Just now, brkmsn said:

Guess who else was outplayed by virtually everybody  last year ... Trevor Lawrence. Does that mean Lawrence has no future?

He has also been in the league 1 year, was never benched in college, and is a 6'5" talented passer with talent worth waiting for.

 

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

He has also been in the league 1 year, was never benched in college, and is a 6'5" talented passer with talent worth waiting for.

 

Carson Wentz was 6'5", never benched in college, a talented passer, and had a better rookie year than her and he still didn't cut it. 

1 minute ago, brkmsn said:

Carson Wentz was 6;5", never benched in college, a talented passer, and had a better rookie year than her and he still didn't cut it. 

No, Carson Wentz doesn't cut it.

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

So because Marino lost to a garbage QB in the playoffs 40 years ago, the fact that the Eagles face a deficit at the QB position in comparison to the other sideline EVERY Sunday is irrelevant?  OK.

So you just contradicted your own argument, by listing several times where the Eagles did not face a deficit at the QB position. Pretty much every respected QB ranking tool/analyst had Hurts around 15-20. So average/below average starting QB. Yet you are right they are wrong?

Ultimately you need to accept that the Eagles are giving Hurts another year and giving him the tools to succeed. He may or may not, but he’s going to get that opportunity.

6 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

So you just contradicted your own argument, by listing several times where the Eagles did not face a deficit at the QB position. Pretty much every respected QB ranking tool/analyst had Hurts around 15-20. So average/below average starting QB. Yet you are right they are wrong?

Ultimately you need to accept that the Eagles are giving Hurts another year and giving him the tools to succeed. He may or may not, but he’s going to get that opportunity.

Show me what passing metrics have him 15-20, thanks.

33 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Show me what passing metrics have him 15-20, thanks.

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

It's always advantageous to have better players at every position, but in the end of the day, having the better "team" is more important than having star players. 

That's not at all what I'm arguing. 

Your original argument is lazy. It's an easy, cheap way to elevate Hurts. Obviously the opposing Quarterback doesn't drop back in coverage. The implication in that argument is that a better opposing QB doesn't prolong drives, score more, put more pressure on our QB, etc. 

Hence, lazy.

5 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Ranks Hurts ahead of Mahomes.  Must be a great ranking system.

3 minutes ago, Swoop said:

That's not at all what I'm arguing. 

Your original argument is lazy. It's an easy, cheap way to elevate Hurts. Obviously the opposing Quarterback doesn't drop back in coverage. The implication in that argument is that a better opposing QB doesn't prolong drives, score more, put more pressure on our QB, etc. 

Hence, lazy.

Call it whatever you want. Your post above is boring. The argument that head to head QB meetings are the tell all for what a QB did is very poor. It's designed to capture a specific situation involving Hurts to promote a narrative that he needs to be replaced. Eli Manning had a poor record vs the Eagles (10-21) in his career, but he is 3-2 vs Tom Brady. What does this mean? Nothing. Honestly nothing.

11 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Ranks Hurts ahead of Mahomes.  Must be a great ranking system.

There are 5 metrics there that are explained at their site. You asked. I answered. You don't like the answer. Think what you want.

17 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Call it whatever you want. Your post above is boring. The argument that head to head QB meetings are the tell all for what a QB did is very poor. It's designed to capture a specific situation involving Hurts to promote a narrative that he needs to be replaced. Eli Manning had a poor record vs the Eagles (10-21) in his career, but he is 3-2 vs Tom Brady. What does this mean? Nothing. Honestly nothing.

Never made that argument. 

Not sure if you're being intentionally obtuse or if you're truly this confused, but none of what you're saying has anything at all to do with what I'm saying. You continue to shift the conversation because your original point is lazy and asinine.

38 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

There are 5 metrics there that are explained at their site. You asked. I answered. You don't like the answer. Think what you want.

And where is he for qb rating, passing yards, completion percentage, and deep ball accuracy?

11 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Never made that argument. 

Not sure if you're being intentionally obtuse or if you're truly this confused, but none of what you're saying has anything at all to do with what I'm saying. You continue to shift the conversation because your original point is lazy and asinine.

