25 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Welp. I’m out in round 2. Probably round 3 too. 

Yeah dropped him to the 3rd on my board

6 hours ago, WentzFan11 said:

Also, we can’t pretend like Covid isn’t involved when it comes to the cap. A lot of teams were screwed over. 

The cap situation was screwed up BEFORE Covid.  The bad contract they gave to Slay was AFTER COVID had already disrupted all 3 of the other sports and shut down the NCAA bball tourney.

 

Not to mention that whether Covid screwed up the cap or not, the Eagles were tied for 30th for the WORST cap situation in the league regardless of Covid.  So all Covid did was exacerbate the bad situation, it in no way caused it.    Hiding behind Covid is sad and pathetic.  It was a level playing field... everyone was affected as the salary cap went down for every team the same way, and the result was that the Eagles who were in a BAD situation pre-Covid, ended up in a HORRIBLE situation post-Covid.   I will remind you that quite a few people, including me, were pointing to the cap issue long before Covid came along.  And were rebuffed by the Howie knows what he's doing retort.   And yes, he does... he kicks the can to the future, just like a shopaholic rolling their CC debt to a new card... it's a never ending cycle of mortgaging the future.  

2 hours ago, greend said:

Turkey Hill Post of the Day winners

 

greend -1

@justrelax - 0

@Iggles_Phan - 0

 

 

 

ouch.   I must raise my game.

 

A few UCF prospects had a good day

Official results from @UCF_Football pro-day Part II: CB Tay Gowan

HT 6007

WT 186

Hand 8 1/2

Arm 31 1/8

Wing 75 1/4

40-yd 4.44/4.44

VJ 35.5

BJ 9-10

SS 4.25

3C 6.88

 

 

31 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yes, "in no way".  Its the GM's job to  say "no" to bad contracts, and bad trades.   That's why the GM is the HC's boss.  

 

The idea that the GM isn't 100% responsible is ridiculous.  That's the job description.  The HC is 100% responsible for what happens on the field.  The GM is 100% responsible for the roster construction and salary cap.  Yes, he is getting input from many different sides, but its his call and he has the final decision.  That's how the cookie crumbles.  He was happy to take all the credit in 2017 when everything was roses, well, the flip side to that is to take the blame when it turns to manure.    Personally, I think the best management style is to take the heat when things go poorly, and then to pass the credit on to others when it goes well.  That's called 'leadership'.   Leaders shoulder the blame, but share the credit.  Leaders do not shirk responsibility.   

 

But, we all heard Lurie cover for Howie's failed draft picks when he described the process as good, because they identified the right players, but they just went before the Eagles could pick.   What a stupid defense.  It would have been a much better answer if he said that they were addressing how things worked in the last few years as their draft picks didn't work out the way that they had hoped.  Instead he talked about how they have 5 future GMs in the front office with Howie, and how their process is working well.   That's either disingenuous, or it's delusional.  

I wish I could like this post more than once.

Howie is absolutely culpable for the mess that is the roster and cap.

And Lurie excusing howie in the way he did is as you say stupid.

It's worrisome that the owner and his hand picked GM the two positions that ultimately have the most say in the direction of the franchise seem to be taking turns sniffing each other's paint

With the height and weight of Bateman being much less than expected any chance he falls closer to 37 where we have shot of moving up for him?

 

I would take Marshall over Bateman 

3 hours ago, Utebird said:

Desean, not mccoy I think he's a turd 

Life is better when you realize everyone is a turd.  

36 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

ouch.   I must raise my game.

I think the point is you guys are much better posters than me. 

On a side note guess who contracted corona literally 3 days before I'm supposed to go on a hog hunt?

2 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

I would take Marshall over Bateman 

Same. Marshall is so smooth. 
I get Tyrell Williams vibes from him.

Well, if Brandon Graham ever reads this he can be sure of one thing.

Where once he was Graham's draft day bete noire, Earl Thomas is a distant memory for Eagles fans.  How times change eh?

19 minutes ago, greend said:

I think the point is you guys are much better posters than me. 

On a side note guess who contracted corona literally 3 days before I'm supposed to go on a hog hunt?

You give yourself too little credit.   

 

Also, that sucks.   I thought you were vaccinated... ??? 

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You give yourself too little credit.   

 

Also, that sucks.   I thought you were vaccinated... ??? 

