16 and 17 is a classic of what if, in '16 we traded the farm to get into the top 2 to get a QB and DE's like Joey Bosa and Deforest Buckner would've been within reach (not to mention OT's Stanley, Conklin and Tunsil) for a shade less,  in 17 we went DE in a class that was basically Myles Garrett and a whole lot of meh, and we probably would've needed less ammo to trade up and get Mahomes or Watson.

The draft is always a crap shoot, but 2013 is the last time we drafted anyone who is undeniably among the very best in the league at their position in Johnson and Ertz, after that we seem to draft solid but unspectacular guys.

In terms of talent evaluation, New Orleans took Michael Thomas in the 2nd as well as their two starting DT's in 2016 that took their defense from 31st to 10th, They got Lattimore, Ramczyck, Kamara and  Marcus Williamson in 2017, three of those made 1st or 2nd team all pro and the other is rated a top 5 free safety. All the named players have made a Pro Bowl

Kansas City took Chris Jones and Tyreek Hill in rounds 2 and 5 (FIVE FOR GODS SAKE) in 2016 and then Mahomes and Kareem Hunt in rounds 1 and 3 in 2017. All have made first or second team all pro and multiple pro bowls.

In 2017 the Steelers took TJ Watt and Smith Schuster. Watt has made all pro, both made pro bowls

Hell look at Dallas, in 2016 they took Elliott, Jaylon Smith and Prescott, they've all made pro bowls

In the same drafts we got Carson, Seumalo, Barnett, Mills and Gerry that are still on the roster. Carson made pro bowl in 17

Since 2013 The Eagles have drafted as many players (3) that made the pro bowl as the Ravens, Bears, Cowboys and the Steelers have each taken in a single draft since 2016.

Over 2016 -17 Kansas City and New Orleans both drafted as many All Pro Players than the Eagles have taken over the entire decade.

When it comes down to it Howie hasn’t been good enough at the draft, but he would make some compensations with that by trading for players. Unfortunately even that has fallen short lately and most of his trades have become either underwhelming players of stayed just one season. Due to his poor draft selections he’s had to keep older players longer than he’s needed to. He’s had some up and down free agent selections. Overall he hasn’t been terrible, but he hasn’t done nearly enough to put the Eagles in a spot where they can be considered one of the best teams. 

[nipples]

12 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

When it comes down to it Howie hasn’t been good enough at the draft, but he would make some compensations with that by trading for players. Unfortunately even that has fallen short lately and most of his trades have become either underwhelming players of stayed just one season. Due to his poor draft selections he’s had to keep older players longer than he’s needed to. He’s had some up and down free agent selections. Overall he hasn’t been terrible, but he hasn’t done nearly enough to put the Eagles in a spot where they can be considered one of the best teams. 

To be honest it isn’t always a case of the trades themselves being bad, but how they handle the player after. Tate is a prime example of that... that trade would have been fine if they had let Agholor go and re-signed Tate like they should have. 

[EazyEaglez]

7 minutes ago, nipples said:

To be honest it isn’t always a case of the trades themselves being bad, but how they handle the player after. Tate is a prime example of that... that trade would have been fine if they had let Agholor go and re-signed Tate like they should have. 

They gave up a 3rd round pick for a guy who didn’t was here half of a season. That’s pretty bad IMO. Howie also chose not to resign Tate and chose to go with Agholor to compound the situation. No matter how you shook at it Howie handled it poorly.

[EazyEaglez]

1 hour ago, seengreen said:

What's the over+/under- on him even catching 25 passes this season?

I think I’m taking the under.

[nipples]

1 hour ago, seengreen said:

What's the over+/under- on him even catching 25 passes this season?

You could drop that number to 15 and I’d be tempted to take the under. 

[nipples]

11 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

They gave up a 3rd round pick for a guy who didn’t was here half of a season. That’s pretty bad IMO. Howie also chose not to resign Tate and chose to go with Agholor to compound the situation. No matter how you shook at it Howie handled it poorly.

I’m not disputing that Howie was at fault. I was just pointing out that in that case even though the trade was fine, he still screwed it up by not re-signing him. Had they brought him back, I’d be looking at that trade as good value.