Jalen Hurts - shoulder sprain injury; expected for playoffs

[LeanMeanGM]

2 hours ago, downundermike said:

Added some additional info to my post.

At 4:50 a successful RPO with the DE having a free release. On a dumbed down 8 min video explains basic concepts of the RPO. 
 

 

Doug’s words: "we don’t want the QB to run. It’s a third option but we want him to either give it or get it out quick.”

 

 

Not Jalens fault though. Maybe part two they explain how they want the QB on an RPO to scramble and hold the ball for 3+ seconds. 

[jsb235]

3 hours ago, downundermike said:

First play is football 101, when you have a free rusher, find your hot read.  I have highlighted that hot read, and Hurts is looking right at him.  Ball should be out now.

Watching the play again, they intentionally turned the DE loose, and as Gainwell comes underneath he is clapping his hands for Hurts to throw him the ball, problem is Hurts takes to long to diagnose and the ball is thrown to late.  Ball should have been on Gainwell as soon as he is clapping for it, that is when the offensive line is releasing to the endzone, as they also expect the ball to be out.

 

Imagine watching this video and thinking:

A. There is a "hot read"

and 

B. The play is designed to go to Gainwell.

Here's what is happening. The play is pretty basic. There's 14 seconds left and the Eagles have a first down with one timeout. Is this a read option like some have suggested? No. You don't run read option here. The play is simply get the ball to the H back and let the receiver set a natural pick so the back can get to the pylon. And if you watch the video, everything is perfect. The qb is ready to throw and Smith pauses at the goaline to set the pick. What is not perfect, as the screenshot clearly shows, is that the H back has run a poor route. He should be ready to catch the ball at this point, but instead all Hurts sees is his numbers.

Now we roll the tape to see when the H back turns for the ball.

This play is now dead in the water. The timing is completely off. The pick is no longer viable since the DB is past Smith. If the H back had the ball right now, which he was supposed to, Smith is in perfect position to occupy two defenders. But the ball wasn't thrown because the H back wasn't ready for it. Look at where the blockers are. In the first screenshot, they are legal. Now they are downfield.

Also, lol at Gainwell being the primary receiving on this play. Why would Hurts be looking right at the receiver in the flat if he wasn't supposed to get the ball?

How does anyone watch this and think "Boy, the qb really screwed this up by not throwing it into the back of his intended target" when it is so painfully obvious what was supposed to happen and why it didn't.   

[brkmsn]

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

At 4:50 a successful RPO with the DE having a free release. On a dumbed down 8 min video explains basic concepts of the RPO. 
 

 

Doug’s words: "we don’t want the QB to run. It’s a third option but we want him to either give it or get it out quick.”

 

 

Not Jalens fault though. Maybe part two they explain how they want the QB on an RPO to scramble and hold the ball for 3+ seconds. 

So ... the QB running is the "3rd option" on an RPO. What, then, is the first option? If you watch that play, there is no attempt to hand the ball to the RB --- not even a half-hearted play action --- none whatsoever. One could argue that once the free rusher committed, Hurts may have been able to run it in himself, but why did our running QB, not take the running lane if this truly was a textbook RPO? 

[LeanMeanGM]

45 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

So ... the QB running is the "3rd option" on an RPO. What, then, is the first option? If you watch that play, there is no attempt to hand the ball to the RB --- not even a half-hearted play action --- none whatsoever. One could argue that once the free rusher committed, Hurts may have been able to run it in himself, but why did our running QB, not take the running lane if this truly was a textbook RPO? 

Because he’s ass with RPO’s, why they scaled them back as the season went on.

Either he read pass, and screwed it by holding it too long. Or he chose to keep it and run himself, and screwed it up by holding it too long to ultimately pass it. 

Even if it wasn’t a textbook RPO the fundamentals remain the same. The o-like is run blocking. You cannot hold the ball for 3+ seconds in that scenario.

For whatever reason, the thing you can’t wrap your head around is the play could have failed because the routes sucked, or the play call sucked. But the literal cause of the penalty is because he didn’t get the ball off in time. The penalty is his fault. 