I am fully vaccinated, today I was told by my Doc that he's had several cases test positive after the test. He said that sometimes the vaccine only lessens the symptoms. It is what it is. The timing sucks though. Only hope is that my "symptoms" started last Thursday so I could be clear of quarantine by Sunday night if completely symptom free. The outfitter would have to okay it. And I'm not going to lie to go.

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

As many here have pointed out??? where's this legion you speak of.

Stop trying to manufacture consent and stand on your own arguments.

Using two WRs on a super bowl team compared to dunlap who never even sniffed a super bowl doesn't add up.

It's amusing to see the lengths at which others will go to to try and minimize grahams impact in the same breath they criticize the ways other use valid arguments to justify his worth.

I wouldn't say graham is overrated or under rated I'd say he's rated.

I know that at the end of their careers dunlap will go down as a serviceable DE who made a couple pro bowls and never really was on a team with a lot of success he'll be forgotten in 10 years 

Same with griffin and hughes.

Meanwhile graham will always be remembered as the guy that stripped the goat qb to secure the eagles first and only super bowl.

20 years from now eagles fans will know brandon graham and appreciate him where as 20 years from now most Bengals and vikings fans will have long forgotten griffin and dunlap.

Are dunlap and Griffen better players, maybe, did they end up doing more for their teams success than graham debatable, did either make a huge okay in the biggest game of their careers and franchise? Nope.

Only eagles fans would twist themselves into pretzels justifying their arguments as to why a super bowl hero sucks.🤔

You've never read a single poster other than myself mention that Graham and his pressures are overrated by the fanbase? You must be relatively new here. You haven't seen anyone else mention that Graham's strip sack doesnt equate to him being a better player? Maybe "many" was a strong word. 

I used the two of them because it's the same, stupid argument that you're making. You literally said that Graham "does more to help his team win" and using the same logic, Holmes did more to help his team win a SB so by your standards that would mean he's better. You want to dismiss it because it points out how foolish your argument is.

Graham will be remembered because he had a big play in a Super Bowl. That's likely true. David Tyree is remembered for the same thing, not sure that would equate to him being a great WR and better than his peers.

My very first post the first words I typed out were that I like Graham. I'm also thankful for the strip sack. Not once did I say he sucks. I believe he's overrated by the fanbase. When you have to depend on things like "pressures, he has a good attitude, does more to win (with no factual evidence to support this)" as a base for your argument, the guy is overrated. Still a good player, just not this amazing DE that some like to paint him as.

5 minutes ago, greend said:

I am fully vaccinated, today I was told by my Doc that he's had several cases test positive after the test. He said that sometimes the vaccine only lessens the symptoms. It is what it is. The timing sucks though. Only hope is that my "symptoms" started last Thursday so I could be clear of quarantine by Sunday night if completely symptom free. The outfitter would have to okay it. And I'm not going to lie to go.

I have heard the same thing.   Praying for ya, brother.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

But, we all heard Lurie cover for Howie's failed draft picks when he described the process as good, because they identified the right players, but they just went before the Eagles could pick.   What a stupid defense.  It would have been a much better answer if he said that they were addressing how things worked in the last few years as their draft picks didn't work out the way that they had hoped.  Instead he talked about how they have 5 future GMs in the front office with Howie, and how their process is working well.   That's either disingenuous, or it's delusional.  

He wasn't defending Howie, he was defending the personnel group - the scouts were making good evaluations - that's what he meant by identifying the right players.

Just because you get lucky one year with your picks, doesn't mean your personnel group are doing a good job if they're mis-evaluating the majority of top players.

You should go back and review their evaluations of all the players (not just the ones you picked) against how those players eventually turned out as a check.

For example, there are five QBs at the top of this draft, if the scouts say correctly evaluate 4 of the 5, they're doing a good job (even the best group will have misses). If they only identity two hits/misses and are totally wrong on the other three, you're not going to feel comfortable drafting a QB in the future.

26 minutes ago, greend said:

I think the point is you guys are much better posters than me. 

On a side note guess who contracted corona literally 3 days before I'm supposed to go on a hog hunt?

Man that stinks - Sorry to hear and I hope you're OK.  