Sue me. The argument started with the post about the QBs Hurts has wins against. I said it doesn't matter and here we are. If you want to believe that matters, that's up to you. I never said I'm happy if the 2021 version of Hurts is the final product. All my arguments in support of Hurts are based on my belief that he's where I expect him to be based on his experience and that I believe he's demonstrating growth and improvement. I don't believe that one bad game in his first playoff appearance is an indicator of what he will become or a bar than he can't get over. It's a learning experience and something that can promote growth in a player that doesn't get down on himself and quit. Hurts doesn't appear to be the kind of person that will curl up in a fetal position because of a setback. 

 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

And where is he for qb rating, passing yards, completion percentage, and deep ball accuracy?

Don't you have a meme that shows all that? I do know he was 13th in average yards per pass attempt. 

33 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Sue me. The argument started with the post about the QBs Hurts has wins against. I said it doesn't matter and here we are. If you want to believe that matters, that's up to you. I never said I'm happy if the 2021 version of Hurts is the final product. All my arguments in support of Hurts are based on my belief that he's where I expect him to be based on his experience and that I believe he's demonstrating growth and improvement. I don't believe that one bad game in his first playoff appearance is an indicator of what he will become or a bar than he can't get over. It's a learning experience and something that can promote growth in a player that doesn't get down on himself and quit. Hurts doesn't appear to be the kind of person that will curl up in a fetal position because of a setback. 

 

Once again, going off on a tangent that has nothing to do with what I was saying. 

You don't need to respond. Or go ahead, it doesn't really matter.

Jalen Hurts the type of dude to wear slippers without sucks and slides with socks.

Just goofy.

2 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Don't you have a meme that shows all that? I do know he was 13th in average yards per pass attempt. 

Found the one stat passing he isnt 20+ in lol

3 hours ago, Shalodeep said:

Found the one stat passing he isnt 20+ in lol

Among QBs in the postseason, he was 13th in QB rating. 8th in yards, 14th in completion percentage, tied for 9th in passing TDs, and 10th in yards per attempt.  

Hey, it could have been worse. Just ask Kyler Murray. 

4 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Among QBs in the postseason, he was 13th in QB rating. 8th in yards, 14th in completion percentage, tied for 9th in passing TDs, and 10th in yards per attempt.  

Hey, it could have been worse. Just ask Kyler Murray. 

Craftiest answer I've seen in awhile lmao 

You guys can come up with any numbers, stats or logic you want.

At the end of the day, Hurts has beaten two teams that finished with a winning record.  Those teams were QB'd by Taysom Hill and Trevor Simien.

10 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Among QBs in the postseason, he was 13th in QB rating. 8th in yards, 14th in completion percentage, tied for 9th in passing TDs, and 10th in yards per attempt.  

Hey, it could have been worse. Just ask Kyler Murray. 

But that makes it look like he wasn't top 10 in a 14 man race lol 

20 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Call it whatever you want. Your post above is boring. The argument that head to head QB meetings are the tell all for what a QB did is very poor. It's designed to capture a specific situation involving Hurts to promote a narrative that he needs to be replaced. Eli Manning had a poor record vs the Eagles (10-21) in his career, but he is 3-2 vs Tom Brady. What does this mean? Nothing. Honestly nothing.

 

19 hours ago, Swoop said:

Once again, going off on a tangent that has nothing to do with what I was saying. 

You don't need to respond. Or go ahead, it doesn't really matter.

Just to clear this up - Swoop is saying, correctly, that a good to elite QB usually makes a big difference in a game. This is correct. It's the most important position and QB play makes a significant difference.

I think you are arguing against the point made by DUMike and Eagles45 that Hurts has only beaten poor/practice squad QBs and therefore he should be judged on that/he sucks. I agree with you on this in that:

1) It's a small sample size, he has only had one full season starting.

2) I wouldn't call Ryan or Bridgewater bottom of the barrel QBs.

3) The D was so poor against good QBs last year, Hurts would have had to play top 10 level QB play at least against them to beat them. He's not there yet. 

I expect Hurts to beat some good QBs this year as I expect the D to be a lot better and I expect AJ Brown to make a difference. That won't mean that Hurts is the guy moving forward. He needs to take a jump, but a few of us, like the Eagles, want to see if he can.