[olsilverhair]

2 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

So ... the QB running is the "3rd option" on an RPO. What, then, is the first option? If you watch that play, there is no attempt to hand the ball to the RB --- not even a half-hearted play action --- none whatsoever. One could argue that once the free rusher committed, Hurts may have been able to run it in himself, but why did our running QB, not take the running lane if this truly was a textbook RPO? 

you ever thought about doing stand up, maybe a stand up routine in LA, brah

[ManchesterEagle]

Lol at all this Jalen hate. He’s getting paid nothing and he’s already a 15-20 starter. If he takes a step up, the Eagles have a legitimate Super Bowl chance with a roster they have been able to assemble because they aren’t paying a QB 40 million. If he doesn’t they move on next year.

Get behind him - the Eagles have a great chance if he improves. If not, you’ll get your wish.

[Vileborg]

16 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Lol at all this Jalen hate. He’s getting paid nothing and he’s already a 15-20 starter. If he takes a step up, the Eagles have a legitimate Super Bowl chance with a roster they have been able to assemble because they aren’t paying a QB 40 million. If he doesn’t they move on next year.

Get behind him - the Eagles have a great chance if he improves. If not, you’ll get your wish.

I'm hoping he takes a huge step forward this year and then we trade him for a slew of picks. Carson Strong era inc...

 

I kid, I hear he's working on his accuracy. He still has a lot to learn and improve upon but being accurate is at least workable.

[Vileborg]

18 hours ago, jsb235 said:

Imagine watching this video and thinking:

A. There is a "hot read"

and 

B. The play is designed to go to Gainwell.

Here's what is happening. The play is pretty basic. There's 14 seconds left and the Eagles have a first down with one timeout. Is this a read option like some have suggested? No. You don't run read option here. The play is simply get the ball to the H back and let the receiver set a natural pick so the back can get to the pylon. And if you watch the video, everything is perfect. The qb is ready to throw and Smith pauses at the goaline to set the pick. What is not perfect, as the screenshot clearly shows, is that the H back has run a poor route. He should be ready to catch the ball at this point, but instead all Hurts sees is his numbers.

Now we roll the tape to see when the H back turns for the ball.

This play is now dead in the water. The timing is completely off. The pick is no longer viable since the DB is past Smith. If the H back had the ball right now, which he was supposed to, Smith is in perfect position to occupy two defenders. But the ball wasn't thrown because the H back wasn't ready for it. Look at where the blockers are. In the first screenshot, they are legal. Now they are downfield.

Also, lol at Gainwell being the primary receiving on this play. Why would Hurts be looking right at the receiver in the flat if he wasn't supposed to get the ball?

How does anyone watch this and think "Boy, the qb really screwed this up by not throwing it into the back of his intended target" when it is so painfully obvious what was supposed to happen and why it didn't.   

This is where we ding him for the anticipation throw. The ball should be hitting the runners hands now so he can turn up field.

[Bwestbrook36]

22 minutes ago, Vileborg said:

This is where we ding him for the anticipation throw. The ball should be hitting the runners hands now so he can turn up field.

And that's stuff that's between the ears. None of this hard work matters if he still can't process the information faster and make the correct read. Knowing where to go with the ball and when is a big part of accuracy and again if he can't process that info the hard work on his mechanics won't matter. 

[Eaglesfandan]

1 hour ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Lol at all this Jalen hate. He’s getting paid nothing and he’s already a 15-20 starter. If he takes a step up, the Eagles have a legitimate Super Bowl chance with a roster they have been able to assemble because they aren’t paying a QB 40 million. If he doesn’t they move on next year.

Get behind him - the Eagles have a great chance if he improves. If not, you’ll get your wish.

[Vileborg]

12 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

And that's stuff that's between the ears. None of this hard work matters if he still can't process the information faster and make the correct read. Knowing where to go with the ball and when is a big part of accuracy and again if he can't process that info the hard work on his mechanics won't matter. 

It is why I've advocated for pulling the plug. The accuracy will help but ultimately there are still years of development. He still needs to be able to read defenses, be aware and able to make anticipation throws, and we haven't even gotten into the real chess match. Then there is the clutch factor. Does he show up in the big games. You can win without a clutch QB but it's much more difficult and requires an extreme talent advantage.

We're entering year 3 and there are still a lot of questions. It'll be interesting with a QB on the roster that already is capable of everything above at a very high level.

[UK_EaglesFan89]

8 minutes ago, Vileborg said:

We're entering year 3 and there are still a lot of questions. It'll be interesting with a QB on the roster that already is capable of everything above at a very high level.

Look I don't know if Hurts is going to be the answer or not. There's a very good chance that he's not. And yes technically we are entering year 3 but really it's year 2. It's year 2 as a starter. It's year 2 where he's getting the first team reps in TC.

