6 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Lol youre delusional. It took him to be on those guys’ level Crosby missing 121 games, Kane missing half a season of games just to be just slightly ahead of them. Convenient you don’t mention that when you say he finished ahead of them. Meanwhile points per game he was still behind Crosby during that time  

let me re-iterate what my original point was in Crosby, ovechkin and Kane’s primes he was not close to their levels in his prime  

Crosby 5 best year window: 509 points 

Kane best 5 year window: 465 points 

ovechkin best 5 year window: 529 points 

Giroux best five year window: 386 points 

Yeah Giroux really close to those guys in their prime years vs. his prime years.... mathematically that’s 79 points, 123 points and 143 points he was behind them  

we can go a step further. Let’s just use the 5 best years of each of their careers

kane: 477 points  (missed double digits games) and 1.21 points per game

crosby: 538 points (missed double digit games) and 1.35 points per game

ovechkin: 529 (missed double digit games) and 1.34 points per game

giroux: 442 points (missed 5 games) and 1.09 points per game 

so the only one he’s close to is Kane and it’s a 35 point difference. if Kane played those games it’s likely a larger gap. The other two he’s 96 points and 87 and they played less games then Giroux. That’s why those guys ovechkin and Crosby were superstars in their primes and he’s a star  

there’s more. let’s go to Giroux’s first full season in the league 13 years ago. Guess who are the top 3 point getters are? You guessed it ovechkin, Crosby and Kane. Crosby played 100 less games then Giroux and nearly everyone and has the most. Crosby (791 games) 987 points, ovechkin (924 games) 985 points and Kane (914 games) 984 points. Meanwhile Giroux sits 8th at 829 points (904 games). So yes those guys I’d consider better. Even if you did the 2010s guess who the top 3 guys are? Kane, Crosby and ovechkin. Giroux is 4th by played way more games then Crosby and half a season more than Kane  

again you are the flyers fan that thinks prime Giroux was on their level when they were at their peaks. And he only was when those guys had down type of years due to injuries besides ovechkin who was still scoring 50 goals. Wow impressive when those guys were at their peaks for a 5 year stretch against Giroux best five year stretches they way eclipsed Giroux’s best numbers (386) by 79, 100+ Points and 100+ points

Where did i say above average? I said he was a star/very good just not a superstar like those guys. I know cause it’s right there in the first paragraph you quoted me. Conveniently you decide to make the narrative i said he was above average. Legitimate i wrote very good and I’d say a star in the first quoted you used 

In your mind he’s apparently a superstar but we use the excuse it’s everyone else’s fault for him not performing in the postseason since 2012. Interesting so he’s a superstar thats underperforms cause of everyone else. There’s the possibility that better talented players early and not having the pressure of being THE GUY helped him more than you think in those runs. Not being the top line or the guy yet definitely helped cause when he became THE GUY and the captain he has yet to come close to those numbers. And it’s not a small dip in numbers. These are dramatically big dropoff. before becoming captain in January 2013 played 50 playoff games had 56 points. Since becoming captain 18 points in 35 games. But i forgot it’s everyyyyyyyone else But Giroux for that. Naw some of this is directly on Giroux 

I just gave you a ton of stats proving hes overall not on their level in his and their primes.  yet you still ignore it all cause a 5 year stretch due to circumstances of injuries for two of those guys. Maybe it’s you, not everyone else who says he was very good/star just not Crosby, ovechkin and even Kane in their primes. I’m betting you probably think Giroux is which is laughable. I’m sorry Giroux is a star/very good player but in his prime he wasn’t what Crosby, ovechkin and Kane were in their primes (5 year windows you like to talk about they blow his numbers out of the water). 

In his prime HE WAS AS GOOD AS THOSE GUYS. You are literally saying they were the only players better than him during that time right after you said he was never on that level. Pick a side guy.

Between 2011 and like 2019 the only two players with more points were crosby and kane. But all you care about is goals so I guess that's irrelevant. The guy had 100 points two seasons ago and you act like he's some mid tier player.

17 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I'm also a Ph.D. economist with 3 academic books, peer reviewed papers, management consulting reports, valuation studies and working papers to my credit.