32 minutes ago, greend said:

I am fully vaccinated, today I was told by my Doc that he's had several cases test positive after the test. He said that sometimes the vaccine only lessens the symptoms. It is what it is. The timing sucks though. Only hope is that my "symptoms" started last Thursday so I could be clear of quarantine by Sunday night if completely symptom free. The outfitter would have to okay it. And I'm not going to lie to go.

Fingers crossed that you're symptom free Sunday.  

That virus sucks , I had it , and I was down for almost a month , lost  16 pounds , had every symptom you could possibly get .

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yes, "in no way".  Its the GM's job to  say "no" to bad contracts, and bad trades.   That's why the GM is the HC's boss.  

 

The idea that the GM isn't 100% responsible is ridiculous.  That's the job description.  The HC is 100% responsible for what happens on the field.  The GM is 100% responsible for the roster construction and salary cap.  Yes, he is getting input from many different sides, but its his call and he has the final decision.  That's how the cookie crumbles.  He was happy to take all the credit in 2017 when everything was roses, well, the flip side to that is to take the blame when it turns to manure.    Personally, I think the best management style is to take the heat when things go poorly, and then to pass the credit on to others when it goes well.  That's called 'leadership'.   Leaders shoulder the blame, but share the credit.  Leaders do not shirk responsibility.   

 

But, we all heard Lurie cover for Howie's failed draft picks when he described the process as good, because they identified the right players, but they just went before the Eagles could pick.   What a stupid defense.  It would have been a much better answer if he said that they were addressing how things worked in the last few years as their draft picks didn't work out the way that they had hoped.  Instead he talked about how they have 5 future GMs in the front office with Howie, and how their process is working well.   That's either disingenuous, or it's delusional.  

This is a very naive interpretation of how things work. The owner has a say. The coaches have a say. Ultimately you have to have a strategy that works for the coach’s vision.

That’s one of the reasons Doug is gone. He wanted to keep kicking the can down the road for one more shot at a ring, and finally the owner said no. Lurie even said as much in the news conference.

53 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I have heard the same thing.   Praying for ya, brother.

Thank you. I greatly appreciate it.

29 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Man that stinks - Sorry to hear and I hope you're OK.  

Thank you my friend. 

8 hours ago, Utebird said:

I just don't trust Howie to know what to do with any of the picks no matter where they are.

Seems Howie knows how to play the value game and work a draft and move up and down and he definitely has the fire power with the most draft picks to do so and still though he seems to know how to move evaluate point value in a draft he doesn't seem to know how to identify the talent associated with the point value of that draft slot.

Let Howie sink or swim and Lurie needs to just observe. I’m sure he’ll find a perceived good player if he can trade back about 10 spots while acquiring another roll or 2 of the dice. I’d prefer no OL in that part of the 1st, 2nd round and later of course

5 minutes ago, greend said:

Thank you. I greatly appreciate it.

Thank you my friend. 

I hope you feel better soon. 

Try the meatmcginley method of pretending you dont have it so that you dont feel it.

I said I wanted to see a high 4.5 , he ran a 4.51
 

 

Benjamin St-Juste

 

@Benj_Juice

 

 

Show me another DB at 6’3 200+ with a 3.96 shuttle and a 6.63 L drill

1 hour ago, Swoop said:

You've never read a single poster other than myself mention that Graham and his pressures are overrated by the fanbase? You must be relatively new here. You haven't seen anyone else mention that Graham's strip sack doesnt equate to him being a better player? Maybe "many" was a strong word. 

I used the two of them because it's the same, stupid argument that you're making. You literally said that Graham "does more to help his team win" and using the same logic, Holmes did more to help his team win a SB so by your standards that would mean he's better. You want to dismiss it because it points out how foolish your argument is.

Graham will be remembered because he had a big play in a Super Bowl. That's likely true. David Tyree is remembered for the same thing, not sure that would equate to him being a great WR and better than his peers.

My very first post the first words I typed out were that I like Graham. I'm also thankful for the strip sack. Not once did I say he sucks. I believe he's overrated by the fanbase. When you have to depend on things like "pressures, he has a good attitude, does more to win (with no factual evidence to support this)" as a base for your argument, the guy is overrated. Still a good player, just not this amazing DE that some like to paint him as.

People read what they want to read.  I make sure to add sarcastic disclaimers when discussing things like this.  My post, which I think started all of this, simply was stating that I didn't feel BG's overall career production didn't equal the value of what pick 13 should be.

Somehow it turned in to why don't I think BG is good?