What is the criteria for replacing Hurts?

1) Can't read a defense

2) Can't make progression through receivers

3) Not seeing the open receiver and running the ball

4) Not a winning record

5) All of the above

When does Hurts get benched?

6) When he clearly can't beat the Cowboys?

First Cowboy's match up is week 6. Sun 10/16 8;20pm in Philly

Second Cowboy's matchup is week 16. Sat 12/24 4:25pm in Dallas

Maybe at half time of the second game:

Jalen Hurts is benched.

Carson Strong is our new QB1.

Merry Christmas, Eagles fans!

15 hours ago, CouchKing said:

What is the criteria for replacing Hurts?

1) Can't read a defense

2) Can't make progression through receivers

3) Not seeing the open receiver and running the ball

4) Not a winning record

5) All of the above

When does Hurts get benched?

6) When he clearly can't beat the Cowboys?

First Cowboy's match up is week 6. Sun 10/16 8;20pm in Philly

Second Cowboy's matchup is week 16. Sat 12/24 4:25pm in Dallas

Maybe at half time of the second game:

Jalen Hurts is benched.

Carson Strong is our new QB1.

Merry Christmas, Eagles fans!

Big Red likes him some Hurts...

 

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Andy Reid endorses Jalen Hurts as Eagles QB1: 'He's willing to work hard and wants to be great'

Reid believes the Eagles have a foundation with Hurts
 

Andy Reid has a reputation for developing quarterbacks in the NFL, coaching Donovan McNabb, Michael Vick, Alex Smith, and Patrick Mahomes to Pro Bowls throughout his 23-year head coaching career. When Reid, the winningest head coach in Philadelphia Eagles history, talks quarterbacks -- it's wise to listen. 

Reid didn't hold back on his early evaluation on Jalen Hurts, who the Kansas City Chiefs saw for the first time last season. He was impressed with the Eagles' young quarterback and his development in his first full season as a starter. 

"The one thing you got there is a guy that's willing to work hard and wants to be great," Reid said on JAKIB Sports' Sports Take Tuesday. "He sincerely wants to do well. That's the foundation -- and with the coaching he's getting that's gonna take place.

"Everybody just has to hang with him, and Nick (Eagles head coach Nick Sirianni) will deflect some of the stuff that you have to deflect from the public until it feels like he's grounded all the way. Then he flies from there." 

Reid said it takes about four years to truly evaluate and develop a quarterback -- the kind of patience he has shown over the course of his career. The Eagles have to be intrigued with what they saw out of Hurts last season. 

Hurts completed 61.3% of his passes for 3,144 yards with 16 touchdowns to nine interceptions for an 87.2 rating on the year, and he's just the second quarterback in Eagles history to throw for 3,000 yards and rush for 750 yards in a season -- the eighth to reach those numbers in NFL history. He improved as the season went on, completing a season-high 66.7% of his passes for 709 yards with three touchdowns to just one interception for a 101.3 passer rating in leading Philadelphia to a 9-8 record and playoff berth -- one year after the Eagles went 4-11-1. 

Hurts is also the only quarterback to throw for 4,000 yards and rush for 1,000 yards in his first 20 career starts (he's started only 19 games in his career). The Eagles gave Hurts significant help at wide receiver by adding A.J. Brown to be the No. 1 pass catcher, pairing him with DeVonta Smith, Quez Watkins, and Dallas Goedert.

The pieces are there for Hurts to succeed in year three in the NFL, even if the Eagles commit to the run significantly. Philadelphia led the league in run play percentage and rushing yards per game last year. 

"There has to be a balance and you have to stay flexible with it," Reid said. "You want to make sure you throw the ball. The issue is the throw game takes a little longer to get together than the run game. Most teams are going the opposite way now, but there's going to be a time and place where you're going to have to rely on the run game -- and it's going to be there for you."

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/andy-reid-endorses-jalen-hurts-as-eagles-qb1-hes-willing-to-work-hard-and-wants-to-be-great/?fbclid=IwAR294gJm9v6FmGWdLn-2BpGsNP-lUlyq9I1EDv36DG2E6Z06tuO1G_VTtBU