 

Let’s all post our CV to our profiles.  

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Let’s all post our CV to our profiles.  

You challenged me, I responded. If you didn't like the answer, think twice before you insult someone.

36 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yep.  And I shouldn’t have.  Since those idiots will just go on all night.  
 

You sure do love to follow me around.  Get a life.  

lol 35k post guy telling another poster to get a life.  love it

Me every time afan and e45 quote each other:

9 minutes ago, austinfan said:

You challenged me, I responded. If you didn't like the answer, think twice before you insult someone.

he was right. and you were the first to try to insult people with your comment, stating they were not qualified to have a discussion about a particular topic. Then you posted a bunch of meaningless accomplishments that no one cares about on a football message board. Where do you think you are? Who do you think your audience is? You need to give yourself a reality check.

4 hours ago, devpool said:

In his prime HE WAS AS GOOD AS THOSE GUYS. You are literally saying they were the only players better than him during that time right after you said he was never on that level. Pick a side guy.

Between 2011 and like 2019 the only two players with more points were crosby and kane. But all you care about is goals so I guess that's irrelevant. The guy had 100 points two seasons ago and you act like he's some mid tier player.

 

since we are choosing arbitrary years from 2009-2018. Giroux was 735 points. Crosby who missed a ton of games 822 points. Ovechkin 812 points. Kane 795 points. And Kane missed more games otherwise it would also be higher  

More stats 10 best seasons for Giroux, kane, ovechkin and Crosby:

crosby: 985 points (played 796 games) 1.24 points per game 

ovechkin: 950 points (797 games) 1.19 points per game 

kane: 837 points (783 games) 1.07 points per game

giroux: 741 points (797 games) .93 points per game

Yup clearly he was as good as those guys in that ten year prime window. So Know it’s 5 and 10 of their best years says he wasn’t as good in his prime as those guys were  

literally I just gave you stats on his best five year stretch and of those guys in their best five year stretch. He was not close. I gave you the best five years for Giroux and the best five years of those guys he still behind them and he wasn’t close to Ovechkin and Crosby. and best 10 years of all of their careers. Wasn’t that close.

Please let me know when Giroux wins a hart trophy, conn smythe trophy,  ross and Lindsay trophy. Cause those guys have won at least one if not multiple of those awards. Yet Giroux in his prime NEVER did  

let’s just talk about playoffs for a second. Just so you know since Giroux became the captain has 18 points in 35 playoff games. Voracek has 17 in 30 games. So voracek not as good as G is 1 point behind in 5 less games. But superstar! 

It’s becoming obvious you don’t read. Literally I said he was a star and a very good player. No he is not a superstar.  I have said this now 4 times. Again you make a narrative we said he was just a mid-tier player. NO we said in his prime he wasn’t as good as Crosby, ovechkin or kane in their primes. 

im done with the convo. 

hockey sucks

24 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You think Giroux was as good as Crosby or Kane?  Man, you’re a bigger Pom Pom fanboy than I thought you were.  I hate Crosby as much as the next guy.    But get a clue.  LOL.  

It’s also ovechkin.

Ovechkin’s 5 best seasons he had 529 points. Giroux had 442 and played 12 more games then ovechkin.

Furthermore ovechkin’s best 5 year stretch and best 5 seasons he averaged 106 points.

Giroux averaged in his best 5 year stretch 78 points. And his best 5 seasons 88 points. 

how does that tell me he was as good in his prime as ovechkin when ovechkin obliterates his five best consecutive seasons in a row in his prime. nearly 20 points better on average when comparing their 5 best seasons 

Let’s just do it since Giroux became a full time flyer 13 years ago. 

Crosby 987 points 

Ovechkin 985 points 

kane 984 points 

Giroux 829  points  

 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It’s also ovechkin.

Ovechkin’s 5 best seasons he had 529 points. Giroux had 442 and played 12 more games then ovechkin.

Furthermore ovechkin’s best 5 year stretch and best 5 seasons he averaged 106 points.

Giroux averaged in his best 5 year stretch 78 points. And his best 5 seasons 88 points. 

who?