[brkmsn]

2 hours ago, Vileborg said:

We're entering year 3 and there are still a lot of questions. It'll be interesting with a QB on the roster that already is capable of everything above at a very high level.

Who is that guy? It is my opinion that you have to be patient with virtually every young QB you try to build around. All you can do is hope that he becomes that guy. If it doesn't work out, you start again from scratch. 

[Bwestbrook36]

19 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Look I don't know if Hurts is going to be the answer or not. There's a very good chance that he's not. And yes technically we are entering year 3 but really it's year 2. It's year 2 as a starter. It's year 2 where he's getting the first team reps in TC.

His 3rd rookie year? Dude will be retired and it still won't count as his official rookie year. 

[Diehardfan]

On 5/26/2022 at 3:44 PM, downundermike said:

First play is football 101, when you have a free rusher, find your hot read.  I have highlighted that hot read, and Hurts is looking right at him.  Ball should be out now.

Watching the play again, they intentionally turned the DE loose, and as Gainwell comes underneath he is clapping his hands for Hurts to throw him the ball, problem is Hurts takes to long to diagnose and the ball is thrown to late.  Ball should have been on Gainwell as soon as he is clapping for it, that is when the offensive line is releasing to the endzone, as they also expect the ball to be out.

 

You expect a QB to throw to an open guy?

[Diehardfan]

17 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Who is that guy? It is my opinion that you have to be patient with virtually every young QB you try to build around. All you can do is hope that he becomes that guy. If it doesn't work out, you start again from scratch. 

Or....we throw his ass out the door. The Stash was with the team for half a season and came in throwing the ball like a real QB making quick decisions and running the offense. Stop with the freaking patience BS.

[UK_EaglesFan89]

2 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

His 3rd rookie year? Dude will be retired and it still won't count as his official rookie year. 

Absolutely. He's a rookie until he shows he's the man long term... 😉

[Swoop]

2 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Or....we throw his ass out the door. The Stash was with the team for half a season and came in throwing the ball like a real QB making quick decisions and running the offense. Stop with the freaking patience BS.

Stop it. Minshew is proven at this point. He is what he is. Hurts still has some room for growth. 

You know, based on the whopping three additional starts Minshew has. 

Logic!

[brkmsn]

3 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Or....we throw his ass out the door. The Stash was with the team for half a season and came in throwing the ball like a real QB making quick decisions and running the offense. Stop with the freaking patience BS.

You guys do remember that Minshew had a 2nd start last season against a team that wasn't the Jets, right?

"Stop with the freaking patience BS?" You're only option there was traded to Denver. 

[Iggles_Phan]

3 hours ago, brkmsn said:

You guys do remember that Minshew had a 2nd start last season against a team that wasn't the Jets, right?

"Stop with the freaking patience BS?" You're only option there was traded to Denver. 

Who played in that game past the first 5 minutes?

[Alphagrand]

On 5/27/2022 at 2:41 PM, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Look I don't know if Hurts is going to be the answer or not. There's a very good chance that he's not. And yes technically we are entering year 3 but really it's year 2. It's year 2 as a starter. It's year 2 where he's getting the first team reps in TC.

There’s no "technically” about it.  He’s entering Year 3 and his contract says he’s going into Year 3, with no 5th year option.  That means Hurts will be demanding a huge contract extension after this season.  
 

Players don’t wait until their contracts expire before demanding more money.  Next year at this time we will be discussing Hurts (and his camp) not attending OTAs, whether or not he’ll be a no-show for training camp unless he gets a $40M AAV contract in his pocket.

There’s very little time to make a decision on Hurts; it’s now or never for him.

[Diehardfan]

3 hours ago, brkmsn said:

You guys do remember that Minshew had a 2nd start last season against a team that wasn't the Jets, right?

"Stop with the freaking patience BS?" You're only option there was traded to Denver. 

Minshew is a backup...and a better one than Hurts.

[brkmsn]

32 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Minshew is a backup...and a better one than Hurts.

That's fine since Hurts is the better starter. 

[Diehardfan]

39 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

That's fine since Hurts is the better starter. 

Cute, point is Hurts isn't as good as him. He will be playing when Hurts is done in the league. 

[RememberTheKoy]

41 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Cute, point is Hurts isn't as good as him. He will be playing when Hurts is done in the league. 

 

Jalen Hurts will be a starting QB in this league for quite some time.  The journey will continue too though for Journeyman Backup Gardner Minshew.