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

who?

Lol

Agreed. 

Jones is a high end backup/low end starter to me. 

11 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

hockey sucks

13 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah 35k in 15 years.  Yeah wow.  You got me there.   You’re obsessed.  Kinda creepy.  Weirdo.  

Your ego is out of control to think you matter enough for anyone to be "obsessed" with you

Just now, ManuManu said:

Agreed. 

which is not something you can say about Lawrence when you watch those other players on his team. 

A couple weeks ago I thought maybe we would take Mac Jones in round 2. This week hes getting tons of buzz.... 

I dont know if hes gonna be a great player or not. But I feel like people just dont like him because he looks out of shape. I think his ability is being vastly underrated. 

If they take him, Im fine with it.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

thats better 

3 hours ago, jwill2420 said:

Guys here’s some interesting vid of Patrick SurtainII VS Kyle Pitts and Grimes of Florida. 
 

It’s only like 5-6 plays but Pitts beats him on the slant and the go route (bad pass by Trask). 
 

Also the TD given up by Surtain is a head scratcher. He’s in position but does nothing. I don’t see Surtain worth a 6th pick 

 

Almost perfect mirroring and three PBUs yet you focus on the one misplay by Surtain where his coverage was excellent but he played himself out of the tackle.  I like Farley more but Surtain should also be a top ten pick.  

5 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Jones is a high end backup/low end starter to me. 

Maybe. I don’t feel strongly one way or the other about him, but he is accurate as hell. 

It has to be incredibly difficult to scout a college QB.  Some of them, like Mac Jones, have FBS stars at almost every position, so that would clearly make their job much..much.. easier.

Then you have a guy like.........  <insert QB from garbage D1 school here>...... that LOOKS to be a player.. maybe... but has been throwing to garbage WR's and stood behind a garbage O-Line all year... 

What would QB 2 look like with QB 1's protection and skill players?  

Or.. What would Mac Jones look like he if played for Middle Iowa State Tech?  

I wouldnt want the job of the guy having to figure that out.  

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

which is not something you can say about Lawrence when you watch those other players on his team. 

A couple weeks ago I thought maybe we would take Mac Jones in round 2. This week hes getting tons of buzz.... 

I dont know if hes gonna be a great player or not. But I feel like people just dont like him because he looks out of shape. I think his ability is being vastly underrated. 

If they take him, Im fine with it.

He definitely needs to cut the baby fat. It might help his mobility a bit too. 

1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

PFF Draft

 

 

Paddy Fisher in his career at Northwestern:

 

1,666 coverage snaps

1 TD allowed 

 

Damn, before I looked up Paddy Fisher, I got my hopes up about a white NFL CB. WHEN WILL BE THE DAY

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Maybe. I don’t feel strongly one way or the other about him, but he is accurate as hell. 

He was really good this year. I think taking that leap will be tough for him though. Everything is done at a faster speed in the NFL, and his lack of athleticism and average at best arm strength are hard for me to look past. I'm not a Mac Jones hater though. He impressed me a bunch this season. There is a path to NFL success for him.

Just now, ManuManu said:

Maybe. I don’t feel strongly one way or the other about him, but he is accurate as hell. 

I hope they check him out in depth. What kind of a teammate he is etc...it is just anecdotal...but! My daughter just graduated from Alabama and has nothing but bad things to say about him from a personal stand point...she has some second hand connections to the team but she says his reputation is pretty well known...

2 minutes ago, What The F said:

It has to be incredibly difficult to scout a college QB.  Some of them, like Mac Jones, have FBS stars at almost every position, so that would clearly make their job much..much.. easier.

Then you have a guy like.........  <insert QB from garbage D1 school here>...... that LOOKS to be a player.. maybe... but has been throwing to garbage WR's and stood behind a garbage O-Line all year... 

What would QB 2 look like with QB 1's protection and skill players?  

Or.. What would Mac Jones look like he if played for Middle Iowa State Tech?  

I wouldnt want the job of the guy having to figure that out.  

I gave up on trying to project QBs when Josh Allen became a star. That dude looked like straight doodoo his final year in college.